Tom P.
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You still go to Disney.
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Spending Less with Disney
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DisneyAndADoleWhip
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We stay offsite, eat breakfast and dinner at the condo, pack snacks.
We go to the Disney outlets and Walmart before we do the parks to cut down on souvenir costs.
We go to the Disney outlets and Walmart before we do the parks to cut down on souvenir costs.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Indeed...acceptance is the first step in recovery.
I do not - however - ardently defend everything they do...which is a documented mental deficiency
SirWillow
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No one goes there anymore. It's to crowded. ~Yogi Berra
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Half the game is 90% mental
eliza61nyc
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When you give them your money you pretty much say what they are doing is ok.
Does Disney, Iger or anyone really care if someone "defends" their policy or " complains"???
So what's the difference. I "defend" disney and give up the cash, you don't defend the things they do and give up the cash??
mental deficiency??Insanity. Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
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Tom P.
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You don't think that it's possible that there are some people who, rightly or wrongly, legitimately like the direction that Disney is going in the parks?
John park hopper
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When I try to save money going to WDW I don't look at it as trying to punish Disney. I look at it as being a frugal consumer. Money I save is money in my pocket I can spend elsewhere. It's like when I bought my RAM truck, there were dealer options that cost way more than I can buy elsewhere for far less. Am I trying to punish the dealer not at all/
eliza61nyc
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Lol, duck and cover dude, duck and cover. They stone people here who say they actually like Disney
JIMINYCR
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The numbers were down but they dramatically dropped after 911 as they did for travel to many other places. People were afraid of the next possible strike. Many vacation destinations ended up hurting from fear of air travel. Lots of businesses besides Disney took a hit for some time because of low numbers/sales and it took years for them to rebound.
I agree with you wholly and I think its great you are holding back, but unless massive groups of people do the same, youre not changing their way of doing things. The crowds are there and they are building all the time, so you hold back $$$ and someone else fills in the gap. You are doing your part which you feel you should do and thats commendable. But Disneys cash is still coming in just fine. I also agree Orlando has so much to offer, we travel off site to take advantage of that and its a shame more people dont see the things the area has to offer.
And I hear ya. I didn't start doing this with the illusion (nor purpose) that I was going to change anything. It was basically a screw this type of revelation (factoring in many decisions Disney was making) where I just got to the point of saying (thinking) there are other things in the surrounding area that are worth experiencing. I love going to Disney. Will go to Disney for the foreseeable future. But I find my loyalty to the brand not what it was, say five years ago.
Thingamabob
Active Member
The bottom line is you do what makes you feel happy and feel like you are doing what is right for you and your family. The next person may not agree, but who really cares. In the end Disney is going to survive and go on because we all know they are not hurting.
J_Carioca
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We still go, and we still like it. But we have stopped doing things like paying extra for Mickey's not-so-scary Halloween Party, and the Christmas party. I'm not going to pay hundreds of dollars extra on top of the tickets that I've already paid hundreds of dollars for. We spend less on souvenirs and other purchases. I won't pay for the extra access late night whatever things they dream up to get people to spend more money on. Instead of trying to + everything I try to be happy just going to the parks and enjoying myself. I'm at Disney; it's special already, or at least it should be. I don't need to make it "extra special" by spending even more money.
Thingamabob
Active Member
I agree with you on the extra events that cost money that they have added with the exception of the holiday ones maybe, but I still feel the frustration of hose. As for souvenirs before I go on a trip I tell myself I am going to spend and allotted amount on souvenirs. I usually end up with a T-Shirt and maybe something else small and that is it. Like you said, Disney is already a special place to go. There is no reason to try and make over the top only to when you get home see that you over spent and then you are miserable.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I was in the swamp watching revenue numbers during the year.
What people often forget is that Disney hotels that weee 99.3% occupancy during the 2000 shindig were in the 50-60% range in mid 2001.
Reasons were varied...but a likely culprit is that the MIDDLE class clientele - the one that made Disney parks what they are - postponed the “hit” of the dot.com financial recession and committed to “go anyway” during the millennium. That is a bit of an enigma in that it was a case where the mass effect bucked conventional travel logic.
Long story short is 01-02 would have been way down anyway...no matter what.
Just anecdotes.
It will be interesting to see how the next crash goes...”for the 50th”
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
And I think there are many in that boat. It’s not about “punishing” Disney or thinking you’re gonna bring the down...but it is something a wise business will look at over time to see if the model is still working.
I don’t think anyone suggested that was a possibility. But a collective “stiffening” would serve all the customers and there’s little counterargument. The “it’s worth it to ME” has always been an excuse for a sort of “financial immaturity” when it comes to the fans of Disney parks...in many if not most cases.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Sure there are...
...but it’s because they honestly don’t understand why they have worked as well as they have.
History has become a thing “of the past” for many in a Disney park. But it’s not just “the way it used to be”...it’s that decisions about investment and pricing and cross promotion were intricately woven together to create the reputation that causes people to go Gaga for it the first place.
There is a lot of substance to it. It’s not all emotional pressure points.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
When you give them your money you pretty much say what they are doing is ok.
Does Disney, Iger or anyone really care if someone "defends" their policy or " complains"???
So what's the difference. I "defend" disney and give up the cash, you don't defend the things they do and give up the cash??
Insanity. Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
I love ya, Liz...
But you continually miss on this one point.
No doubt that WDW - in particular - is an incredible financial success story and continues to be. But the reason it got to this point where spray tan bob can drain it is because of what they invested to get it there...and that is an unseen “balance” that is beyond just the cash register.
When long standing, high spending clientele like Scorp and I draw back...it’s a problem.
The counter to that is always: “somebody is there to take their place”. What a tremendous myth from the young...because by every single economic indicator - they’re gonna be broke. They need a loan from a boomer or a gen x to back up the talk
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Thingamabob
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Do you think there would be a collective "stiffening" from all or even a large percentage of the die hard Disney goers?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
On the surface...no.
But...as much as that’s conventional wisdom - the history of products and modern retail has shown that anything can dip substantially - or outright fall.
I don’t think I’m qualified to predict anything to a level or surety