Spiderman vs. Jack Sparrow

[Timmay]

I am not sure of why we got into the "I like Pirates better than Spidey" mode, but okay, whatever. Seems odd that both can't be liked equally.

I don't think there is any way to tell which one will do better...none at all. Both will be huge, I don't think there is any doubt about that.

Spidey will be huge because they are getting ready to tell the greatest Spider-Man story ever.

Pirates will be huge because we have to find out what happens next, we just have to. And everyone just loves Jack to death.

 

[Dukeblue1016]

well obviously there is no way to tell FOR SURE... but you can forecast and you can easily look at numbers and make a predication... and I feel very very strongly that SM 3 will do better than SM 2... but not as good as SM... so like... 105ish is my guess (bring this thread back next year, you'll be amazed how close my predictions will be ) and POTC 3 won't be quite as good as POTC 2... but will fall into 2nd at 125 mil... Please trust my judgement... that's all I can say...


yeah that was a wicked arrogant post... i don't care, and I will be the first if SM3 does better than POTC 3 to admit I was wrong and take any humiliation necessary... but I'm guarenteeing it won't...

 

[EmperorKuzco]

Check out this link for some good charts. Everyone can check out all of the numbers and compare. I also believe this summer will finish with Disney as #1 and #2 at the box office with DMC and Cars similar to 2003, with Pirates and Nemo. DMC will probably finish somewhere within the vicinity of Spider-Man 2 and Episode III. Not too shabby.

http://boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?id=summervs.htm

For those of you who have never visited boxofficemojo, it's a fantastic site.

 

[hokielutz]

Wait a minute... I must be behind with the times....

There's going to be a Shrek 3?? What possible plot could they have? What loose ends do they still have to tie up?

 

[iheartdisney91]

just my opinion but spiderman is really stupid!

 

[CaptainMichael]

just my opinion but spiderman is really stupid!

Care to back up that statement?

The Spiderman movies are some of the best I've seen in a while. The put all other superhero movies to shame IMO. The scripts are good, the casting is good, the effects are good, and they are enjoyable. I forget that I'm watching a movie based on a comic book.

Batman Begins and Superman Returns have learned from Spiderman's example.

Call the Spiderman Franchise stupid if you want, but it has revolutionized the Superhero Movie Industry...

 

[hokielutz]

Anyways, this is a great topic to banter on a Friday. I really like the Spidey franchise and I am looking forward to the next and final installment next May.

POTC 2 was awesome, but it was so complex that I had to watch it again one week later to catch all the nuances and sub-plots that I missed in the first.
Also my answer to those why say Black Pearl is better than Dead Man's Chest, is familiarity. The "Pearl" was a unique and original performance (Depp's character) for a swashbuckling genre. So hype is built up for more originality in the second movie. Instead you see Jack with the similar mannerisms and a different and more enveloping plot. Depp's character was so fresh and surprising the first time around, that the critics were used to him in the second movie. His antics didn't seem so outrageous now.
Dead Man's Chest left burning questions to be answered regarding Jack's fate and his origins, D Jones & Tia Dalma, Barbossa, and the East India Trading Co. Those questions and quirkyness of Johnny Depp will bring everyone back for At World's End.

I liked the first two shrek movies, granted the second one took far more jabs at Walt's company than I liked. My opinion is DW is trying to milk Shrek as a cash cow for the third installment. It will be old and familiar. I think it will do well on the order of $200 to $250M. But I doubt that this could come close to matching Shrek 2.

Anyways, just my thoughts on next year.

 

[CaptainMichael]

Those questions and quirkyness of Johnny Depp will bring everyone back for At World's End.

I just hope they save Jack at the beginning because it won't be as well received if he isn't.

 

[Dukeblue1016]

I just hope they save Jack at the beginning because it won't be as well received if he isn't.

well before I comment on something I found interesting let me say that I think they will... they know they can't go long without him...


but my interesting point... now I can't remember a time, and maybe there was one, but look at Jack's entrance to the second movie... I think it basically proved his importance to the franchise... I mean, when has a character made such a unique entrance into a movie... almost as to say "TA-DA" you know what I mean? Usually we're just introduced to characters... I found it interesting... that's all

 

[coasterphil]

just my opinion but spiderman is really stupid!

If were are just going to start throwing opinions into the discussion then I guess that I should mention that I find both franchise terribly boring and drawn out. I don't need to see movies that are more than 2 hours long, :snore: .

 

[CaptainMichael]

If were are just going to start throwing opinions into the discussion then I guess that I should mention that I find both franchise terribly boring and drawn out. I don't need to see movies that are more than 2 hours long, :snore: .

Lazy Americans.....

:brick:

:lol:

 

[CoffeeJedi]

I don't need to see movies that are more than 2 hours long, :snore: .

You know its funny, with the price of a movie nowdays, i almost feel ripped off if my movie is less than 2 hours. I think too many movies rush through things at breakneck speed without ever giving you a chance to breathe. That's what I loved about Cars, it knew how to take its time.

oh, btw, i'm going to be really really really stupidly pedantic and show my disgusting geekiness now, but i can't help it:

It's not "Spiderman", its <i>Spider-man</i>, the dash is actually officially part of his name.

whew, ok, i feel a little better now

 

[Dukeblue1016]

If were are just going to start throwing opinions into the discussion then I guess that I should mention that I find both franchise terribly boring and drawn out. I don't need to see movies that are more than 2 hours long, :snore: .

Some of the greatest movies of all time are over 2 hours long...

The Godfather... without any doubt the greatest movie ever made...
The Godfather II (no one mention III... it never happened)
Scarface
Braveheart
Gladiator
The LOTR (which won a bagillion awards)


the list is too long... but I can't believe someone would say 2 hours is their cut point...

 

[Dukeblue1016]

It's not "Spiderman", its Spider-man, the dash is actually officially part of his name.

whew, ok, i feel a little better now

Read Mike's (STR8FAN's) post from above... that will show as to why you RARELY see the dash... at least in my case...

 

[CaptainMichael]

You know its funny, with the price of a movie nowdays, i almost feel ripped off if my movie is less than 2 hours. I think too many movies rush through things at breakneck speed without ever giving you a chance to breathe.

Don't get me started. As a Harry Potter fan, it drives me nuts..They can only be 2.5 hrs long because of the kiddies....:fork:

 

[t3techcom18]

Okay, first off, before I say my commentary on this, let me just say that I'm probably one of the few here who hasn't seen DMC yet.

I didn't like 1st the first time around seeing it, thought it was pretty stupid, but on the second viewing, so I could remember what happened before I saw DMC, I liked it more the 2nd time around, but still, I had my problems with it. Hopefully, it doesn't have the same problems, the trilogy of POTC, as The Matrix sequels did, but everything points to that it does. I've been through many websites and through some of my friends who've seen it, and majority say, most of them do agree a 2nd viewing of DMC is almost required cause there's so much stuff going on, it's hard to take in the first time. That, and many really liked or loved the second, or they didn't like the second that much, and thought it wrecked it, like majority of the critics said with DMC. Not having seen DMC yet, obviously, can't make my opinon yet.

Spider-Man 3, DEFINITELY, I personally think, will be the crowning jewel of May 2007. It's bigger, better, and it's the sequel to one of the greatest and biggest endings that an action movie had. Spider-Man 3, from what I've heard, could take the cake, cause there's something for every age, and this one, as I've been hearing, *might* be the last of all of them, since it was designed to be a trilogy. There's 4 villains in this one, awesome new effects, more complexity, drama, and character relationships are about to get more complicated as seen in the trailer, as Mary Jane and Harry actually makes moves on each other!! PLUS, the fact of everyone asking WHY does Spider-Man have a black suit on will keep people coming back for more. I think Spider-Man WILL definitely get to be a HUGE money-maker, and being the end of the trilogy, more stuff involved, that'll attract people. That, and Spider-Man has got to be the BEST in superhero movie-wise, best sequels, originality, and it's complexity is untouched; only Batman Begins and Superman Returns can go along with that title.

 

[t3techcom18]

Shrek...meh, I LOVED the first two, more so the 2nd, and was pleasantly surprised by the second, thinking the same as you guys (there's more plot material left in it?), so, if they could do it with the 3rd, it would be real profitable. However, with Pirates 3, I think Shrek is a LOT more of a threat towards Pirates 3's opening numbers. Why? Well, one, Shrek is still a hit with today's aging teen audience, but so is Pirates; right there is a standpoint. BUT Shrek has an advantage though: Shrek, besides it's sometimes real innuendo type comedy, it's for the whole family, and look at the calendar, at least for right now, of May 2007...there's NO other family film during that time, at least none as big as Shrek is. Tradition goes, is that kid films, when they're all by themselves, like Cheaper by the Dozen, and several others, would do a LOT better than standing with other family films. Spider-Man 3 would definitely not be for the kiddies, and maybe Pirates 3, but I doubt it, but Shrek, course. I think Shrek against Pirates is going to be the main deal, and while Pirates 2 was both loved by the fans and by the fans of the 1st disappointed in the 2nd, it lost some audience and built some audience, so that in itself could affect the 3rd. Look at The Matrix Revolutions: 3rd in the trilogy, best of the sequels, and while Reloaded was sometimes stupid and all action, it did good in theaters, but in the long run, not many people wanted to see the 3rd. This, and Shrek, could kill Pirates 3 possibly.

 

[Dukeblue1016]

Okay, first off, before I say my commentary on this, let me just say that I'm probably one of the few here who hasn't seen DMC yet.

I didn't like 1st the first time around seeing it, thought it was pretty stupid, but on the second viewing, so I could remember what happened before I saw DMC, I liked it more the 2nd time around, but still, I had my problems with it. Hopefully, it doesn't have the same problems, the trilogy of POTC, as The Matrix sequels did, but everything points to that it does. I've been through many websites and through some of my friends who've seen it, and majority say, most of them do agree a 2nd viewing of DMC is almost required cause there's so much stuff going on, it's hard to take in the first time. That, and many really liked or loved the second, or they didn't like the second that much, and thought it wrecked it, like majority of the critics said with DMC. Not having seen DMC yet, obviously, can't make my opinon yet.

Spider-Man 3, DEFINITELY, I personally think, will be the crowning jewel of May 2007. It's bigger, better, and it's the sequel to one of the greatest and biggest endings that an action movie had. Spider-Man 3, from what I've heard, could take the cake, cause there's something for every age, and this one, as I've been hearing, *might* be the last of all of them, since it was designed to be a trilogy. There's 4 villains in this one, awesome new effects, more complexity, drama, and character relationships are about to get more complicated as seen in the trailer, as Mary Jane and Harry actually makes moves on each other!! PLUS, the fact of everyone asking WHY does Spider-Man have a black suit on will keep people coming back for more. I think Spider-Man WILL definitely get to be a HUGE money-maker, and being the end of the trilogy, more stuff involved, that'll attract people. That, and Spider-Man has got to be the BEST in superhero movie-wise, best sequels, originality, and it's complexity is untouched; only Batman Begins and Superman Returns can go along with that title.

Let me start off by saying... you make absolutely fantastic points... you do. However, clearly I've been entirely for POTC 3 to be bigger... and guess what... I like the Spider-man series better... so I'm not being biased!!!

Okay, here's the kicker... you say you've been researching SM 3 and found out about the more villians, and the more action and what not right? Do you think $135,000,000 worth of tix prices of people are doing that research as well??? (somewhere around 12-14 million people) I'm gonna say no... they aren't. Secondly, the previews will not indulge everyone as much because Peter Parker/Spider-man isn't as big a character as Jack Sparrow, also... Johnny Depp is a much more lovable and better actor than Toby MacGuire...

Also, you say it was the best ending to an action movie ever... but it really wasn't... the second one didn't end THAT incredibly... it was good, but not like... blown away... and... IT DID END... SM 2 ENDED... POTC 2 leaves you to want to come back for the third... I mean... you could see SM 2 and not see SM 3... you could... you can't for POTC 2 (if you enjoyed it) it'd be impossible to not see it... and... when you can choose to see something or not see it... when that's an option, there's a more liklihood you won't be in a rush to see it...

So, I'm not saying POTC 3 will be overall bigger, just the opening weekend... opening weekend talks only... will be significantly bigger... because if you liked the second one... you HAVE HAVE HAVE to see the third... and people in America like things immediately... so they'll go opening weekend... SM 3 is a new story-line with the same characters... I can go any weekend... no rush



ALSO... you say it's likely to be the final one which makes it more appealing... well what about Star Wars 3??? The first Star Wars is second on the all-time blockbuster list... clearly a big franchise... and they did something that had never been done before... made a trilogy, then made two prequels... then connected the prequels to the original trilogy... that's an absurd thing to do... but it didn't top SM... true, it made second (now third) on the opening weekend list... but having the final installment of a six movie franchise... and having it be the connection to 2 new movies with an extremely popular trilogy is A LOT more thrilling than just the third and final installment of a trilogy...

 

[DisneyRoxMySox]

I feel that PotC3 will be much bigger than Spider-man 3 and Shrek 3. How much money this film has made it 10 days, shows a strong base for the third. I don't see how anyone who saw the second movie, won't come back and see the third. Personally, I will think the third movie will do better than the second.

I don't know how I feel about them doing more that 3 Pirates movies. I am leaning towards no, only because, we don't want too much of a good thing, it might hurt it. Unless, they have great and I mean GREAT storylines. I think I read in a Johnny interview that he would only do more, if he thought the storylines were fantastic.

 

[t3techcom18]

Let me start off by saying... you make absolutely fantastic points... you do. However, clearly I've been entirely for POTC 3 to be bigger... and guess what... I like the Spider-man series better... so I'm not being biased!!!

Okay, here's the kicker... you say you've been researching SM 3 and found out about the more villians, and the more action and what not right? Do you think $135,000,000 worth of tix prices of people are doing that research as well??? (somewhere around 12-14 million people) I'm gonna say no... they aren't. Secondly, the previews will not indulge everyone as much because Peter Parker/Spider-man isn't as big a character as Jack Sparrow, also... Johnny Depp is a much more lovable and better actor than Toby MacGuire...

Also, you say it was the best ending to an action movie ever... but it really wasn't... the second one didn't end THAT incredibly... it was good, but not like... blown away... and... IT DID END... SM 2 ENDED... POTC 2 leaves you to want to come back for the third... I mean... you could see SM 2 and not see SM 3... you could... you can't for POTC 2 (if you enjoyed it) it'd be impossible to not see it... and... when you can choose to see something or not see it... when that's an option, there's a more liklihood you won't be in a rush to see it...

So, I'm not saying POTC 3 will be overall bigger, just the opening weekend... opening weekend talks only... will be significantly bigger...



ALSO... you say it's likely to be the final one which makes it more appealing... well what about Star Wars 3??? The first Star Wars is second on the all-time blockbuster list... clearly a big franchise... and they did something that had never been done before... made a trilogy, then made two prequels... then connected the prequels to the original trilogy... that's an absurd thing to do... but it didn't top SM... true, it made second (now third) on the opening weekend list... but having the final installment of a six movie franchise... and having it be the connection to 2 new movies with an extremely popular trilogy is A LOT more thrilling than just the third and final installment of a trilogy...

Movie buff actually, love reading entertainment news, lol. Well, Return of the Jedi...can't say much on that one cause I actually don't remember it all too well (last time I saw it was when i was 7, lol). BUT, Episode III...THAT one is a LOT more popular and got more people to see it, just like the same equation I'm going to think with SM3. Why? They wanted to see the answer and prime and ONLY reason the prequels for Star Wars as done: to see how an awesome 8 year old genius in Episode I went to a power-loving, anger-driven, suit-encased Darth Vader. Well, it's mostly the same deal here, except this time, it's to see what the meaning of the trailer is "The greatest battle lies within", and also being the black suit and, like every other franchise I've seen so far while I'm alive, I've seen that mostly everyone, if they go to the 1st, and don't see the 2nd, or see the 2nd they would want to see the 3rd, to see how everything ends up and gets resolved.

By the ending, well, it was a great ending, and not so much action ending (used those words cause I didn't know how to describe it til now), but it left me wanting a lot more and left the door straight and wide open with not one, but SEVERAL storylines that happens in the 3rd. And to just finish this up, I agree how many people could get turned off by Tobey McGuire, but, that's the main difference between Pirates and SM: SM's lead is more dramatic, while having funny moment, while Pirates' Captain Jack is the opposite, and what do people like more? People prefer comedy more than drama.