Soarin' image quality

[janoimagine]

Iger is aware of issues with Soarin' and has appropriated funds to address it, both in refreshing the attraction with a new updated film, and increasing capacity. What else do you think he should do?

How about light a fire under whomever the manager or department responsible for the upkeep and quality of the attraction is because it looks as bad as a dollar theater but your paying about 90% more to enjoy it. Its a headlining attraction and should never have gotten a quarter as bad as it is now.

 

[janoimagine]

Wow...I'll take "things I never knew for $200 Alex".... Interesting. It would seem to me that IMAX would have standards that have to be met in order to purchase or use their technology as it is so high tech and crucial to how their product is brought to market but in this case apparently not.

Californias version has a pseudo clean room system, what we have in Orlando is another example of cost cutting.

EDIT: Late to the party.

 

[flynnibus]

A maintenance guy with some canned air and a microfiber could make big improvements in one overnight. I would even volunteer to do it for them. Film projector cleaning is not rocket science.

Remember IMAX is it's own beast. The film is 'sucked' down in the rolling loop system to keep the film steady in front of the lens. It's got a vacuum holding the film in place.. so the whole clean air thing is a big deal

 

[NelsonRD]

Californias version has a pseudo clean room system, what we have in Orlando is another example of cost cutting.

EDIT: Late to the party.

It has been discussed the reason the Orlando version does not have a clean room was the intent all along was to support digital media. Not everything has a cost cutting goal.

With that being said, as a consumer, I agree that it should have been addressed earlier.
As a businessman, I understand why it hasn't been addressed, with updates on the horizon.
As an engineer, I understand why it was built the way it was.

 

[Tom Morrow]

It has been discussed the reason the Orlando version does not have a clean room was the intent all along was to support digital media. Not everything has a cost cutting goal.

They've had nearly 10 years to do that, so not replacing it at this point is a cost-cutting goal.

 

[NelsonRD]

They've had nearly 10 years to do that, so not replacing it at this point is a cost-cutting goal.

That is because the film has degraded to the point where even the most casual observer is beginning to notice.

It is like driving your car knowing it needs tires but waiting until it won't pass inspection before you replace them. It is not necessarily a cost measure, but more of a priority.

Disney is not some cheap-o because they aren't continually replacing everything, but simply prioritizing what needs to be addressed in what order.

 

[NelsonRD]

It just cracks me up. I have been member on this form for only a few weeks and already everybody on this board is a better imagineer, CEO, and CFO.

They have a budget, it is large, but that does not make it unlimited.

At your job on Monday suggest they should fix every problem NOW and see what that gets you - especially if your company is operating pretty well the way it is.

 

[copcarguyp71]

 

[flynnibus]

It is like driving your car knowing it needs tires but waiting until it won't pass inspection before you replace them. It is not necessarily a cost measure, but more of a priority.

Disney is not some cheap-o because they aren't continually replacing everything, but simply prioritizing what needs to be addressed in what order.

Like prioritize short term profits over what the company says its about? Yes, we agree.

Replacing film stock is not a one time thing - what we have here is a systematic failure to maintain the quality of show the business was FOUNDED UPON. The film is shown dozens of times a day 365 days a year. It is a KNOWN consumable that should be replaced on a regular, predictable schedule.

They knew when they built the place that there was no digital equivalent for the 70mm experience on the near term horizon... its still not here, 10 years later. The idea they skipped out because they were going to go digital is a nice revisionist tale... that even if true shows a shortsighted cheap-out because you don't build the clean environment for longevity but for RIGHT NOW operation.

And the idea you've only been here since last month... I highly doubt as well.. no matter when you created this account.

 

[NelsonRD]

Like prioritize short term profits over what the company says its about? Yes, we agree.

Replacing film stock is not a one time thing - what we have here is a systematic failure to maintain the quality of show the business was FOUNDED UPON. The film is shown dozens of times a day 365 days a year. It is a KNOWN consumable that should be replaced on a regular, predictable schedule.

They knew when they built the place that there was no digital equivalent for the 70mm experience on the near term horizon... its still not here, 10 years later. The idea they skipped out because they were going to go digital is a nice revisionist tale... that even if true shows a shortsighted cheap-out because you don't build the clean environment for longevity but for RIGHT NOW operation.

And the idea you've only been here since last month... I highly doubt as well.. no matter when you created this account.

I am not disagreeing with you that the condition of Soarin' is unacceptable, and was not properly maintained. I noticed dust on the film as far back as 2009. Unfortunately, temporary solutions sometimes become permanent. The debate is we cannot change the past, so what needs to be done to more forward, which Disney is now doing.

And your right, I have been a voyeur on this forum for some time, but only recently started to add comments.

 

[flynnibus]

The debate is we cannot change the past, so what needs to be done to more forward, which Disney is now doing.

Remind me what that is again? Because if I'm not mistaken.. that answer is still... NOTHING. Thousands of paying customers go through the attraction every day with it still in this subpar state with Disney doing nothing about it.. and nothing on the near term horizon to address it either.

So forget the past... what is Disney doing about it RIGHT NOW? That's right.. nothing.

So where is your defense again? Oh yes, complacency and keep on truckin..

And your right, I have been a voyeur on this forum for some time, but only recently started to add comments.

riiiighhhht

 

[NelsonRD]

Remind me what that is again? Because if I'm not mistaken.. that answer is still... NOTHING. Thousands of paying customers go through the attraction every day with it still in this subpar state with Disney doing nothing about it.. and nothing on the near term horizon to address it either.

So forget the past... what is Disney doing about it RIGHT NOW? That's right.. nothing.

So where is your defense again? Oh yes, complacency and keep on truckin..



riiiighhhht

It has already been explained. Did you throw the same tantrum when you didn't get a toy you wanted NOW as a kid?

I hate to tell you, but the thousands of paying customers that visit it each day you reference, love it.

 

[NelsonRD]

Remind me what that is again? Because if I'm not mistaken.. that answer is still... NOTHING. Thousands of paying customers go through the attraction every day with it still in this subpar state with Disney doing nothing about it.. and nothing on the near term horizon to address it either.

So forget the past... what is Disney doing about it RIGHT NOW? That's right.. nothing.

So where is your defense again? Oh yes, complacency and keep on truckin..



riiiighhhht

You want Disney's number 1 priority to fix things, and I am trying to tell you that is not the top priority right now. Disney has a capacity problem, that needs to be addressed first. I started to explain this in another thread about how bad or cheap disney has become, which I am arguing against.

Fixing and adding more e tickets will only add to the problem of overcrowding. Most of the expansions and upgrades disney is working on focus on crown control, and sustaining the larger number of guests coming back each year.

You will see the capacity of soarin increase, toy story increase, etc... Sorry in the meantime this all means precious soarin will have a little dust. But hopefully in the future the waits will drop.

 

[flynnibus]

You want Disney's number 1 priority to fix things, and I am trying to tell you that is not the top priority right now. Disney has a capacity problem, that needs to be addressed first. I started to explain this in another thread about how bad or cheap disney has become, which I am arguing against.

So you agree they aren't doing anything about it now (even tho you said they are) and your whole 'they are fixing capacity first' is just garbage because these problems were the same BEFORE capacity became a problem. You know, back when Disney was discounting the heck out of everything to keep their numbers up during the recession? Did they fix show then? Nope... so just stop that garbage.

You're just pitching the typical line of "yes disney IS doing stuff, just not YOUR stuff". A nice argument you can make for a few months... what happens when it's 1,2,5,10 years? Then what's your excuse? Show quality is not something I made up... it's Disney's ideal.

And last I checked... SHOW was above efficiency in the company priorities it trains every park employee in. But exactly as I said... the company doesn't actually follow it's own ideals anymore. It's all just a spiel.

Your 'in the meantime' excuse is about 15 years expired. Stop living in the land of future promises and face that you have to live with yesterday, today, AND the future.

 

[flynnibus]

I hate to tell you, but the thousands of paying customers that visit it each day you reference, love it.

The thousands of customers, and the millions before them over the last 5+ years you've discounted as not deserving because Disney is now planning on changes in the future that don't actually address the show quality.

You are quite a piece of work. I look forward to when you snap and fall out of character.

 

[marni1971]

I hate to tell you, but the thousands of paying customers that visit it each day you reference, love it.

It'd be nice if they reinvested a large chunk of what those thousands are paying each day back into the parks.

Think about that the next time a chunk of the HoP falls into Liberty Square during park hours instead of third shift due to lack of maintainence.

 

[NelsonRD]

The thousands of customers, and the millions before them over the last 5+ years you've discounted as not deserving because Disney is now planning on changes in the future that don't actually address the show quality.

You are quite a piece of work. I look forward to when you snap and fall out of character.

So I am a piece of work for basically agreeing with you? The difference is that this should have been addressed in 2009, not now. Now, with a rumored refurbishment on the way to add the third theater and new film is not the time to simply address this attraction twice.

I did not discount and anybody as not deserving. I simply stated that most people are not as critical as us. I went recently with my in-laws, and they were obvilious to the film - although it was painful for me to enjoy.

Disney is addressing the issues, isn't that what you want?

 

[networkpro]

They should just rename it to Blurrin' over California

 

[Disneyhead'71]

It has already been explained. Did you throw the same tantrum when you didn't get a toy you wanted NOW as a kid?

I hate to tell you, but the thousands of paying customers that visit it each day you reference, love it.

Millions love McD's pink slime McNuggets too.

 

[NelsonRD]

Millions love McD's pink slime McNuggets too.

The pink slime was a hoax. But, somebody said it, so you believe it as true. Just like we see things at Disney and assume Disney is run by a bunch of cheap, mean, people that just don't care.