Spirited News, Observations & Thoughts IV

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Goofyernmost

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Typical of every casino ever outside of places like Vegas. They're always just full of old people blowing away their life savings for hours on end. The most offensive thing to me about casinos is that they are just depressing.
Please keep in mind that the "old people" that you are referring too are blowing their life savings a penny or a nickle at a time. They didn't got old enough and affluent enough that they could spend time in casino's by being stupid. It's the youngin's that don't understand how the system works. They throw away tomorrows groceries in the hopes of hitting it big.
 

bhg469

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Hmmmm.... I was going to stay out of this gambling aspect of the thread but I saw a post that needed some follow up.



Okay lets take it one by one:
I think all I'm trying to figure out here is how exactly putting Marvel characters on slot machines is in any way equivalent to pushing gambling on children?

My response to this is a question. How was "Joe Camel", celebrity use ads, and similar advertising responsible for getting children to smoke? (Uh oh, I hear the din of the usual suspects taking this question to task.) The threat was so bad, the federal government and outside interest spent decades limiting speech to keep kids from smoking.

How exactly are these children in a place where they can even see the slot machines?

Walking through any big casino in Vegas, kids are walking with their parents on their way to everything. Aside from the actual lobby portion of any major Vegas property, restaurants, arcades, elevators, escalators, and restrooms are located amongst the many "wheels of chance." You can sit in a restaurant as a child and watch adults playing these games. Heck, you can see out of the arcade windows. At the Native-American casinos, visibility of these games are no different.

Don't think the previous paragraph is relevant? It's also not limited to casinos. Ever been to the Vegas airport? Slots and video are mixed in the terminals and adjacent to all waiting areas. In fact, if you have a couple of quarters in your pocket while waiting for your table at Macayo's, you can wager them in the waiting area. When getting a pack of gum at the Circle K, you can use your change on the video slot behind you.

Honest question.

Honest answers.

Sidenote: Any casino I've ever been to also has Wizard of Oz, Batman, and Star Wars slots... should we not be mad about these properties "pushing" gambling on children? Why only hold Disney to this strange standard?

I enjoy games of chance. Some people have objections. On a Disney oriented website and discussion board, you are going to find the conversations focused on Disney. There are probably people upset that those other entities have diluted their brand but again this site is mostly Disney. I am sure you can still find people upset by the "designated hitter". They just might not relate it to Disney here, but I digress.

Some people that have posted here are focusing on the "family friendly" image that many divisions of the company hon and craft. Those folks might have "moral" issues also. Companies and their leaders still take "moral" stands to their betterment or detriment such as Chick-Fil-A.

Other people here have clearly stated that this clear hypocrisy, especially in Florida, is the thing that concerns them. This can be for business reasons, (read: Preventing competition from casinos while still benefiting by licensing IP. ) or concerns from stockholders that the value might take a hit if someone really focuses on Disney's hand in the "gambling cookie jar". There have been a myriad of explanations for concerns expressed by individuals.

Sometimes I really think that there is a lot of grasping at straws to find things to pick at the Mouse over. All it really seems to do is drown out the bigger (more important) picture of things that are actually flawed in the company.

People find value in different things. I completely agree that there are HUGE issues with Disney theme park operations in the United States. The company also has made some errors in live action and animation decisions lately. Ultimately, it seems, most of the blame for The Walt Disney Company's issues is in management. That box of rocks will get tossed in the river soon enough. (Maybe not soon enough for me.)

Personally, I do not gamble much anymore. I have other diversions that consume my "play" money. I have no problem with what people want to spend their money on.

I do have a problem in any loss of "value" with any part of my investments in TWDC. If they can successfully navigate the PR issues that could be associated with the "gambling" issue, so be it. I would prefer they not grab any third rail.

I do think Disney should stay out of gambling for all the reasons folks have stated above. Most especially this one:




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I was being sarcastic and I don't ever gamble.. I guess you took that to be serious and I was referring to the cheapening of star wars.
 

1023

Provocateur, Rancanteur, Plaisanter, du Jour
I was being sarcastic and I don't ever gamble.. I guess you took that to be serious and I was referring to the cheapening of star wars.

Nope...I knew it was sarcastic. I was throwing in with your lot. I do have a sense of humor. (See post 7330...)

*1023*

EDITED: To provide post number.
 

ford91exploder

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The thing that makes me wonder though is that some of the people who post on this thread have nearly no or very few posts on other threads. And as soon as @WDW1974 posts something they come in to say that he is very wrong. There is disagreement and then there is posters whose only (or main) purpose on this site appears to be to jump on the threads started by @WDW1974. I think that's why he might come to the conclusion that there is another motivation for these posters than just an interest in discussion.


Perhaps that is because these threads are keyed to how long term Disney Addicts see the quality of the product declining rapidly and complaining here is the one of the things we can do about it in the hope that Disney corporate is reading and actually cares about what some of Disney's best customers say about Disney.
 

Tom Morrow

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Please keep in mind that the "old people" that you are referring too are blowing their life savings a penny or a nickle at a time. They didn't got old enough and affluent enough that they could spend time in casino's by being stupid. It's the youngin's that don't understand how the system works. They throw away tomorrows groceries in the hopes of hitting it big.
Some, but I see others inserting $100 after $100. Either way, I think the typical casino, at least the ones I have been in, are depressing in general.
 

Goofyernmost

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Some, but I see others inserting $100 after $100. Either way, I think the typical casino, at least the ones I have been in, are depressing in general.
Although the common consensus is that I am already old enough, you can bet that when I do reach the age when I think I won't outlive my money...I will be spending it like water and if I hit it big my children will get an inheritance, otherwise to bad, so sad! I earned it, I will be the one to spend it. I'll bet you are very happy that you are not one of my kids. Old people may spend hours sitting at the slots, but one of the last things they are would be big spenders. Those that use $100.00 are not afraid of losing it. There is a lot more where that came from. If you feel depressed it should be just because you don't have that kind of money to throw away on a losing game. :)
 

The Empress Lilly

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As a Star Wars and Disney fan I find this offensive.

Leaving the 'double standard' debate for what it is, I think TWDC does have another problem. Namely unwanted brand association. And owing to Iger's pearl necklace strategy*, spillover over from one franchise to the next.

Disney may only license Star Wars (Marvel etc) to slot machines but not Mickey. However, SW (Marvel etc) was brought into the Disney fold for the very reason that Disney can exploit franchises beter than anybody else because of its synergy. That is, SW and Mickey will share theme parks, vinylmation figures, Mickeys in Jedi costume, tv and radio stations, websites, movie distribution channels etc.

What goes on with the SW franchise, does spill over to other IP franchises. TWDC's IP franchise is like the Titanic. You may think you have isolated compartments that prevent spillover so your behemoth is unsinkable. But reality, and Disney's synergy policy, disagrees.


*acquistion of little pearls to string them to your necklace. Yes, actual business terminology.
 

crispy

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As a Star Wars and Disney fan I find this offensive.

Leaving the 'double standard' debate for what it is, I think TWDC does have another problem. Namely unwanted brand association. And owing to Iger's pearl necklace strategy*, spillover over from one franchise to the next.

Disney may only license Star Wars (Marvel etc) to slot machines but not Mickey. However, SW (Marvel etc) was brought into the Disney fold for the very reason that Disney can exploit franchises beter than anybody else because of its synergy. That is, SW and Mickey will share theme parks, vinylmation figures, Mickeys in Jedi costume, tv and radio stations, websites, movie distribution channels etc.

What goes on with the SW franchise, does spill over to other IP franchises. TWDC's IP franchise is like the Titanic. You may think you have isolated compartments that prevent spillover so your behemoth is unsinkable. But reality, and Disney's synergy policy, disagrees.


*acquistion of little pearls to string them to your necklace. Yes, actual business terminology.

Sorry, I couldn't read past the bolded.:eek::jawdrop:
 

ParentsOf4

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Good summary. Exactly what I was trying to say. I wonder how much of the low deluxe room occupancy problem is the result of cannibalization by DVC. We could already be seeing some of the negative impact of taking those short term gains.
When considering what's impacting Deluxe Resort occupancy rates, don't forget the astronomical room rates at WDW's Deluxe Resorts. WDW is set to cross a dubious milestone this year when the price of a Grand Floridian Theme Park View room breaks the $1000/night barrier for Christmas 2013. (Price: $1026/night with tax. :eek:) No suite, no concierge. Just a room with a pretty view of Cinderella Castle.

DVC certainly has cannibalized Deluxe Resort occupancy as well. It's a matter of numbers. WDW has about 5600 Deluxe Resort rooms and over 4300 DVC rooms. 10 years ago, WDW had less than 1800 DVC rooms. Those 2500+ additional DVC rooms are targeted directly at the Deluxe Resort market.

And people wonder why Deluxe Resort occupancy rates are down.

Disney better hurry up and get those empty rooms at the Poly converted to DVC. :rolleyes:
 
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RSoxNo1

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Also hearing some Anaheim pals tell me that show quality issues have risen 'greatly' since Michael Colglazier has taken over.
It may have been early in the run, but during the first week of August I didn't really see many show quality issues in Disneyland. Radiator Springs Racers for example was perfect every time. THe flame bursts in Indy weren't working during the first half of the trip but they were working in the second half. The biggest issue was the riverboat on Splash where there were several animatronics that were not working.
 

GoofGoof

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There are 5.5 Million points in BLT alone,

2.83 x 5,500,000 = 15,565,000 I'd say fifteen Million Five Hundred and Sixty Five Thousand Reasons is reason enough to play games

HouseKeeping 4,675,000 for 150 rooms!!!!, Come on the high average for room service for a top of line hotel is only $30/day and that includes robes, chocolates and turndown service

using the $30/day metric we come up with 1,645,000, Methinks the housekeeping budget is supporting ENTIRE RESORT.

I'm not trying to change your mind on this. You are entitled to your opinion, but your math is a little off. There are 428 rooms at BLT not 150 (14 3 bedroom grand villas, 148 dedicated 2 bedroom villas, 133 1 bedroom villas and 133 studios). Using your same $30 per day metric that comes to $4,686,600.
 

tirian

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Those room designations are suspicious. I once paid for an MK-view room at the Grand Flo, only to be stuck behind a tree. Then I booked a garden room and was placed behind the pump house for the main pool. Somebody didn't want me to have a good view!

When considering what's impacting Deluxe Resort occupancy rates, don't forget the astronomical room rates at WDW's Deluxe Resorts. WDW is set to cross a dubious milestone this year when the price of a Grand Floridian Theme Park View room breaks the $1000/night barrier for Christmas 2013. (Price: $1026/night with tax. :eek:) No suite, no concierge. Just a room with a pretty view of Cinderella Castle.

DVC certainly has cannibalized Deluxe Resort occupancy as well. It's a matter of numbers. WDW has about 5600 Deluxe Resort rooms and over 4300 DVC rooms. 10 years ago, WDW had less than 1800 DVC rooms. Those 2500+ additional DVC rooms are targeted directly at the Deluxe Resort market.

And people wonder why Deluxe Resort occupancy rates are down.

Disney better hurry up and get those empty rooms at the Poly converted to DVC. :rolleyes:
 

ThemeParkJunkee

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I appreciate the discussion on DVC (even though I already decided against it). I just sold a vacation home in the Caribbean and though I could use some (not much really) of the money for 120 points in DVC (plenty for when I go). I chose not to for other reasons but now this message board has given me many more reasons not to. Thanks posters. You are awesome.

Also, it is really hard to keep up with the topics on this thread but I am doing my best. I am now taking classes. I try to read every post because you are all so interesting!

Thanks to WDW1974 for starting it. Thanks to all of you whose posts I "liked". Thanks wdwmagic for allowing this thread to continue.
 
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