Sightlines are being destroyed everywhere

Vegas Disney Fan

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Your right, but some people were saying they can easily cover the


This is a very, very old photo lol. You can still see the show-building, but it is not as bad as it used to be.

The show building is very visible from JP unfortunately now.

That’s the beauty of trees for masking buildings, we all complain about site lines when they open but after a decade of growth the trees have usually solved the problem.
 

J4546

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This is where I feel you're giving Disney waaaaay too much slack. In the past Disney would take measures to truly hide these show buildings. For Tron, they didn't even try. It's just a massive Amazon warehouse in the middle of a Disney park. I'm not sure why you're making it sound like it was impossible to better obscure the visibility of the building when they do it everywhere else. It wasn't impossible. Disney has done it literally around EVERY corner of every park. All their rides either theme the exterior of the show building to match the theme, or hide it out of sight.

Look how MASSIVE the show building is for the Haunted Mansion, but have you ever seen it?? Not sure if everyone can pick it out in the photo below, but the iconic guest-facing HM is circled in red, and the show building in yellow. To understand the scale, look how tiny the HM facade looks in comparison...
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They really need to rebuild the hm que to open up the waterfront area and build a path along the river to a new expansion in that area north of hm and iasm show buuldings....something with a train station as well....I'd suggest a bayou NO themed area for Tiana to be but that's not gonna happen.
 

castlecake2.0

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They really need to rebuild the hm que to open up the waterfront area and build a path along the river to a new expansion in that area north of hm and iasm show buuldings....something with a train station as well....I'd suggest a bayou NO themed area for Tiana to be but that's not gonna happen.
I hate that it’s almost impossible to see the mansion from anywhere up close. Once you’re in the line it’s covered by the canopy. Whole area needs redone.
 

Animaniac93-98

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I hate that it’s almost impossible to see the mansion from anywhere up close. Once you’re in the line it’s covered by the canopy. Whole area needs redone.

The Mansion and queue were never designed with the canopy in mind. It was hastily added in 1972 to shield guests from rain and sun and then expanded in size in 2007 (removing the lampposts that lined the outer wall).

The somewhat temporary solution has been there for 50 years now. Time for them to redo it right.
 

aladdin2007

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The Mansion and queue were never designed with the canopy in mind. It was hastily added in 1972 to shield guests from rain and sun and then expanded in size in 2007 (removing the lampposts that lined the outer wall).

The somewhat temporary solution has been there for 50 years now. Time for them to redo it right.
and bring back the howling sound effect
 

Pepper's Ghost

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They really need to rebuild the hm que to open up the waterfront area and build a path along the river to a new expansion in that area north of hm and iasm show buuldings....something with a train station as well....
I'm on board with this. I'm gonna just say it... I hate, hate, HATE the interactive queue of the Mansion. I hated it when they installed it, and hate it more each time I see it. Sometimes less is more. The old queue where you just walked past the eerie graveyard was so much MORE.
I hate that it’s almost impossible to see the mansion from anywhere up close. Once you’re in the line it’s covered by the canopy. Whole area needs redone.
This is so true. I've always hated that, but just sort of dealt with it because it was what it was. I agree, they should remove the canopy with the exception of maybe the last 20 ft or so right before the door. It's probably good to leave some covered area, not to mention it shades the light enough so when you walk into the dark Mansion, your eyes don't need quite as much time to adjust. If you had no shade all the way up to the Mansion doors, you'd miss everything in the parlor before you walked into the stretching room including Gracey's painting.
 

Disstevefan1

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Wasn't Walt Disney's opportunity to correct some of the issues of Disneyland the purpose of Walt Disney World? Can you see the HM, PotC, and IaSW show buildings? Since when is it ok to see the show building for Tron, GoTG, or event Soarin? The laziness is out of control within Imagineering. These pictures make me cringe, and it costs much more to be able to see the sloppiness.
Don't worry, because of Genie+ folks must stare at their phone all day while at the parks now.
 

WondersOfLife

Blink, blink. Breathe, breathe. Day in, day out.
When one level omni-movers were the thing, it was much easier to hide the show building. If you want coasters then something has got to give.
Even for Epcot's MASSIVE attractions, though... They were able to create these HUGE showbuildings that presented awe and wonder... Spaceship Earth, The Land Pavilion, Universe of Energy, Horizons, World of Motion...

Now we get a big blue box.
 

aladdin2007

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Even for Epcot's MASSIVE attractions, though... They were able to create these HUGE showbuildings that presented awe and wonder... Spaceship Earth, The Land Pavilion, Universe of Energy, Horizons, World of Motion...

Now we get a big blue box.
They have no creative ingenuity anymore, its all about the most cost effective one and done. Something like SE or the Land with multi levels and numerous attractions and experiences inside would never be built today, sadly.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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Even for Epcot's MASSIVE attractions, though... They were able to create these HUGE showbuildings that presented awe and wonder... Spaceship Earth, The Land Pavilion, Universe of Energy, Horizons, World of Motion...

Now we get a big blue box.
This is the worst part of the big blue box for me… it’s not necessary to turn every building into a mountain or some elaborate theme but they could have at least made it interesting architecture. Round off the corners, give it some character, anything would have been better than a huge square box.
 

CntrlFlPete

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the 'change' was jarring to me after taken a long break from the parks (missed the whole FP+ era).

Seeing Avatar from the parking lot was a surprise. I was surprised by the views from slinky dog. There also were the (new) views of France from the skyliner -- the walls, the box, they had one taco barge installed on my first Epcot visit -- the Tron building (from the park and from the monorail -- things had certainly changed over some 7 years.

I can say they have somewhat resolved two of my issues. They added a cool little 'berm' such that GE is not as visible from world drive, this also blocks the views of Tower of Terror that I had from 192 -- you still catch GE where the last road merges in as you pass said 'berm'

Now that they have taken back the backstage area alongside GotG, I assume we will no longer need to see a fence made taller with razor wire as we walk through the park!!
 

WondersOfLife

Blink, blink. Breathe, breathe. Day in, day out.
This is the worst part of the big blue box for me… it’s not necessary to turn every building into a mountain or some elaborate theme but they could have at least made it interesting architecture. Round off the corners, give it some character, anything would have been better than a huge square box.
I say the same for Tron... Why put the huge canopy out front and not finish the build with a similar sleek design behind it? They did a good job on Little Mermaid, and that's not even the best attraction on property. But they sure did do a great job of hiding its box.
 

UNCgolf

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I say the same for Tron... Why put the huge canopy out front and not finish the build with a similar sleek design behind it? They did a good job on Little Mermaid, and that's not even the best attraction on property. But they sure did do a great job of hiding its box.

That's easy to explain. It's because the ride was designed for a different location in a different park, and they basically just dropped it into the MK where they could find room for it.
 

Patcheslee

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The eyesore is the show building that isn't built to be seen. In other words, the exterior isn't staged. For example, the park-facing side of Everest looks great and helps give the illusion you're in Nepal, but the back is not meant to be seen by guests' eyes. Unfortunately, that's another show building that is visible from elsewhere, but at least it isn't visible in the park...
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Does Everest still have the "windows" painted on the back? Never noticed them before.
 

phillip9698

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I hate when people say engineers are lazy because they don’t like final design decisions.

Engineers work within constraints both budgetary and design wise. If the order from above says to build something somewhere it’s impossible to hide then guess what happens.
 

lazyboy97o

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I think this just comes down to a cost analysis, is it better to spend millions to prevent a bad site line from every possible angle or better to spend that money on the theming you intend people to see?

I’ve never been bothered by seeing glimpses of show buildings so as long as it’s not too visible I’d rather see them spend the money on the ride and then “hide” the unintended views with trees and paint.

Tron doesn’t bother me (nor does Hogwarts, Soaring, etc) but there’s been some bad examples lately, the barges being the worst, every time I see the barges I worry they aren’t even considering site lines anymore.
So many of these issues would not require millions to address, particular if addressed early.

A connection to a larger environment is what really distinguishes a theme park from an amusement park. The definition of the land as a storytelling experience is what makes for the experience. There’s a reason that people so consistently talk about reworking studio parks to not just be soundstages, because it’s not really a pleasant environment which is not bothering with show buildings pushed to their most extreme.
 

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