Longhairbear
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My take on this is that the execs will wring the parks dry, and then let them die.
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Spirited News & Observations II -- NGE/Baxter
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You can also have two creatives. By no means would I term Frank Wells a 'money man' even if he sorta winds up in that role a la Walt and Roy.
Companies that I feel will exist in the long term aren't the ones who only focus on the bottom line in the short term.
(49ers tomorrow!)
Rasvar
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Oh shoot. That bad? I was thinking of checking it out on my next Las Vegas trip. Have not really gone any shows on my last few trips. They seem to have lost their punch and are way overpriced now. I kind of miss the cheap rooms, cheap shows and cheap eats while I lose my money in the casino. Now it costs so much that I don't have enough money to gamble with so I don't go as often.
That is definitely true. I didn't sneak into any SB parties (although I have snuck into other parties!), but the parties in Miami in 2007 and 2010 were much more enjoyable than the games -- especially '07 in which I didn't go, but went to the Craig Ferguson Late, Late Show tapings on SoBe instead.
When I first went to the games in the 90s, I thought they were crazy. And they only got worse. The crowds. The sponsors. The jocksniffers. ... and then post 9/11 security.
the.dreamfinder
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So any info on the next CEO front?
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An outside example is Mark Loughridge from IBM. He is a money guy but has a degree is engineering as well. IBM is also an extraordinary company and he has a hand in that. I like long term thinkers.
Wrong question. Wrong time. Possibly wrong Spirit!
the.dreamfinder
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Rasvar
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I had my connections to a couple in Tampa and the one in Jacksonville. I did not bother with going to the games. I prefer going to games with fans and not corporate sponsors and their guests. I got into a couple of corporate parties and an NFLPA party. Although my my big win was getting into one of the Playboy parties. I kind of retired from sneaking into parties after that. Leave at the top of the game.
You don't have to worry. Viva Elvis was replaced by another show (Zarkana maybe?) last year. Vegas can still be quite cheap, but you have to know where to stay and when to go. I'm getting offers all the time and while I gamble some, I am by no means a whale. ... Just a warning, though, that some point around 2008 the MGM Resorts adopted a resort fee at all their properties (most around $16-20 a night), while Ceasar's resorts have none.
My faves are still The Hotel at Mandalay Bay (about to become The Delano) and the Venetian.
PhotoDave219
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Okay.... from my POV. This is all about management culture and what is rewarded these days and it strays far far beyond Disney.
We complain that nothing creative gets accomplished. Nothing gets done. Thats because you have two types of people in the world working these days:
1 - Doers - the people who get done. Theyre generally ill tempered, slightly high strung, a tad abrasive but theyre usually your creative types and they get the job done.
2 - Corporate Weasels. - This is your "fail upward" category. People who do their job well enough to get noticed, make themselves look good but at the end of the day dont really do anything. Their job is to cover their own and navigate office politics well enough to get a promotion.
Unfortunately, management is full of weasels and they reward their own kind. They tell themselves that theyre all doing a good job and essentially have a good old fashioned corporate circle [K?]. But they don't actually do anything other than give each other raises and stock options. They also do a great job at going after the Doers in this world, as the Doers are generally bad at office politics and tend to tell weasels to [have Carnal Relations with a relative or close family member] regardless of the circumstances.
This is the basic management culture that goes on these days. And its destined to fail. Why? Because if you get rid of your creatives and all the people who actually get stuff done, eventually you won't get anything done. You becomes stagnent, you lose focus on what got you to your position and you stop innovating. Then your competition will take your market share and momentum.
Thats how companies fail. No amount of corporate degrees, consultants or specialists can replace people who get things done.
We complain that nothing creative gets accomplished. Nothing gets done. Thats because you have two types of people in the world working these days:
1 - Doers - the people who get done. Theyre generally ill tempered, slightly high strung, a tad abrasive but theyre usually your creative types and they get the job done.
2 - Corporate Weasels. - This is your "fail upward" category. People who do their job well enough to get noticed, make themselves look good but at the end of the day dont really do anything. Their job is to cover their own and navigate office politics well enough to get a promotion.
Unfortunately, management is full of weasels and they reward their own kind. They tell themselves that theyre all doing a good job and essentially have a good old fashioned corporate circle [K?]. But they don't actually do anything other than give each other raises and stock options. They also do a great job at going after the Doers in this world, as the Doers are generally bad at office politics and tend to tell weasels to [have Carnal Relations with a relative or close family member] regardless of the circumstances.
This is the basic management culture that goes on these days. And its destined to fail. Why? Because if you get rid of your creatives and all the people who actually get stuff done, eventually you won't get anything done. You becomes stagnent, you lose focus on what got you to your position and you stop innovating. Then your competition will take your market share and momentum.
Thats how companies fail. No amount of corporate degrees, consultants or specialists can replace people who get things done.
Rasvar
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Non-Sequitor or future Disney Park owners?
KevinYee
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I was talking BOS and Disney back in 2011! 
http://miceage.micechat.com/kevinyee/ky082311a.htm
My position then was that Disney wasn't being blue ENOUGH and had stayed 'red'... trying to compete toe to toe with Uni and 'reacting' rather than leading.
I think in the end Spirit and I are saying the same thing, though oddly we are using the same metaphor in opposite directions to say that same thing.
http://miceage.micechat.com/kevinyee/ky082311a.htm
My position then was that Disney wasn't being blue ENOUGH and had stayed 'red'... trying to compete toe to toe with Uni and 'reacting' rather than leading.
I think in the end Spirit and I are saying the same thing, though oddly we are using the same metaphor in opposite directions to say that same thing.
PhotoDave219
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I was talking BOS and Disney back in 2011!
http://miceage.micechat.com/kevinyee/ky082311a.htm
My position then was that Disney wasn't being blue ENOUGH and had stayed 'red'... trying to compete toe to toe with Uni and 'reacting' rather than leading.
Instead, UNI is pounding on Disney like Clubber Lang on Rocky.
Rasvar
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I used to stay at Ceasar's properties quite often. I still like the old Bally's. I have simple needs. Still get offers. Just find it harder and harder to deal with the hassle of flying out there when I am mostly just going to gamble. I'll start to look and next thing I know I have a week scheduled in Yellowstone to do hiking.
Genie of the Lamp
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Yeah Zarkana did replace Viva Elvis last year and The Beatles Love is still running. A nice hotel to stay at in Vegas on the cheap is called Thahiti Village located off the strip which was where our party stayed. Nice deluxe hotel that has a nice value to it kinda like the Swan and Dolphin here in WDW. The Wynn hotel and the Bellagio and the Mirage were my favorites when I went back in 09. Yeah, I can tell you that when we were booking for our trip, we looked at the price stay simulation for MGM Grand and it did in fact have the resort fee tacked on for when we'd be staying their. Also love the resorts you mentioned as well esp. the Venetian where you can view Blue Man Group and ride a Gondola. Mandalay Bay also has that nice shark tank exhibit as well.
Clever Name
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You and Spirit must have gone to different high schools together.
the.dreamfinder
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A bit of both I suppose. Could you image what kind of resort WDW could be with 10-20 billion dollars?
Captain Neo
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keep dreaming
the.dreamfinder
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Well, do you have any intention of buying a Wii U? Being a console maker is a VERY expensive business. If Nintendo loses the faith of Third Party devs and sales tank in North America and Europe they will be in a very bad position. Nintendo can't afford to lose money on this console and a posible acquisition of its development studios and IP is a very real possibility.