News Smoking locations updated at the Magic Kingdom

Br’er Rabbit

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Its not what we think, the company that runs the Parks classifies them the same as Smoking.... only in the designated areas. While its less impactful on the consumers not having their alveoli pop like little balloons from the heated smoke, the chemical composition of the 2nd hand vapor from the alternative hasnt had any rigorous studies concluding it as harmless.

I’ve seen cast members be more lenient on vapers though. I assume becasue most vapers take one puff and they’re done. While smokers have to light the cigarette and then it’s constsntly smelling as long as it’s lit. It’s easier for a cast member to ask someone to put out a cigarette vs stop vaping which they’ve already finished.
 

Br’er Rabbit

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I don't expect it, but just sharing my point of view on how smoking affects me in places most do not even realize. For someone with a severe allergy to cigarette smoke, it is a challenge just going about your normal day like driving to work or going to the store.

People are allergic to peanut butter. Should we ban all peanut butter from the parks as well?
 

jaklgreen

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People are allergic to peanut butter. Should we ban all peanut butter from the parks as well?

Some places like Ghirardellis do ban peanut butter. And I never said that they should ban smoking in the parks. I said that people should be able to go a few days without smoking while in the parks. Stop reading into things that are not there. I have every right to express how things affect me. You do not agree, that is fine. But don't start making ridiculous correlations between 2 things that have nothing to do with each other. And I am sure that if people were puffing peanut butter and it was going into the air that it could possible cause great harm to others, then they would probably ban it. Just like airlines do not serve peanuts anymore and make an announcement that there is someone with a peanut allergy on board.
 

smile

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From Wikipedia. There are sources linked there.
Actually, this is true. Several states along with several Countries make it illegal to smoke in your private vehicle with anyone under 18 in it.
https://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2016/07/is_it_illegal_to_smoke_in_a_ca.html

several states have not yet made this a law, tho - in the us, i only see it's 'illegal' in ca, as in punishable...
so, to say that several states have passed laws making it illegal is misleading, right? it hasn't yet quite gained the steam it should.

certainly not nonsense, tho... so, apologies @networkpro - just saw a broad brush painting half-truth
... considering it widespead (or national, which you didn't do) flirts with internet myth and doesn't help the cause (folks think it's a law when it actually isn't)
 

JennSmith

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I don't expect it, but just sharing my point of view on how smoking affects me in places most do not even realize. For someone with a severe allergy to cigarette smoke, it is a challenge just going about your normal day like driving to work or going to the store.
Okay...fair enough. I understand.
 

LAKid53

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I wonder if the same ones would back making drinking illegal. That kills a lot more innocent people then smoking ever did. Seems like I remember reading about that happening... if I recall it didn't work. Walking through a place near a smoking area will NOT give anyone lung cancer, ever.

We've already gone down that road....and it didn't work out very well. I'm with @The Mom. Don't like smoking, it's unhealthy and costs our society a lot in healthcare costs, firefighting, etc. We need to encourage people to quit or never start. But not make them criminals overnight. Nicotine has been recognized as a highly addictive substance.
 

DisneyDebRob

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Its not what we think, the company that runs the Parks classifies them the same as Smoking.... only in the designated areas. While its less impactful on the consumers not having their alveoli pop like little balloons from the heated smoke, the chemical composition of the 2nd hand vapor from the alternative hasnt had any rigorous studies concluding it as harmless.
There have been numerous studies over the past 15 years about vaping and for the most part, it is around the 95% mark of being safe. The problem comes when you mention second hand vapor because some use ingredients which can be bad. There are some companies that sell e liquid which does include harmful stuff, so you must be vigilant on where you buy your liquid. Most of my friends that vape have 3 ingredients in their tanks, no nicotine, and all three ingredients are used in food consumption. Even if you use nicotine, which is addictive, lik caffeine, it only makes 4 ingredients. Compared to over 3,500 ingredients in cigarettes of which 57 cause cancer, there will never be a study saying it’s as harmful. In fact, the medical board in England has now said it is definitely, with no doubt the way to help quitting smoking.
 

geekza

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several states have not yet made this a law, tho - in the us, i only see it's 'illegal' in ca, as in punishable...
so, to say that several states have passed laws making it illegal is misleading, right? it hasn't yet quite gained the steam it should.
Not misleading at all. There are several states where laws have been passed and there are definitely consequences for breaking that law.

I haven't looked up the actual codes in each state, but here's a link directly to the Virginia State Code that pertains to smoking in a car with a child under 8.
 

Prince-1

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All the while Disney continues to dump more and more Alcohol into the family Disney Parks with no concern about alcoholism, liver issues, throat tumors, lack of ability to use a motor vehicle safely and kill people that had no choice in where they were at the time and you think they are going to care about the few, these days, that actually are smokers. Get them to make it easier to find smoking areas, off the beaten path and this whole discussion comes to an end for the most part. Stop acting like vaping is the same as smoking and maybe more will quit the habit, I know it helped me through some struggles. But, lets go ahead and drive our smoke belching, big engine vehicles, polluting our air and blame it all on Second Hand Cigarette smoke. But, so many are hooked on the big cars and the alcohol that is OK, let's not even include that in the possible problems.

One thing that I can tell you from experience is that compared to what it was like back a few years ago smoking hardly exists anymore. There wasn't a household, an automobile or any place within a crowd that wasn't completely saturation with unregulated chemically loaded tobacco smoke. Disney used to hire armies of people to just run out and sweep up cigarette butts from the streets, in the stores and in the queue's. It has come a long way and smokers are treated like lepers and I can tell you that, from experience, if anyone felt the need to insult me because I smoked only made me more determined to continue. I was not alone, but, over time there is a good chance that cigarettes will disappear with the advent of a few people caring about what the smoker is psychologically going through. Until then you will have the militants and confronting them only makes the situation worse. People have to quit on their own, not because someone else tells or attempts to force them to do so.

I DO NOT ADVOCATE SMOKING. I also do not advocate thinking that they are responsible for all the health problems in the world. They primarily are hurting themselves, but, recent social attitudes have convinced more and more to stop smoking, but, they have to make that decision and not based on amateur shaming methods. With this I am done with this discussion, You folks that have judged me as being pro-smoking are as wrong as can be. You don't know the pain that I went through trying to shake the chemical habit and then the physical habit that I don't think ever goes away completely. A little compassion and patience would go a lot further then confrontation. I cannot tell you how many false starts I had over the years to quit, but, you don't care about that. All you care about is that you might get a whiff of smoke, so go on making the decisions that will only prolong the problem, don't listen to someone that has been there.

So a few comments on your points:

1) This is a thread on smoking and not alcohol or cars(??). Start one on that topic and I will give you my opinion on that as well.
2) I never thought you were pro-smoking but just that you do not want to see that second-hand smoke is dangerous and that there is enough research that has been done by myself and my colleagues to prove that.
3) Smoking is an addiction and extremely hard to quit and I am was not being confrontational with you but I also do not want to breath ANY cigarette smoke at all. If someone wants to do it then do it in the designated areas. And yes I am very fine with WDW not allowing it all even though I know that will not happen.
 
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Br’er Rabbit

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Some places like Ghirardellis do ban peanut butter. And I never said that they should ban smoking in the parks. I said that people should be able to go a few days without smoking while in the parks. Stop reading into things that are not there. I have every right to express how things affect me. You do not agree, that is fine. But don't start making ridiculous correlations between 2 things that have nothing to do with each other. And I am sure that if people were puffing peanut butter and it was going into the air that it could possible cause great harm to others, then they would probably ban it. Just like airlines do not serve peanuts anymore and make an announcement that there is someone with a peanut allergy on board.

But people could leave remnants of peanut butter on tables which an unknowing family could sit at and could get a reaction from the leftover butter. If you want people to go a few days without smoking, then you are against smoking in the parks. Despite them having locations designed for the majority of park guests to never have to come in contact with.
 

Br’er Rabbit

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Honestly can’t wait until Epcot has a Food&Weed festival where you could go around each of the country and get some strains from each country and grab some munchies along the way :hilarious:
 

smile

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Not misleading at all. There are several states where laws have been passed and there are definitely consequences for breaking that law.

I haven't looked up the actual codes in each state, but here's a link directly to the Virginia State Code that pertains to smoking in a car with a child under 8.

i was considering criminal as opposed to civil so i came in at the wrong angle there to begin with; admitted...
but that link also demonstrates the asterisks here, as it, quite strangely, only relates to minors under 8.
 

DisneyJeff

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In the Parks
No
There have been numerous studies over the past 15 years about vaping and for the most part, it is around the 95% mark of being safe. The problem comes when you mention second hand vapor because some use ingredients which can be bad. There are some companies that sell e liquid which does include harmful stuff, so you must be vigilant on where you buy your liquid. Most of my friends that vape have 3 ingredients in their tanks, no nicotine, and all three ingredients are used in food consumption. Even if you use nicotine, which is addictive, lik caffeine, it only makes 4 ingredients. Compared to over 3,500 ingredients in cigarettes of which 57 cause cancer, there will never be a study saying it’s as harmful. In fact, the medical board in England has now said it is definitely, with no doubt the way to help quitting smoking.

I'm honestly surprised that more vapers (is that what they are called?) haven't complained about having to vape in the designated smoking areas. Do you know how much 2nd hand smoke they are exposed to?

As far as totally removing the smoking areas, I think that would be a very bad idea. People are grumpy enough even when they have the opportunity to smoke. Take that away, and look out!! I am in favor of moving them to out of the way areas vs in the middle of pathways.
 

geekza

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i was considering criminal as opposed to civil so i came in at the wrong angle there to begin with; admitted...
but that link also demonstrates the asterisks here, as it, quite strangely, only relates to minors under 8.
Yeah, each state is different and you have to remember that Virginia is a big tobacco state. I'm sure the bill probably started out more broadly and was amended in the process. Still, I think you're nitpicking. There are lots of states with similar laws that differ only in minor ways and I find it very likely that more states will pass their own laws in the future. Heck, I'm in WV, which is one of the only states in the US where smoking rates haven't dropped and there's been a similar bill that has been introduced going back several years. It hasn't passed yet, but it sticks around and, I feel certain, will eventually pass in some form.
 

DisneyDebRob

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I'm honestly surprised that more vapers (is that what they are called?) haven't complained about having to vape in the designated smoking areas. Do you know how much 2nd hand smoke they are exposed to?

As far as totally removing the smoking areas, I think that would be a very bad idea. People are grumpy enough even when they have the opportunity to smoke. Take that away, and look out!! I am in favor of moving them to out of the way areas vs in the middle of pathways.
We have, but like I said in a earlier post, people see what looks like smoke so it would never fly being able to vape freely. When vaping started years ago, it was actually ok on planes for a short period but again, people don’t know what it is so that was stopped. Not that I was in favor of doing it on a plane. By the way, you are correct, vapors.:)
 

Minthorne

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Forget the smoke, what about the serious issue at Disney parks with second hand SOAP!
The park needs dedicated bubble locations.

disney-wait-times-bubbles.jpg
 

21stamps

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I'm sure one can find a website that backs up anything we want, however, until they explain why people like myself can grow up with a parent that smoked in the house, in the car (windows closed) and I myself smoked from age 10 to 50 have escaped lung cancer and someone can make an argument that walking through an OPEN AIR area with a slight odor of cigarette smoke can all of a sudden get cancer "caused by second hand smoke". Makes no sense at all. Some other factor, much stronger is involved we just don't know what that is yet, so let's blame it on second hand smoke no matter how minor the exposure is. I have never once said that it was not a threat to people with existing conditions, either known of unknown, however, let's use some common sense when it comes to what the cause is.

I have photos of me at my 3rd birthday party.. a Great Aunt smoking while I’m sitting next to her. 😂

No one cared about the health of children when I was little. Amazingly, most of us are perfectly fine. :)
 

jaklgreen

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But people could leave remnants of peanut butter on tables which an unknowing family could sit at and could get a reaction from the leftover butter. If you want people to go a few days without smoking, then you are against smoking in the parks. Despite them having locations designed for the majority of park guests to never have to come in contact with.

I see what you are saying but do not think that they are the same thing. A person can wipe down a table with a sanitizing cloth, or a restaurant can make food in a separate area. They are not 100% but still much better then breathing in smoke. We have no choice about breathing. And you can not contain air to a designated smoking area. It obviously dissipates but you would be surprised at how far away I can smell cigarette smoke.
 

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