Soarin' image quality

Kamikaze

Well-Known Member
It is not the responsibility of the CEO to manage how much dust is on the Soarin' film, or how many ceiling tiles are missing from small world, or how many light bulbs are out on the boat in Splash Mountain. He relies on the trust of his management team to keep the day to day operations of the levels below him successful.

Iger is aware of issues with Soarin' and has appropriated funds to address it, both in refreshing the attraction with a new updated film, and increasing capacity. What else do you think he should do?

It IS the responsibility of the CEO (by delegation, mind you) to make sure things are held up to standard. If manager A (and the employees/attractions/properties/etc that manager A is responsible for) isn't correctly living up to that standard, he needs to be replaced.

The problem is that the standard now isn't what the standard was when Eisner was in charge.

If manager A fails to live up to today's standard, and he is not held accountable by the next person up the chain, then yes, Iger is responsible. Maybe not directly, but the culture is indicative of him. Because that chain eventually leads up to Iger.
 

Chef Mickey

Well-Known Member
It is not the responsibility of the CEO to manage how much dust is on the Soarin' film, or how many ceiling tiles are missing from small world, or how many light bulbs are out on the boat in Splash Mountain. He relies on the trust of his management team to keep the day to day operations of the levels below him successful.

Iger is aware of issues with Soarin' and has appropriated funds to address it, both in refreshing the attraction with a new updated film, and increasing capacity. What else do you think he should do?
Actually, it is.

It speaks to a larger problem that isn't just a "one off" management slip up. It's a culture and status quo that has been accepted at the WDW parks in particular that has so many of us troubled. Maintenance has no question suffered the most under Iger at WDW. Innovation, expansion, and show integrity have lacked tremendously as well.
 

NelsonRD

Well-Known Member
Actually, it is.

It speaks to a larger problem that isn't just a "one off" management slip up. It's a culture and status quo that has been accepted at the WDW parks in particular that has so many of us troubled. Maintenance has no question suffered the most under Iger at WDW. Innovation, expansion, and show integrity have lacked tremendously as well.

I understand the idea that ultimately the CEO is responsible for everything, however, the idea that Iger should focus on every detail is micro-management.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
I understand the idea that ultimately the CEO is responsible for everything, however, the idea that Iger should focus on every detail is micro-management.
Yes, ultimately the CEO is responsible for the upkeep of the parks. No one expects him to put on white gloves and check for dust, but, he does have the responsibility to inquire as to the condition of the parks and make it clear that if those standards are not met, the immediate manager will subsequently no longer be issued that big check. The managers at WDW are focused on making immediate money, not what's going to happen tomorrow and that is because that feeling comes down from the top. Your job might be in jeopardy if the bottom line is weak, but, cutting costs to improve that while at the same time declining quality will get them nothing but praise. It's all a matter of the priorities set up by the CEO.

That is where Walt had the advantage. Yes, he worried about profits, but not above quality. He, however, was in it for the long haul and had a personal pride in what he was showing to the public. He wasn't waiting until the stock had reached a high then retire and wander off with a golden parachute that would choke a horse. Allowing him to buy an Island in the Bahama's and live happily ever after.
 

Chef Mickey

Well-Known Member
I understand the idea that ultimately the CEO is responsible for everything, however, the idea that Iger should focus on every detail is micro-management.
No, it's not. I don't think Iger should personally call the ride manager of Soarin' and explain the importance of clean film and a good show. What I do expect is Iger facilitate the development of a culture at WDW that demands quality, maintenance, and accountability. All of that is severely lacking, particularly at WDW. DL has much better maintenance, including Soarin' film quality.

It's not like Soarin' is the only attraction with major show issues. It's a disease at WDW and that is ultimately Iger's fault.
 
Last edited:

flynnibus

Premium Member
I understand the idea that ultimately the CEO is responsible for everything, however, the idea that Iger should focus on every detail is micro-management.

Not micro-management.. but accountability and standards of performance are in the leadership's court.

and... Eisner's direct muddling with park standards, design, and features was well known :)
 

NelsonRD

Well-Known Member
No, it's not. I don't think Iger should personally call the ride manager of Soarin' and explain the importance of clean film and a good show. What I do expect is Iger facilitate the development of a culture at WDW that demands quality, maintenance, and accountability. All of that is severely lacking, particularly at WDW. DL has much better maintenance, including Soarin' film quality.

It's not like Soarin' is the only attraction with major show issues. It's a disease at WDW and that is ultimately Iger's fault.

Right now, the current focus of the Orlando theme parks is capacity. The parks have seen record attendance in the parks that are struggling to handle the throughput, and sustain these levels for the future. Most attention has been placed on how to handle and distribute the crowds. This includes everything from the way the parks were expanded, to what new technology has been implemented to assist with this.

Disney has to address this area first. Creating more E-ticket attractions will only add to the problem of crowds and waits. One area that Disney has shown to do poorly on with guest surveys is the crowds and waits being the biggest reason guests may not return as often as Disney would like.

Soarin' in Epcot is a different attraction. An NYC taxi driver told me that it was never designed to be a clone of Disneyland. This could explain why it was not built with a clean room for the projection. What is concerning is why has taken so long to be the attraction it was designed to be. My guess is that Futureworld is only running on 3 cylinders right now, and taking Soarin' out of service for updates without something new would hurt too much. Unfortunately, most people that ride Soarin' just don't know any better.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Right now, the current focus of the Orlando theme parks is capacity. The parks have seen record attendance in the parks that are struggling to handle the throughput, and sustain these levels for the future. Most attention has been placed on how to handle and distribute the crowds. This includes everything from the way the parks were expanded, to what new technology has been implemented to assist with this.

Disney has to address this area first. Creating more E-ticket attractions will only add to the problem of crowds and waits. One area that Disney has shown to do poorly on with guest surveys is the crowds and waits being the biggest reason guests may not return as often as Disney would like.

Soarin' in Epcot is a different attraction. An NYC taxi driver told me that it was never designed to be a clone of Disneyland. This could explain why it was not built with a clean room for the projection. What is concerning is why has taken so long to be the attraction it was designed to be. My guess is that Futureworld is only running on 3 cylinders right now, and taking Soarin' out of service for updates without something new would hurt too much. Unfortunately, most people that ride Soarin' just don't know any better.
Does a NYC taxi driver have approximately the same credibility as the Disney Bus Drivers?
 

copcarguyp71

Well-Known Member
Imax calls for a clean room standard for the projection booth. The Epcot booth does not meet the criteria.

Wow...I'll take "things I never knew for $200 Alex".... Interesting. It would seem to me that IMAX would have standards that have to be met in order to purchase or use their technology as it is so high tech and crucial to how their product is brought to market but in this case apparently not.
 

copcarguyp71

Well-Known Member
Supposedly he's rumored to be the Golfer that swings the Hidden mickey golf ball while you fly by...

Also it seemed really weird when he posted a pic on his instagram standing in front of SDL's tron coaster when he has nothing to do with the company...
eisner.jpg

No weirder than photo ops with Meg Crofton...she does about as much with the parks as Eisner :eek:...did I just type that...oh, sorry it was a thought in my head that came out of my fingertips....
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Wow...I'll take "things I never knew for $200 Alex".... Interesting. It would seem to me that IMAX would have standards that have to be met in order to purchase or use their technology as it is so high tech and crucial to how their product is brought to market but in this case apparently not.

Sometimes the bigger guy and the 'customer is always right..' wins out. Think about how big of a customer Disney is to IMAX in terms of # of IMAX systems disney has bought...
 

JohnD

Well-Known Member
Hate to start another negative thread, but the quality of the image at Soarin' is looking pretty dismal these days. Dust on the screen has been a problem for a while, but now the image has become even more blurry, grainy, and on my last ride, grid lines kept appearing across the screen. Has anyone else seen that? And what would cause that?

Soarin' needed new projectors two years ago. I fear that they will use the current setup until "Soarin' Around the World" finally happens, and who knows when that will happen?

Yes, they're very aware of that. Which is why, in conjunction with a new theatre, and new movie, the quality will be upgraded. Patience, my young padawan!
 

JohnD

Well-Known Member
Supposedly he's rumored to be the Golfer that swings the Hidden mickey golf ball while you fly by...

Also it seemed really weird when he posted a pic on his instagram standing in front of SDL's tron coaster when he has nothing to do with the company...
eisner.jpg

Not rumored. He IS the golfer.
 

Chef Mickey

Well-Known Member
Right now, the current focus of the Orlando theme parks is capacity. The parks have seen record attendance in the parks that are struggling to handle the throughput, and sustain these levels for the future. Most attention has been placed on how to handle and distribute the crowds. This includes everything from the way the parks were expanded, to what new technology has been implemented to assist with this.

Disney has to address this area first. Creating more E-ticket attractions will only add to the problem of crowds and waits. One area that Disney has shown to do poorly on with guest surveys is the crowds and waits being the biggest reason guests may not return as often as Disney would like.

Soarin' in Epcot is a different attraction. An NYC taxi driver told me that it was never designed to be a clone of Disneyland. This could explain why it was not built with a clean room for the projection. What is concerning is why has taken so long to be the attraction it was designed to be. My guess is that Futureworld is only running on 3 cylinders right now, and taking Soarin' out of service for updates without something new would hurt too much. Unfortunately, most people that ride Soarin' just don't know any better.
Theme park attendance at WDW has increased steadily each year, almost without exception. I've been critical of Iger in this respect as well. It's not like theme park attendance doubled year over year so he's kind of stuck. This has been coming for a while and part of his job is to expand the parks to offset increased crowds.

He's cramming more and more people in the parks to squeeze more margin from the turnip. However, he's not increasing capacity and content in a meaningful way to match increased attendance. I've been beating the expansion drum for years and the only thing he's done to meaningfully expand the parks is New Fantasyland, for which I've given him credit.

I've been quoted here multuiple times saying attendance and space have to be addressed, perhaps both. If we can't have the space, increase ticket prices or guest limits to bring the attendance down that way. The experience is suffering because Iger has allowed a "Wild West" WDW.

Cram as many people in as possible, close attractions, lower maintenance budget, lower quality, and increase prices on everything. That's our current WDW under Iger.​

It doesn't have to be all space increases as in developing new land for each park. It could just be NOT closing entire areas of EPCOT, DHS, and add a few "crowd eater" attractions. Omnimover anyone?

Overall, Iger has done a great job sucking margin out of people. He's done a terrible job developing the parks and maintaining an incredible experience you expect from Disney.

It's a long way of saying he should have been addressing capacity the last 7-8 years, not now with things that won't be ready for several years.
 

Tom Morrow

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Yes, they're very aware of that. Which is why, in conjunction with a new theatre, and new movie, the quality will be upgraded. Patience, my young padawan!
Yes, but the image quality has been bad for a while and should have been addressed already. Using "well there are plans to upgrade it at some point in the future!" Isn't an excuse. It's not fair to people who are paying these premium prices to experience it today.
 

Marc Gil

Well-Known Member
Well, I guess we won't see any improvement until the rumored refurb that's coming up.... If that's even a thing anymore, that is.
 

JohnD

Well-Known Member
Yes, but the image quality has been bad for a while and should have been addressed already. Using "well there are plans to upgrade it at some point in the future!" Isn't an excuse. It's not fair to people who are paying these premium prices to experience it today.

Let's say they do what you suggest you do. The reaction on this forum, looking for anything to pin Iger and Disney would would be, "WTH! Typical Iger and Disney. Close down a very popular ride when they're going to put in a new film anyway. There are very few rides in FW to begin with, two of which aren't worth riding (Energy and Imagination) and they're going to close Soarin??!!! Why do back to back refurbs when it can be done at the same time!"

To me it makes no sense. I'd do it all at the same time. The new filming is confirmed. The new theatre is all but confirmed. You can do it in phases, keeping two theatres open at all times until entirely complete. Build Theatre 3 with all new technology then open it. Close Theatre 1 and keep Theatre 2 open. Refurb Theatre 1 with all new technology. Open it, then close Theatre 2. When Theatre 2 is refurbed, open it. When all three are open, introduce the new film.

But nope can't do that. Using your logic, the entire thing has to be closed down NOW. Refurb the existing film. Reopen it. Then close it down again (maybe in the phases as above). It's insanity more than is necessary.
 
Last edited:

Tom Morrow

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Except changing out the film stock and projector wouldnt require a closure and could likely be done overnight.

Don't make excuses because they irresponsibly ran it far beyond its lifespan. You wouldn't accept a movie theater with this quality, why should it be okay for a major attraction and a premium priced theme park? It also don't help that the quality of he image is about 80% of the Soarin' experience.

Also this forum is always in favor of refurbishments if it means repairs and improvements.
 

Register on WDWMAGIC. This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.

Back
Top Bottom