xdan0920
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About Flower and Garden having food booths, how many booths are we talking? Are we looking at a scaled down F&W fest? If so, how scaled down?
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About Flower and Garden having food booths, how many booths are we talking? Are we looking at a scaled down F&W fest? If so, how scaled down?
menamechris
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It's a joke. It's as if at 10:00 this morning, marketing had an emergency meeting and started with "Oh crap - we have to announce something TODAY?" No thought, no creativity....it's not even special or available for "limited time". Like I said before - it almost seems purposefully bad on TDO's part. As if they are shooting the bird to corporate for making them work....
Disneyhead'71
Well-Known Member
I thought about removing the pic, but it had already been quoted so much that removing it would have been pointless. So that best I could do at that point is bow my head in shame and apologize and promise to try and be more sensitive in the future.
Why should they care?
You gave Disney at least $20,000 upfront. Now, would they like more money from you? Sure. But they're much more interested in selling more timeshares than making people that have them already happy.
I heard that at the recent DVC annual meeting they crowed about the fact all DVC resorts will be gaining triple sheeting on beds and how it's the industry standard. All I can say to that is they're only about a decade behind the industry in that.
I realize my thread took off into an anti-ECV/stroller rant (and I'm against both, let's be blunt a vast majority of people who rent the ECVs are just plain fat and lazy and the same could be said of people who are pushing children who are pushing puberty around in double wides) ... but, yes, no one should be allowed to bring luggage, coolers (the soft kind as well), camera tripods (sorry, bloggers) and the type of backpack you might need if you were attempting to conquer Everest (the real one, not the Disney one with Disco Yeti!)
But better trained crowd control is absolutely a must. They do it at DL, with much smaller walkways. They do at TDL, with much larger crowds.
They'll do it at WDW after they have a stampede and a few people are killed. That's just the reality of it. Poor WDW Co, they just can't afford to hire a few hundred more $8 an hour CMs.
Dress codes?!?!?
At WDW?!??!
ROTFAMFAO!!!!
C'mon, you can show up at the California Grill wearing a Tink tank top with your hairy pits and multiple tats showing, reeking of the MK and they may stick you way off in a corner, but they won't turn you away.
I used to do so. Start every MK visit at the Tambu Lounge at the Poly (so at least they made some $$$ of me parking there 'illegally' and all)
... but the place is now just a kiddie waiting area for 'Ohana. And I don't like to enjoy an adult beverage or three while surrounded by young children and bad parents. ... Now, it's the Territory Lounge or EPCOT first.
EpcotFanForever
Active Member
As I mentioned earlier, the big difference in California is the tough laws which makes poor crowd control illegal.
Of course in Florida we have RCID - oh, wait a minute...
Post of the week here, for sure. You're so dead-on. Every single time at the Magic Kingdom, my wife and I always say that they act as though they've never done this before, even though they do parade traffic flow nearly each and every night and have done so for most nights of 40 years. It's chaotic and downright dangerous. There's nothing like a bunch of obnoxious people nearly trampling your small children because they have no manners nor do they have any respect.
ECVs... My dad has two debilitating diseases and has a custom electric wheelchair, but chooses to only use it for long distances. He hates having to use it, but he has no choice due to his medical condition. All the meanwhile, you're constantly watching out for people running you over in the ECVs all because they are the "Wall-E" types that are too lazy to walk. And strollers, yup. How about not taking your running stroller to the park? Or do what my kids did when they were little, walk. They liked that. I have a two and a half year old that since about 16 months could care less about the stroller. We try to get him in it during vacation to have him relax and not get exhausted and then cranky from walking.... but he generally chooses to walk, and yes, it's a slim stroller, not a small tank sized one.
As for your Les Miserables experience noted above, it's like our trip to Target yesterday. These people are not in line, they have their cart facing horizontally by the end cap between two registers (yup, not in what most people consider a line formation) and are audibly complaining to each other about buying something and trying to decide whether they buy it or not. I pull our cart in line and they flip out.... Then the guy says that well, they weren't actually in the line, so we can go. Well isn't that nice? All the while they looked all ticked that I was going into line where, um, they weren't standing and they were doing us a favor. Sometimes I wonder why we even bother going out anymore. Welcome to our ed off America. Ugh, it stinks.
People have lost the basic ability to form lines. Forget WDW (although I love getting in a QSR line where they take orders on both sides and people are all on one side ... or standing to get in the parks when turnstiles have green arrows and no one is using them but 63 people are lined up at another) ... the 'California' line phenomenon has gone cross country. So you enter a fast food outlet with 3-4 registers and instead of people getting into lines, they form the giant blob and sorta hang back 5-6-7 feet from the counter and think they're in line or that it's first standing, first order taken. Crazy. I love watching as we head back to becoming monkeys again.
I saw said email and answer will be forthcoming, but nothing too bad (was a bit surprised by the TDS deal, never heard of that) ... but OLC runs the best Disney theme parks on Earth right now. Period.
flynnibus
Premium Member
That 'excuse' for why DLR is better is utter and total crap. And something like RCID is completely irrelevant to such a discussion.
Do they not teach Civics in schools anymore? What is it with all the RCID stupidity in the last few weeks.
donaldtoo
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They'd pay 'em THAT much...?!
I figured they'd be all about... "Can't get around the old minimum wage, Mortimer."
Without having been, I'm still reasonably certain that BoG is, indeed, the best part of 'New Fantasyland' and that speaks volumes about Disney's priorities.
Expo_Seeker40
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Speaking of food...did anyone notice that the Friar's Nook is open? Gotta love those seasonal treats! I can't wait to see what dust bunnies will collect at the Adventureland Verandah when the princesses move into Snow White's Shuttered Adventures.
flynnibus
Premium Member
And it's still a madhouse. DLR is a bit more 'strict' in their enforcement because the crowding issue is virtually an every night issue for them not just when the crowds are super high. F! would choke the entire area if it weren't this way.. and the hub crowd control is a constant sore spot for people because of the one way traffic. The 'released' group into watch F! is only for a portion of the viewing area and is done to cope with the Wishes->F! rush I believe.
I think the main difference might be how far and wide DLR pulls it's CMs into 'parade' control vs WDW.
I do NOT want this thread turned into yet another discussion on ECVs (would rather we talk about lifetime refillable mugs and how anyone who uses them will burn in Hell! ... need a devil smiley ... where is that?) ... but morbid obesity is certainly a medical condition, but it's also a self-inflicted one too and one that's becoming very politically incorrect to point out simple facts.
Beyond that, I'd wager that 85-90% of guests who are in EVCs truly do not need them. Not wanting to walk distances or wanting to get sore feet isn't a legit reason. But that's really all I wish to say about that.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Alas I will miss it as well because it starts on the 10th. Instead I get 'three kings day' in BTR.. blech. They are just kicking me while down. I'm going just in between two discount periods. You can get discount tickets good through end of 2012.. and can get discount tickets that start on Jan7.. but anything in between is full price.
And AAA and travel agent discounts are like $5.. not even worth the taxi fare to go get them. I liked it better when disney gave discounts for buying electronic tickets.. but even that is gone now.
WDWFigment
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Haven't had a chance to read through this entire thread, and like most posters, I'm far too lazy, so I've only read the last few pages. A few scattered thoughts:
1) The ECV/stroller thing is always a hot-button issue because, on an individual level, it's impossible to know whether someone really "needs" one. You cannot tell simply by looking at someone. That said, I feel comfortable making high-level comments. You see fewer strollers and ECVs at Disneyland, and FAR fewer of both in Disneyland Paris. Part of the reason in Paris is because Europe, in general, isn't as accommodating to the disabled. But that doesn't explain away all of the difference. Another part is because people are generally more fit since they walk more frequently than Americans. I think it's undeniable that America has a problem with obesity, and I think it is undeniable that WDW has a problem with ECV abuse even beyond the disabled obese. There are plenty of solutions to the former issue, but I don't really think there's a good solution to the problem of ECVs at WDW, so complaining is really all we have. Just for the sake of clarity, I am not implying or stating that all people using ECVs are merely obese.
2) It's like a sick joke that "bling" days at WDW are countered with the Golden Horseshoe at Disneyland for Limited Time Magic. What's even more frustrating, for me personally, is that the Golden Horseshoe is probably the biggest draw for me, and I don't have sufficient notice to get out there.
3) Don't the sudden perks being handed to DVC members suggest that there's a satisfaction problem amongst members and that their collective voice matters? You can easily come to the conclusion that a discounted AP is all it takes to buy that group off, or you can conclude that Disney thinks it's all it takes to buy that group off. In reality, Disney could have a serious problem on its hands if this group grows increasingly dissatisfied. I'm not saying it will happen, but why else hand out those perks? Disney certainly isn't doing it out of benevolence.
4) @WDW1974 You had me at the other 'bans,' you lost me at tripods. Probably from a personal perspective since I have a vested interest in them sticking around, but I've never been run into by a tripod, been honked at by a tripod, etc., by a tripod. People wandering around taking photos with their iPads are far more "dangerous" and irksome.
1) The ECV/stroller thing is always a hot-button issue because, on an individual level, it's impossible to know whether someone really "needs" one. You cannot tell simply by looking at someone. That said, I feel comfortable making high-level comments. You see fewer strollers and ECVs at Disneyland, and FAR fewer of both in Disneyland Paris. Part of the reason in Paris is because Europe, in general, isn't as accommodating to the disabled. But that doesn't explain away all of the difference. Another part is because people are generally more fit since they walk more frequently than Americans. I think it's undeniable that America has a problem with obesity, and I think it is undeniable that WDW has a problem with ECV abuse even beyond the disabled obese. There are plenty of solutions to the former issue, but I don't really think there's a good solution to the problem of ECVs at WDW, so complaining is really all we have. Just for the sake of clarity, I am not implying or stating that all people using ECVs are merely obese.
2) It's like a sick joke that "bling" days at WDW are countered with the Golden Horseshoe at Disneyland for Limited Time Magic. What's even more frustrating, for me personally, is that the Golden Horseshoe is probably the biggest draw for me, and I don't have sufficient notice to get out there.
3) Don't the sudden perks being handed to DVC members suggest that there's a satisfaction problem amongst members and that their collective voice matters? You can easily come to the conclusion that a discounted AP is all it takes to buy that group off, or you can conclude that Disney thinks it's all it takes to buy that group off. In reality, Disney could have a serious problem on its hands if this group grows increasingly dissatisfied. I'm not saying it will happen, but why else hand out those perks? Disney certainly isn't doing it out of benevolence.
4) @WDW1974 You had me at the other 'bans,' you lost me at tripods.
Probably from a personal perspective since I have a vested interest in them sticking around, but I've never been run into by a tripod, been honked at by a tripod, etc., by a tripod. People wandering around taking photos with their iPads are far more "dangerous" and irksome.