Skyliner down at EP tonight. Crash?

TrainsOfDisney

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That's another applicable one. I'm acrophobic, though, and while I don't like the Skyliner in general -- much prefer the buses and have no plans to ever stay at a Skyliner resort since they expect you to use it to get around -- I can ride it when I know it's going to be a 5-10 minute trip. If I was actually stuck up there for an indefinite period of time, I would get very anxious very fast.
The way the cars sway with the wind when stopped makes me a bit nervous. Not sure why. Same thing on Mickey’s Fun Wheel or whatever Pixar name they came up with :p
If a horse falls off the carousel, are you going to suggest horses get loose in the wild too?

This made me laugh out loud. It’s also spot on. It’s amazing the lengths some people will go to defend Disney. Reminds me of the fatalities at Disneyland days when it was “good business” to run attractions to failure.
 

Lilofan

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A bus crash dosen't make every other bus on property stop doing bus stuff....a more accurate comparison would be a monorail breakdown. But yeah sure.
Approx 15 years ago I was walking in the parking lot of DHS while the park was closing The guest tram going down the road and then some children darted in front of the tram full of guests. The tram driver swerved and crashed into a pole. I don't know if anyone needed medical attention but it caused some commotion with a number people converging to see if everyone was ok.
 

monothingie

Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
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Doppelmayr/Garaventa Group headquartered in Austria has done 15,100 installations of such transport systems in 96 counties. Quite an impressive resume. No this is not a cheap system and it is a very experienced engineering firm in the field that generated it.
They could have done 10 Billion installations, but not one of them has the Disney imposed system design elements which make the Skyliner a unique installation.
 

celluloid

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It would seem these collisions are not a major safety concern as of yet in terms of the actual incidents. What is difficult is there is no way to quickly get the gondolas out of the station bypass area so that an evacuation or continuation of operations can occur as soon as possible.

Either way, there are two things the gondolas should not do to prevent damages to persons.

1. Dislocate from the cable.
2. Collide.

The process that seems to be happening in non airconditioned cabins which are then still on the lines is not merely a guest inconvenience, but begins to be a safety concern for a multitude of other reasons.

Some may not know this, but for most attractions, if there is a fire situation, the rides do not stop to evacuate people, this is because typically in an attraction if it is not in path of vehicles, the quickest way to egress people without panic and harm is to cycle the attraction until empty.

It is concerning to me, is not the collision itself as much as what would happen if a worst case scenario occurs as the line is stopped due to the collision.
 

Jon81uk

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This gondola system is used in other places, I wonder if there's any records of how many collisions are happening with those systems.

In other words, is it about average, is the WDW system more complex? Are the CM's not being trained well enough? Are there other factors causing this to happen more frequently?
At ski resorts where there are more of these systems the guests are more used to them, more physically fit and able and therefore board quicker. I expect many issues at Disney are still guest related, a slow guest May cause an e-stop and if the gondola stops in the wrong place or one part of the system stops quicker than others it causes the issues shown.
Overall they are safe systems though.

From Wikipedia
The National Ski Areas Association reports 0.138 fatalities per 100 million miles transported compared to 1.23 for cars.[16]
 

mhaftman7

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At ski resorts where there are more of these systems the guests are more used to them, more physically fit and able and therefore board quicker. I expect many issues at Disney are still guest related, a slow guest May cause an e-stop and if the gondola stops in the wrong place or one part of the system stops quicker than others it causes the issues shown.
I don’t think the physical conditioning has anything to do with this. Maybe more so to do with the number of guests who just aren’t paying attention. There has to be a specific window when gondola arrives for the passenger to get on.

One would also think that CMs have a small share into this as well. If they see any person that COULD have a difficult time accessing their boarding window, they should be preparing the system to temporarily suspend motion.
 

monothingie

Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
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Some may not know this, but for most attractions, if there is a fire situation, the rides do not stop to evacuate people, this is because typically in an attraction if it is not in path of vehicles, the quickest way to egress people without panic and harm is to cycle the attraction until empty.
Fire Alarms E-Stop the rides and bring up house lights. If there was a fire at splash mountain, they aren’t waiting a 11 minutes for a ride to cycle to get guests off.

Due to past tragedies regarding fire and theme park attractions , the national fire code, which all state and local codes are based off of, have multiple sections dedicated towards amusement parks and attractions. They are also classified as their own specific use group in the code.
 

ToTBellHop

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Are you trying to compare a fixed-track automated transportation system, to human driven traffic?

If a horse falls off the carousel, are you going to suggest horses get loose in the wild too?

The number of incidents seems high to me for the skyliner, but I have no metrics to compare to when the system was purchased of how many times gondolas can acceptably crash into each other per year.
Shall I compare it to PeopleMover? In Disney and in love, it’s not a ride without a little bump!

Also, if last night’s incident is a “crash”, never drive in NYC! You wouldn’t even get out of the car over this!
 

Weather_Lady

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Cancel Kelly, please. She’s just angry about the ‘Ohana noodles.
Have a heart. Some of us are still not over the loss of guac at Pecos Bill, and now they're telling us there's no more $65 lo mein at the Polynesian?!!? It's a lot to take. 😉

Honestly though - maybe she was being melodramatic, but I feel for her. Hanging in a box suspended in the air for awhile, with no estimate of how long you'll be trapped there, would make anyone anxious.
 
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NelsonRD

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Shall I compare it to PeopleMover? In Disney and in love, it’s not a ride without a little bump!

Also, if last night’s incident is a “crash”, never drive in NYC! You wouldn’t even get out of the car over this!
It seems like you are just downplaying the seriousness of this. Although this crash was more of a bump in your view, this should not be recurring.
 

ToTBellHop

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Have a heart. Some of us are still not over the loss of guac at Pecos Bill, and now they're telling us there's no more $65 lo mein at the Polynesian?!!? It's a lot to take. 😉

Honestly though - maybe she was being melodramatic, but I feel for her. Hanging in a box suspended in the air for awhile, with no estimate of how long you'll be trapped there, would make anyone anxious.
Of course. I just wouldn’t go to TikTok. I’d pull out the emergency snack box under my seat and pull out marshmallows to roast as the cabin crosses the 200-degree mark.
 

ToTBellHop

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It seems like you are just downplaying the seriousness of this. Although this crash was more of a bump in your view, this should not be recurring.
The fact that it restarted so quickly suggests the safety police also don’t care. Also, when monorails are allowed to drive with doors open, we need to adjust our expectations. Survived the trip to the park? The Magic is still here.
 

lazyboy97o

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Some may not know this, but for most attractions, if there is a fire situation, the rides do not stop to evacuate people, this is because typically in an attraction if it is not in path of vehicles, the quickest way to egress people without panic and harm is to cycle the attraction until empty.
Fire Alarms E-Stop the rides and bring up house lights. If there was a fire at splash mountain, they aren’t waiting a 11 minutes for a ride to cycle to get guests off.

Due to past tragedies regarding fire and theme park attractions , the national fire code, which all state and local codes are based off of, have multiple sections dedicated towards amusement parks and attractions. They are also classified as their own specific use group in the code.
I haven’t checked their status but NFPA is considering changes to the next edition of the model code that would allow rides to continue cycling in show mode during a fire to evacuate guests. Guests who stop too often panic and try to evacuate themselves, which can be dangerous. Even a long ride cycling for ten minutes can be faster than the process of evacuating guests from the vehicles. A few years ago a disable guest sued Disneyland after being left on “it’s a small world” while everyone everyone else was evacuated.

The changes would also more include more specific definitions and sub-categories as the current definition of “special amusement” is overly broad and vague.
 

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