OneofThree
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So why weren't there many strollers back in the day?
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Tk0021
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I guess you know everyone with a stroller personally.
OneofThree
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You really should read the thread.
crxbrett
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I meant guilty of just putting the child in the stroller when it may not be what is best for the kid at that moment in time. I see it often where a kid is crying or wants or needs something and the parent basically makes the kid to get into the stroller to keep them quiet and not have to deal with them. To me that's lazy parenting and sort of disregarding the child's potential needs. If a kid wants a nap or needs a break, sure. I get that. Let the kid jump in to rest their legs. And the parent may need a break from holding the child all day, too. I totally understand that and am not saying that is wrong or bad or lazy at all.
But to use the stroller or a tablet or phone as a device to avoid dealing with the kid whenever things aren't going rosy is not good. I am not against strollers. I am against people using them for more than what they are designed to be and abusing the stroller's usage.
The problem is, making things easier isn't necessarily always right, though. In this case, if a parent wants their kid in the stroller so they basically can ignore the kid's cries or so they don't have to listen to the child asking for attention or the child wanting to be held or wanting something else - then yes, they are guilty of being a lazy parent and not being attentive to the child's needs. And there are parents who are guilty of doing this.
GUILTY! lol Just kidding. Hope that clears up what I meant when I said some parents are guilty.
Tk0021
Active Member
I have why do you keep saying that?
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
Quick question for you. How many kids do you have?Oh, I don't know. Maybe the same sort of guilt which comes from relying on a phone, tablet, school, or the government to "raise" their children instead getting off of their lazy and self-interested, self-consumed behinds.
Tk0021
Active Member
I don’t mean to just question your post. I rarely come on here and comment on these types of topics. I usually just post comments trying to help people’s vacations, but for some reason this one bothers me. There are many factors to why there are more strollers in the park. The situation you mention above does happen and happen all to often, but just because you see it happen in that moment doesn’t mean it happens all the time in that families life. It appears people are judging others just by seeing one moment in someone’s life.
To use myself as an example: you will see me with a stroller at Disney and think that I push my kids around everywhere. You judge me as a parent that babies my children and won’t make them walk. Well you would be wrong. We don’t have a stroller at home but we will use one in Disney. Why? Because my family wants to spend as much time in the park as we can and having the kids spend some time in a stroller allows us to do that. Disney has done their job and they have made us want to spend as much time as we can in the parks so we can spend more money. They have added attractions over the years to keep us there. My kids being able to sit in a stroller for awhile and maybe even taking a nap let’s that happen, but that’s not the only reason there are more strollers.
People are willing to take younger children to the park then they were in the past. It’s common place now to see many new borns at the park and that’s not only Disney it’s everywhere, local amusement parks, the zoo, a baseball game. That just didn’t happen when I was a kid. My parents generation just didn’t do that.
Yes, I think lazy parenting is a factor. There is no doubt in my mind that this is a social issue, but to paint everyone with stroller with that broad brush isn’t right.
OneofThree
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xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
I did read it. Not a thorough, memorizing read, but a casual, cursory read. It is a WDW forum, not that serious. Anyhoo.... Did you already disclose the number of offspring you've brought into the world? If so I must have missed it.
In fairness to me, your posts in this thread are hard to get through, a lot of condescension and anger.
OneofThree
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It's actually pretty simple. While I don't pour over posts either, I do go back and scan before asking a question which has already been answered -discourse 101. Otherwise, it's probably going to be tough to be taken seriously.
Sorry you're struggling, or if you feel targeted.
disneyflush
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Lets all sit around and debate the merits of coddling your children too much while on their top 1% premium family vacation to the largest kid-friendly resort in the world. WDW is the very definition of coddling your kids too much. I took out a 2nd mortgage to pay for this trip and its 100% more crowded than I thought it would be here. If I spot an opportunity for my child to not scream from exhaustion on the bus ride home and take the daggers of judgmental eyes because of it then I beg your forgiveness if I take it and push the limits of what might be an ACCEPTABLE age for a child to use a stroller. There is no perfect way to parent. No one knows the optimal plan because every kid is different. People judging other parents if their kids have a tablet in their hands, just stop. As the prices go up so does the desperation of mom and dad to make the trip perfect. This is once in a lifetime for 95% of people who go. The fan on my stroller isn't for luxury or status, its because this place is hot as $%## and I'm trying to keep Sally from throwing up her Mickey ice cream and chicken nuggets we made her eat all of (with these prices nothing is going in the trash except for the plate or wrapper) at breakneck speed because there is NO WAY we are missing our 1:15 PM fast pass for TSMM.
No parent in their right mind would choose the week of WDW vacation to draw the line on convenience/comfort for their kid(s) while trying to navigate a (usually) hot, humid, sprawling theme park. Is it about entitlement? Yep. I paid $6,000 and planned this dream vacation over and over in my mind over the last 6 months while pre-planning my rides and food and resort. I've had to run through this vacation hypothetically at least 20 times to make sure I choose the right options on where we will be and when just to plan things that make sense. When I get down there from Indiana and hit the parks, finally and for real this time, my absolute last concern is that my 5 year old should be walking the 7 miles per day right next to me and share in the blisters and sweat because society deems she is 'too soft'. Her stroller has a fan in it because WDW is usually a sauna and I worry about her overheating. Its not because she is the 2nd coming of Cleopatra and needs feel no discomfort while being transported. The whole point of taking a family vacation is to have fun and minimize the ways that fun can be sapped away. Parents know an exhausted child's mindset and strive to avoid it. WDW doesn't need to be a ninja warrior course for my kids. Parks are crowded, nerves are frayed, we all do the best we can to make the vacation the best it can possibly be. Tablets? Yep. Fans? Yep. Literally anything I think will make the vacation better. So I'm a poor parent because I let my kid learn from a tablet instead of my mouth or watch a movie while we wait in a 90 minute line. I know what makes my kid tick, you do not. Our Magic Kingdom day is running out of time and I'm desperate to find a magical memory before we have our first meltdown and have to go back to the resort for a nap. I got zero time to worry about your nonsense.
The original question was 'Why weren't there more strollers back in the day?' and my answer is, 'I have no idea.' I guess they are better now. You can fit things on them like drinks and diaper-bags. They have shade in parks where trees have been thinned out over the years. They are a resting place for kids when it feels like benches have been forsaken over the years. They are more like a pushable operations center for our family. We have used them each trip down with my kids. Single umbrella all the way to double stroller deluxe. Our vacations would have been worse without them. Mostly its because there are more people and more people using them means they are everywhere. They are a pain to get on the buses. Finding a place for them in the vehicle for the drive down isn't great. I hate trying to find it after we get off a ride. But this is a product of our own creation. I NEED that thing. As prices rise so do tempers in the parks. So do the feelings of NEED with regard to meeting THAT princess or riding THAT ride. For parents that want their kids to have the best of the best, that NEED is starting to have sharper edges as it relates to other guests. The price elevations are honing those edges into sharp things for a lot of those people. Sorry, to rant. VIVA LA STROLLER!
No parent in their right mind would choose the week of WDW vacation to draw the line on convenience/comfort for their kid(s) while trying to navigate a (usually) hot, humid, sprawling theme park. Is it about entitlement? Yep. I paid $6,000 and planned this dream vacation over and over in my mind over the last 6 months while pre-planning my rides and food and resort. I've had to run through this vacation hypothetically at least 20 times to make sure I choose the right options on where we will be and when just to plan things that make sense. When I get down there from Indiana and hit the parks, finally and for real this time, my absolute last concern is that my 5 year old should be walking the 7 miles per day right next to me and share in the blisters and sweat because society deems she is 'too soft'. Her stroller has a fan in it because WDW is usually a sauna and I worry about her overheating. Its not because she is the 2nd coming of Cleopatra and needs feel no discomfort while being transported. The whole point of taking a family vacation is to have fun and minimize the ways that fun can be sapped away. Parents know an exhausted child's mindset and strive to avoid it. WDW doesn't need to be a ninja warrior course for my kids. Parks are crowded, nerves are frayed, we all do the best we can to make the vacation the best it can possibly be. Tablets? Yep. Fans? Yep. Literally anything I think will make the vacation better. So I'm a poor parent because I let my kid learn from a tablet instead of my mouth or watch a movie while we wait in a 90 minute line. I know what makes my kid tick, you do not. Our Magic Kingdom day is running out of time and I'm desperate to find a magical memory before we have our first meltdown and have to go back to the resort for a nap. I got zero time to worry about your nonsense.
The original question was 'Why weren't there more strollers back in the day?' and my answer is, 'I have no idea.' I guess they are better now. You can fit things on them like drinks and diaper-bags. They have shade in parks where trees have been thinned out over the years. They are a resting place for kids when it feels like benches have been forsaken over the years. They are more like a pushable operations center for our family. We have used them each trip down with my kids. Single umbrella all the way to double stroller deluxe. Our vacations would have been worse without them. Mostly its because there are more people and more people using them means they are everywhere. They are a pain to get on the buses. Finding a place for them in the vehicle for the drive down isn't great. I hate trying to find it after we get off a ride. But this is a product of our own creation. I NEED that thing. As prices rise so do tempers in the parks. So do the feelings of NEED with regard to meeting THAT princess or riding THAT ride. For parents that want their kids to have the best of the best, that NEED is starting to have sharper edges as it relates to other guests. The price elevations are honing those edges into sharp things for a lot of those people. Sorry, to rant. VIVA LA STROLLER!
OneofThree
Well-Known Member
Sounds like the stroller is the least of your problems. That aside, we yet again seem to have an issue with skewing the conversation, as I'm not sure anyone at all has suggested that a 5-year old should be expected to walk at Disney World.
Yes.
There's nature, and then there's nurture. In most ways, your children's needs and abilities aren't novel. What you've done, and continue to do as a parent is a different story. It's a fact -it's unhealthy for children to be sat in front of screens. Likewise, there is no good reason why an 8-year old should be stuffed into a stroller at Disney due to inept or lazy parents when there is otherwise no need.
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
I'm not really here to be taken seriously. It's a Walt Disney World fan forum. I have my own thoughts about parenting, I have 2 kids FWIW, but I'm not gonna come on WDWMagic and berate people over it. It's a strange thing to do. This isn't "discourse 101" it's message board about a theme park resort.
Reader's Digest version -- blame it on Bob Iger.
OneofThree
Well-Known Member
I agree.
Discourse takes many forms, and internet forums are just one of them, by definition. General principles apply.
Done.
Tom P.
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I agree with the thrust of your statement, and I certainly think that folks need to dial back the judgement and anger a lot. But, to be fair, it's kind of hard to discuss the question of why there are more strollers in the parks now than in the 70's without some discussion of parenting.Please refrain from engaging in yet another parenting argument.Thank you.
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
Do you though? Because, it doesn’t seem like you do.
OneofThree
Well-Known Member
Of course it doesn't, because I don't happen to share your opinion.
Often, the truth and the associated facts are inconvenient, sometimes bordering on downright uncomfortable. If I were the delicate sort, I'd probably avoid them, myself.
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
Huh?Of course it doesn't, because I don't happen to share your opinion.