Spirited News, Observations & Thoughts IV

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luv

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Amazing episode, pretty much no flaws. The only flaw is that Holly's hair magically grew long in 3 minutes :p
I didn't catch that, lol.

I was so distracted by the changing shapes of Skinny Pete's pizza slice that I could barely pay attention to his conversation with Badger.

It really was a good episode. I'm ed that I have to wait a week for the next one.

Poor, poor Jesse. :(

Breaking Bad really is the best show on TV.
 

the.dreamfinder

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I watched two episodes of "The Newsroom."

Hopelessly unrealistic. Annoyingly so. Makes me angry.
It's kinda sad that they blew it in Season One. Season Two is an improvement, but I love it when Sam Waterston's character blows a gasket. We should send him to Bob, Jay and Tom for a nice talking to. :)
 

WDW1974

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Here's some information (weird somewhat troubling stuff) related to NGE that has just come into my possession and the source has allowed me to share with just a few slight omissions and edits of mine that in no way change the substance of the material. Here it is ...

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A lot of resources have been directed at overcoming line-of-sight deficiencies or occlusions to gather data within structures. A focus on where in a given store, or structure, a “target” (guest) dwells or hovers appears to be especially important as well as precise geolocation for any “down time” which I understand to mean time not on NGE’s scheduling.

Quasistatic magnetic field technology and investigation is referenced to reduce interference from indoor settings and problems relating to multipath propagation.

While I will stay away from specific surveillance technologies deployed, Disney has specified that its program will include the ability to “radically impact” tracking in part by marrying vision systems with depth sensors. “Characterizing” the image of each individual within a given setting to provide seamless monitoring from outdoor to indoor environs and back is heavily referenced.

The need to target and capture park guest characteristics with a specific focus on guest mobility…in part by “exploiting” the WiFi networking infrastructure “time-of-flight measurements…or precise localization” is incorporated in the NGE project.

There now exists an entire 'division' focused exclusively on data mining and artificial intelligence as well as advancing or adapting materials for both.

New types of biometric identification are cited, some are remarkable if achievable given their stealth nature. Meaning, you will have no notion that you are being ‘scanned and detected’ by this technology. As I've yet to receive confirmation this is actually operational, and it goes into the whole facial recognition discussion, I would rather leave it there for now.

With regard to what some individuals have revisited – the removal of the gates to Pleasure Island and what that signaled, as we have discussed, Walt Disney World now has no gates at its four main gates. The idea at PI was to increase traffic, to encourage the seamless flow from one end of Downtown Disney to the other. Not really a comparison here.

Unless, that is, you see each person passing through that ‘point of entry’ as a data point. And your desire is to measure that flow of data with remarkable precision.

It should also be mentioned that Disney addresses the aim/goal/mandate of NGE to include the forced “migration” of guests from “desirable areas and attractions” to “less popular ” locales.

Moreover, there is a referencing to “limitations on actual resources” that appears to indicate Disney is greatly motivated to strictly govern your experience which could include your exclusion if TWDC determines its limited resources at WDW could be better served by not providing you access. For example, a childless couple in the 45+ demo could be determined to be unworthy or ‘a drain’ on resources when contrasted with the potential of a young family with several additional revenue streams and new data lines for mining.

Known contractors in the sector like Lumidigm and Safran's L-1 Identity Solutions appear to not have the capabilities Disney is requiring for NGE. IQT, through its partners and alliances, is doing work that overlaps if not mirrors many elements NGE.

While I still cannot say if TWDC is both a developer and client, it seems unlikely Disney is riding solo on this given the scope of the technology and the many references to WDW being "the venue" for what are termed 'field experiments' with the same. Also, unlike previous moves, this is not merely a technology upgrade.

Many people might remember that at the last one of those, with the biometric reader installation, Disney used those words. They are not being used today. And, back then, when security concerns were raised, the very company doing the installation, based on the Lumidigm product, said all it would take is selecting an already existing option to capture all of the data that was raising these concerns.

Not very reassuring. Especially as we learn more about the level, the detail of scrutiny our every move seems to warrant.

...

Disney said it wasn't back then. Capturing the data, that is. Now, Disney is saying you (the guests) are "opting in" by wanting to experience their product at WDW. In a model whereby that guest really has no choice but to accept the aim/goal/mandate of NGE. >>>
 

HMF

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Here's some information (weird somewhat troubling stuff) related to NGE that has just come into my possession and the source has allowed me to share with just a few slight omissions and edits of mine that in no way change the substance of the material. Here it is ...

<<<

A lot of resources have been directed at overcoming line-of-sight deficiencies or occlusions to gather data within structures. A focus on where in a given store, or structure, a “target” (guest) dwells or hovers appears to be especially important as well as precise geolocation for any “down time” which I understand to mean time not on NGE’s scheduling.

Quasistatic magnetic field technology and investigation is referenced to reduce interference from indoor settings and problems relating to multipath propagation.

While I will stay away from specific surveillance technologies deployed, Disney has specified that its program will include the ability to “radically impact” tracking in part by marrying vision systems with depth sensors. “Characterizing” the image of each individual within a given setting to provide seamless monitoring from outdoor to indoor environs and back is heavily referenced.

The need to target and capture park guest characteristics with a specific focus on guest mobility…in part by “exploiting” the WiFi networking infrastructure “time-of-flight measurements…or precise localization” is incorporated in the NGE project.

There now exists an entire 'division' focused exclusively on data mining and artificial intelligence as well as advancing or adapting materials for both.

New types of biometric identification are cited, some are remarkable if achievable given their stealth nature. Meaning, you will have no notion that you are being ‘scanned and detected’ by this technology. As I've yet to receive confirmation this is actually operational, and it goes into the whole facial recognition discussion, I would rather leave it there for now.

With regard to what some individuals have revisited – the removal of the gates to Pleasure Island and what that signaled, as we have discussed, Walt Disney World now has no gates at its four main gates. The idea at PI was to increase traffic, to encourage the seamless flow from one end of Downtown Disney to the other. Not really a comparison here.

Unless, that is, you see each person passing through that ‘point of entry’ as a data point. And your desire is to measure that flow of data with remarkable precision.

It should also be mentioned that Disney addresses the aim/goal/mandate of NGE to include the forced “migration” of guests from “desirable areas and attractions” to “less popular ” locales.

Moreover, there is a referencing to “limitations on actual resources” that appears to indicate Disney is greatly motivated to strictly govern your experience which could include your exclusion if TWDC determines its limited resources at WDW could be better served by not providing you access. For example, a childless couple in the 45+ demo could be determined to be unworthy or ‘a drain’ on resources when contrasted with the potential of a young family with several additional revenue streams and new data lines for mining.

Known contractors in the sector like Lumidigm and Safran's L-1 Identity Solutions appear to not have the capabilities Disney is requiring for NGE. IQT, through its partners and alliances, is doing work that overlaps if not mirrors many elements NGE.

While I still cannot say if TWDC is both a developer and client, it seems unlikely Disney is riding solo on this given the scope of the technology and the many references to WDW being "the venue" for what are termed 'field experiments' with the same. Also, unlike previous moves, this is not merely a technology upgrade.

Many people might remember that at the last one of those, with the biometric reader installation, Disney used those words. They are not being used today. And, back then, when security concerns were raised, the very company doing the installation, based on the Lumidigm product, said all it would take is selecting an already existing option to capture all of the data that was raising these concerns.

Not very reassuring. Especially as we learn more about the level, the detail of scrutiny our every move seems to warrant.

...

Disney said it wasn't back then. Capturing the data, that is. Now, Disney is saying you (the guests) are "opting in" by wanting to experience their product at WDW. In a model whereby that guest really has no choice but to accept the aim/goal/mandate of NGE. >>>
The thing that scares me to death is what will happen if every institution whether it be Government or business starts using this technology as a condition of Citizenship or doing business. It really is terrifying.
 

JenniferS

When you're the leader, you don't have to follow.
Here's some information (weird somewhat troubling stuff) related to NGE that has just come into my possession and the source has allowed me to share with just a few slight omissions and edits of mine that in no way change the substance of the material. Here it is ...

<<<

A lot of resources have been directed at overcoming line-of-sight deficiencies or occlusions to gather data within structures. A focus on where in a given store, or structure, a “target” (guest) dwells or hovers appears to be especially important as well as precise geolocation for any “down time” which I understand to mean time not on NGE’s scheduling.

Quasistatic magnetic field technology and investigation is referenced to reduce interference from indoor settings and problems relating to multipath propagation.

While I will stay away from specific surveillance technologies deployed, Disney has specified that its program will include the ability to “radically impact” tracking in part by marrying vision systems with depth sensors. “Characterizing” the image of each individual within a given setting to provide seamless monitoring from outdoor to indoor environs and back is heavily referenced.

The need to target and capture park guest characteristics with a specific focus on guest mobility…in part by “exploiting” the WiFi networking infrastructure “time-of-flight measurements…or precise localization” is incorporated in the NGE project.

There now exists an entire 'division' focused exclusively on data mining and artificial intelligence as well as advancing or adapting materials for both.

New types of biometric identification are cited, some are remarkable if achievable given their stealth nature. Meaning, you will have no notion that you are being ‘scanned and detected’ by this technology. As I've yet to receive confirmation this is actually operational, and it goes into the whole facial recognition discussion, I would rather leave it there for now.

With regard to what some individuals have revisited – the removal of the gates to Pleasure Island and what that signaled, as we have discussed, Walt Disney World now has no gates at its four main gates. The idea at PI was to increase traffic, to encourage the seamless flow from one end of Downtown Disney to the other. Not really a comparison here.

Unless, that is, you see each person passing through that ‘point of entry’ as a data point. And your desire is to measure that flow of data with remarkable precision.

It should also be mentioned that Disney addresses the aim/goal/mandate of NGE to include the forced “migration” of guests from “desirable areas and attractions” to “less popular ” locales.

Moreover, there is a referencing to “limitations on actual resources” that appears to indicate Disney is greatly motivated to strictly govern your experience which could include your exclusion if TWDC determines its limited resources at WDW could be better served by not providing you access. For example, a childless couple in the 45+ demo could be determined to be unworthy or ‘a drain’ on resources when contrasted with the potential of a young family with several additional revenue streams and new data lines for mining.

Known contractors in the sector like Lumidigm and Safran's L-1 Identity Solutions appear to not have the capabilities Disney is requiring for NGE. IQT, through its partners and alliances, is doing work that overlaps if not mirrors many elements NGE.

While I still cannot say if TWDC is both a developer and client, it seems unlikely Disney is riding solo on this given the scope of the technology and the many references to WDW being "the venue" for what are termed 'field experiments' with the same. Also, unlike previous moves, this is not merely a technology upgrade.

Many people might remember that at the last one of those, with the biometric reader installation, Disney used those words. They are not being used today. And, back then, when security concerns were raised, the very company doing the installation, based on the Lumidigm product, said all it would take is selecting an already existing option to capture all of the data that was raising these concerns.

Not very reassuring. Especially as we learn more about the level, the detail of scrutiny our every move seems to warrant.

...

Disney said it wasn't back then. Capturing the data, that is. Now, Disney is saying you (the guests) are "opting in" by wanting to experience their product at WDW. In a model whereby that guest really has no choice but to accept the aim/goal/mandate of NGE. >>>
I don't know if it's because I'm Canadian and am way less worried about being tracked, but seriously Disney, give me a whole bunch more cool rides and things to do, and I don't care how closely you want to track me.
Send me targeted discounts - I don't care.
Just stop pi$$ing around, and take a page out of Uni's book and just build something, for Pete's sake.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
I don't know if it's because I'm Canadian and am way less worried about being tracked, but seriously Disney, give me a whole bunch more cool rides and things to do, and I don't care how closely you want to track me.
Send me targeted discounts - I don't care.
Just stop pi$$ing around, and take a page out of Uni's book and just build something, for Pete's sake.
Red seas.
 

WDW1974

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The thing that scares me to death is what will happen if every institution whether it be Government or business starts using this technology as a condition of Citizenship or doing business. It really is terrifying.

I think that is the true end game, both with our wonderful government (drop meaningless words like freedom, liberty and justice) and TWDC. I believe that WDW is being used as a sorta test kitchen to further condition people to accept a more restricted/controlled enviornment.
 

HMF

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The thing that bothers me the most is when I tell everyday people about these things. They say "That's just the way the world works". It's insane, My guess is people just don't want to think about it so they act like it's no big deal and support it because they either don't want to hear it or it scares them to even question the status quo. When any Corporation or Government does Morally questionable things people seem to think that saying things like "it's a business" etc. excuses away any unethical behavior. It sometimes really amazes me that people are as complacent as they are.
 
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englanddg

One Little Spark...
I'm sorry, it's late, and/or I'm dense tonight, but I don't know what that means.
Not sure if I agree with it or not, but Spirit has mentioned it several times. It's a management philosophy (actually, red oceans)...way to much to explain right now, as I'm tired and will be crawling back into bed...but at it's core is that you shouldn't look to continue the standard business models in the standard fashion (e.g. building attraction or "weenies"), rather you should look for investments which no one else is doing that can revolutionize the industry. Look for "blue oceans"...rather than trying to compete head to head with your direct comptetition.

Also, Disney would argue, I suspect, or at least some of the execs would, that there HAS been major capital construction investment in the parks, but due to the size of the parks they have reached a point where they cannot justify those expenses.

They'd probably also argue that "surveys" show that they are adding services and experiences that Guests want. Guests want to meet princesses and characters, so they add meet and greets. Guests feel like they are bored in line, so they add interactive queues. Guests say they feel like there are only a few rides (in other words they are not spending time soaking in the lands) so they add interactive experiences and games.

Plus there's all the current construction / renovations / and NFL.

And, none of this touches on the blue ocean that they hope NextGen will be, where they'll be able to traffic shape on a scale no one else in the theme park (or frankly vacation industry) can.

The only comment I'd make to that is...metrics are good...but not all information make quality metrics. You should pick and choose what is important. That is what's hard. When the metrics become vague and / or large enough...they begin to be ignored...or so confusing that they are worthless...or, and this is what I think they'll find when all this is said and done...if that is where they are going with this...they'll find they have obvious results. (TSMM has a long line and is popular? Do tell!)

I'm sure somewhere there's a pipe dream to have live "heat" maps of the parks, and treat them like giant games of simcity. Problem is, it won't work practically...at least I don't think so.

Big waste of time and money.

Some of the other aspects though, as I stated, like FP+, the site, the app, the bands, I sortof like all that...even more now that I've used them.
 

Hobnail Boot

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I don't know if it's because I'm Canadian and am way less worried about being tracked, but seriously Disney, give me a whole bunch more cool rides and things to do, and I don't care how closely you want to track me.
Send me targeted discounts - I don't care.
Just stop pi$$ing around, and take a page out of Uni's book and just build something, for Pete's sake.
That's pretty much my standpoint. I don't care if you track me, I've got nothing to hide. You want to know where I eat and when I head back to the hotel for a nap? Fine, just build something worthwhile and then you can track me there to your little heart's desire.
 

the.dreamfinder

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I think that is the true end game, both with our wonderful government (drop meaningless words like freedom, liberty and justice) and TWDC. I believe that WDW is being used as a sorta test kitchen to further condition people to accept a more restricted/controlled enviornment.
As much as you kid about the Cult of Jobs, Steve would have thrown a fit over NGE if he was still alive. It's worth pointing out that Apple joined NSA's PRISM roughly a year after his death.
 

JenniferS

When you're the leader, you don't have to follow.
I think that is the true end game, both with our wonderful government (drop meaningless words like freedom, liberty and justice) and TWDC. I believe that WDW is being used as a sorta test kitchen to further condition people to accept a more restricted/controlled enviornment.
Hmmmm - come to Canada, the True North Strong and Free. Home to the Sea King helicopters, a fleet that turned 50 years old last month. Each helicopter requires 30 hours of service/maintenance per one hour of actual flight. Two administrations in the past 20 years have failed to solidify a deal to purchase new ones (the EH101 and the CH-148 Cyclone). Neither plan got off the ground (no pun intended) due to the exorbitant cost. It is highly unlikely that our gov't would ever be able/willing to spring for a tracking system similar to NextGen.
 
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ThemeParkJunkee

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Still planning my 2014 trip with my wristband in an Altoids container unless I need it. Using Disney Gift Cards for my meals, won't be on a meal plan and no PIN attached to my card. Still haven't decided whether my first name is allowed to used by CM's and interactives. I have no desire to be "tracked" and will discourage it at every opportunity so long as I can still get lunch and my purchases are still sent to my resort.

I am still so "all about" the "creepiness" of this whole interactive stuff that I have kind of decided WDW is a once every 4 year thing with research and a lot of planning and precautions. This to me has more of a "creepiness" or "invasive" tone than an enhancement to my "park experience". Just sayin.
 
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