Spirited News, Observations & Thoughts IV

[ford91exploder]

If that's the case then I foresee FP+ fading into obscurity until 10 or 20 years later when they will finally put the stupid thing out of it's misery. I am hoping this will be the case but there is a part of me that thinks that people are less critical as consumers now then they were then and will purchase anything, even total crap based only on a brand. Also, the sentiment these days seems to be let big business do what it wants and try not to get involved regardless of the stakes thus you have a situation that deteriorates like what happened in 2008 and then they come crying for bailout money and the government hands it to them without question then they proceed to cry foul any time Regulators check to make sure OUR money is being invested wisely and complain about "Government Socialists" and act like they never wanted their bailout money to begin with. It's a dangerous cycle when we let our institutions operate without any risk or fear of punishment. There are several people who should be in prison right now who are instead living luxuriously and that makes me angry.

Trouble is we do have 'over-regulation' Big Business invests in regulation to raise barriers to entry for small business, while crying crocodile tears about regulation harming their business,

Case in point OSHA is stomping around up here with a colorimeter making sure OSHA yellow is 'really' OSHA yellow and hitting small shops with big fines, With a big business with battalions of lawyers can battle this well it was painted on blah which is before the pantone specs changed so it really doesnt matter, The little guy takes a huge hit.

Our present system is 'regulatory capitalism' where investing in laws and regulations is more profitable than investing in creating goods and services

 

[HMF]

Trouble is we do have 'over-regulation' Big Business invests in regulation to raise barriers to entry for small business, while crying crocodile tears about regulation harming their business,

Case in point OSHA is stomping around up here with a colorimeter making sure OSHA yellow is 'really' OSHA yellow and hitting small shops with big fines, With a big business with battalions of lawyers can battle this well it was painted on blah which is before the pantone specs changed so it really doesnt matter, The little guy takes a huge hit.

Our present system is 'regulatory capitalism' where investing in laws and regulations is more profitable than investing in creating goods and services

Agreed, Too many people in power have close ties to corporate entities. Heck, Our treasury Department is basically the Goldman-Sachs Alumni Club.

 

[71jason]

Personally, I don't think they ever took out New Coke...I think they just said they did and the public was too stubborn to admit that they really couldn't tell the difference. I hate Coke so, they could easily play that slide of hand on me, and I would have bought it as true.

There is a conspiracy theory out there that the switch from old to new was made solely to disguise a switch from cane sugar to corn syrup--the latter, of course, remained afterward. I don't really buy it, but it's out there.

 

[muteki]

There is a conspiracy theory out there that the switch from old to new was made solely to disguise a switch from cane sugar to corn syrup--the latter, of course, remained afterward. I don't really buy it, but it's out there.

That's hilarious, I never thought of that. I can't really stand coke that much, but luckily I can still find the stuff with real sugar and glass bottles at the store

 

[stevehousse]

That's hilarious, I never thought of that. I can't really stand coke that much, but luckily I can still find the stuff with real sugar and glass bottles at the store

Mexican Coke is the best!!!

 

[scpergj]

New Coke was extensively tested to ensure that it would end the Pepsi Challenge. The company lost too much money and good will for it to be planned. The then CEO even had to go through the grueling process of convincing old man Woodruff to give his blessing; a man who did not like expanding into other drinks or diet variants, much less messing with the one and only Coca-Cola. The stubbornness in admitting the mistake remained visible until just recently when Coca-Cola Classic finally returned to being just Coca-Cola. The lesson of New Coke is not to place too much confidence in out of context testing.

Urban myth. Trust me - as a semi-insider. My former employer was a supplier...

I prefer ice cold Mexican Coke. The sugar cane sucrose beats corn syrup any day.
Just saying.

You have just hit on the answer there...

Very true. We can blame Asa Candler's hubris over a century ago for the use of high fructose corn syrup. There is another semi-related lesson there, that just because you don't see value in a product/idea does not mean others will not.

There was no HFCS in the original formulation...it didn't exist a century ago, at least not in it's current form.

@tirian hit on the correct answer. The product changes were because Coke wanted to change from cane sugar as the main sweetner to the much less expensive HFCS. The problem with it was they could not exactly match the flavour profile. The entire Coke/New Coke/Coke Classic was nothing more than ensuring there would be minimal product that could be compared between sugar sweetened and HFCS sweetened.

And no, no grand conspiracy...but the bait and switch sure do remind me of TDO....

 

[willtravel]

Urban myth. Trust me - as a semi-insider. My former employer was a supplier...


You have just hit on the answer there...



There was no HFCS in the original formulation...it didn't exist a century ago, at least not in it's current form.

@tirian hit on the correct answer. The product changes were because Coke wanted to change from cane sugar as the main sweetner to the much less expensive HFCS. The problem with it was they could not exactly match the flavour profile. The entire Coke/New Coke/Coke Classic was nothing more than ensuring there would be minimal product that could be compared between sugar sweetened and HFCS sweetened.

And no, no grand conspiracy...but the bait and switch sure do remind me of TDO....

So, do they make Coke with cane sugar?

 

[Goofyernmost]

There is a conspiracy theory out there that the switch from old to new was made solely to disguise a switch from cane sugar to corn syrup--the latter, of course, remained afterward. I don't really buy it, but it's out there.

I don't think it a complete truth, but it might have some merit. Contrary to popular belief Coca Cola has never been beyond some pretty devious tricks. Also, back in those years, many a die-hard Coke fan where unpleasantly surprised when they did the Pepsi vs. Coke taste test. Those were real, I actually witnessed them being done and you would be surprised how many people that had always drank Coke, picked Pepsi...positive it was Coke. That, I think, was really the catalyst that caused Coke to perhaps change their formula a bit to capture those people back, but they also could have figured that if that many people could be so sure that the Pepsi that they were drinking was actually Coke, they might have thought that this was a good time to make a couple of money savings changes to Classic Coke that they rightfully felt that no one would notice.

 

[muteki]

So, do they make Coke with cane sugar?

I can find single bottles of Mexican Coke at my local grocery store, and cases of 18 at places like Sams/Costco/BJs.

It's expensive, but we don't buy soda very often so it is nice to splurge every once in a while.

 

[willtravel]

I can find single bottles of Mexican Coke at my local grocery store, and cases of 18 at places like Sams/Costco/BJs.

It's expensive, but we don't buy soda very often so it is nice to splurge every once in a while.

No 2 liter bottles then?

 

[muteki]

No 2 liter bottles then?

I've seen only 12oz bottles locally. I've only seen 2 liters in Mexico

 

[flynnibus]

The grocery stores here (Wegmans, etc) all carry the bottled cane sugar products if you want them.

Personally I don't prefer the cane sugar variants.. I actually prefer the HFCS version of sprite to the sugar version.. but I like sugar in the various smaller bottler products like Black Cherry soda

 

[Clever Name]

I'm not a fan of empty calories. I prefer aspartame in my soda drinks.

 

[wdwmagic]

What hotels are they starting with? When will they be notifying people with hotel reservations during the official roll out time? I mean, 9/3 is Tuesday... if they are officially rolling it out, I would think people checking in on 9/3 should have been told by now...

see http://www.wdwmagic.com/other/mymag...ds-to-more-resorts-as-full-roll-out-nears.htm

 

[lazyboy97o]

[\RANTON]
Don't think so, Cane sugar is used in Coke almost anywhere but the US, Thank 'Big Sugar' and its subsidiary 'Big Government' for US Sugar prices being 20x the world price for sugar. With generous 'price supports' paid for by your tax dollar providing more 'Corporate Welfare' in exchange for campaign cash, The other form of welfare provides goods and services to the FSA 'Free Stuff Army' in exchange for votes.

The second form at least has some moral defensibility in that there are people truly in need, the first is Corruption with a capital C
[\RANTOFF]

Asa Chandler thought bottling was a lousy idea and destine to fail. He was so sure of the failure that he sold the US and Canadian bottling rights in perpetuity and even agreed to provide sugar to the bottlers at a fixed price. The issue of sugar for bottled Coca-Cola became a problem almost immediately.

Urban myth. Trust me - as a semi-insider. My former employer was a supplier...


You have just hit on the answer there...



There was no HFCS in the original formulation...it didn't exist a century ago, at least not in it's current form.

@tirian hit on the correct answer. The product changes were because Coke wanted to change from cane sugar as the main sweetner to the much less expensive HFCS. The problem with it was they could not exactly match the flavour profile. The entire Coke/New Coke/Coke Classic was nothing more than ensuring there would be minimal product that could be compared between sugar sweetened and HFCS sweetened.

And no, no grand conspiracy...but the bait and switch sure do remind me of TDO....

The issue, as I dated above, had to do with the bottling contract. There were moves to try and change the formula and switch before New Coke. The Coca-Cola Company was even sued over the attempts to drop sugar in the official formula.

 

[tirian]

There is a conspiracy theory out there that the switch from old to new was made solely to disguise a switch from cane sugar to corn syrup--the latter, of course, remained afterward. I don't really buy it, but it's out there.

Supposedly, they switched to corn syrup years before New Coke.

 

[luv]

Give it up for ice water in Tervis cups!! Woot!

 

[Darth Sidious]

Asa Chandler thought bottling was a lousy idea and destine to fail. He was so sure of the failure that he sold the US and Canadian bottling rights in perpetuity and even agreed to provide sugar to the bottlers at a fixed price. The issue of sugar for bottled Coca-Cola became a problem almost immediately.


The issue, as I dated above, had to do with the bottling contract. There were moves to try and change the formula and switch before New Coke. The Coca-Cola Company was even sued over the attempts to drop sugar in the official formula.

They have been recently buying those bottling companies. Not sure how far along they are but they have made some large purchases.

 

[HMF]

Our present system is 'regulatory capitalism' where investing in laws and regulations is more profitable than investing in creating goods and services

In other words a glorified Corporate Dictatorship marketing itself as a democracy.

 

[Tom Morrow]

Since we're talking about Mexican Coca Cola, you can find it at a lot of stores around WDW, along with Mexican Sprite and Fanta. I've even seen imported Pepsi brands, which still taste better than Pepsi Throwback.

The only drink I actually think tastes better with HFCS is Mountain Dew. The rest are much better with cane sugar. They not only taste better, they have no weird aftertaste or syrupy consistency that makes your mouth feel gross.