"Show" keeps getting worse

[ford91exploder]

I'm assuming you are being sarcastic, but I want to make sure no one is taking you seriously. First of all - in parks engineering leadership positions are not BE (Bonus Eligible) positions. Secondly, temperature settings are determined at a global level and set in the EMS (Energy Management System). Any deviations from that (for example, a special event starting at 7am in a building that normally doesn't have the AC kick on until 8am) have to be approved in advance and plugged into the system. Think of it like a big NEST thermostat for WDW. This has been the system and process for YEARS and the temp settings haven't changed at least in 5-6 years. This applies to all office buildings as well - there are no offices (except possibly old trailers with manual AC) that you can adjust the AC down that low.

What has happened? We continue to see hotter temps for prolonged periods of time and this is the time of year when you start to notice issues with AC units and things have to be fixed/replaced.

I call bullcrap every year the facilities in WDW get warmer And this happened with temps in the mid 80's not record temperatures in the 100+ category. And since you are new here when we refer to management we are referring to executive management who indeed are eligible for bonuses. Line manangement at WDW are simply saps who get to implement the stupidity dreamed up by Burbank and Celebration place and if they manage that they get to keep their jobs.

Nice try but tell your bosses in the cubicle farm at celebration place that you failed utterly next time try using less corporate jargon.

As to how do we know it's warmer well some of us especially those from New England we tend to have a thermometer on our day packs or camelbaks

 

[ford91exploder]

Oh...it's totally legit...

Knowing Disney it probably is legitimate whether the position has any pull is another. As Disney has many sinecure positions for managers who are company men

 

[ford91exploder]

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I agree. Not an expensive maintenance issue to stay ontop of.

Every penny NOT spent on the parks increases the bonus pool.

 

[CircusPeanuts]

I call bullcrap every year the facilities in WDW get warmer And this happened with temps in the mid 80's not record temperatures in the 100+ category. And since you are new here when we refer to management we are referring to executive management who indeed are eligible for bonuses. Line manangement at WDW are simply saps who get to implement the stupidity dreamed up by Burbank and Celebration place and if they manage that they get to keep their jobs.

Nice try but tell your bosses in the cubicle farm at celebration place that you failed utterly next time try using less corporate jargon.

As to how do we know it's warmer well some of us especially those from New England we tend to have a thermometer on our day packs or camelbaks

I realize that no matter what, I won't be able to convince you... and that is fine. It is no skin off my back if you don't believe me. But the simple fact is there has not been a wholesale change in temperature settings in quite a few years.

Also, I am not new here. This account may be new - but I have been reading WDWMagic since 2001. You specifically said "EPCOT facilities manager" which is NOT someone who would be an executive. That is why I responded with what I did. And yes, executives (and some non-executives) are bonus eligible - however those bonuses are determined on a much larger "macro" level and not based on what your location/property has done. The thought of someone trying to increase their bonus by changing the temperature is not only laughable, it is impossible. It is just not calculated that way.

Oh - and I am not based out of Celebration or Team Disney - but good try.

Every penny NOT spent on the parks increases the bonus pool.

See my comment above. That is not how bonus eligible positions work.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

Oh - and I am not based out of Celebration or Team Disney - but good try.

See my comment above. That is not how bonus eligible positions work.

Since you've been here since 2001, you have to know about exploder's rants against everything Disney nowadays. You cannot possibly know what you are talking about, because he knows how everything at WDW works, and any deviation from anyone is utter nonsense, and couldn't possibly be true.

 

[COProgressFan]

Secondly, temperature settings are determined at a global level and set in the EMS (Energy Management System). Any deviations from that (for example, a special event starting at 7am in a building that normally doesn't have the AC kick on until 8am) have to be approved in advance and plugged into the system. Think of it like a big NEST thermostat for WDW. This has been the system and process for YEARS and the temp settings haven't changed at least in 5-6 years. This applies to all office buildings as well - there are no offices (except possibly old trailers with manual AC) that you can adjust the AC down that low.

What has happened? We continue to see hotter temps for prolonged periods of time and this is the time of year when you start to notice issues with AC units and things have to be fixed/replaced.

I realize that no matter what, I won't be able to convince you... and that is fine. It is no skin off my back if you don't believe me. But the simple fact is there has not been a wholesale change in temperature settings in quite a few years.

I think we all are aware that changing temperature settings for most buildings on property is more complicated than some random CM just turning a dial. I am sure there are all sorts of complicated building management systems which control these functions. That somehow doesn't make it right though that SSE is 82 inside when its 76 outside.

But there has been quite an increase in folks observing (and reporting here) sweltering conditions in various locations across property, in attractions and shops. It's not everywhere, but when you walk into a hot building, it is very noticeable. It seems to be occurring in more and more locations, and appears to be a cost cutting move. You can tell us all you want that "We continue to see hotter temps for prolonged periods of time" but the fact is, its always been hot in Florida. This is not just a new problem that has happened in a couple locations in the past few months, but a broader issue that seems to be going on across property over the past few years.

 

[RobbinsDad]

The entrance to Hollywood Studios (entering from World Drive) also has several extremely faded posters on both sides of the entrance as you drive through. At least they were still faded quite recently, not sure if they finally replaced them (i would hazard a guess that they haven't).

Kind of off the subject of faded posters, but since the thread was about show diminishing, well here is a pic i snapped of an Epcot-bound boat at the Boardwalk.

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• MerlinTheGoat
• Jun 4, 2016

All the boats had similar wear and scuffing (to varying degrees, some not this bad and others almost as bad), though this one was the worst.

I've never liked the look of the Friendships. The decor or the weathering. I don't really have an alternative, but something a little less boring would be nice.

 

[wdwfan22]

There are quite a few locations within Walt Disney World were the A/C units are broken and need repaired.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

There are quite a few locations within Walt Disney World were the A/C units are broken and need repaired.

And I think that is what is driving most to feel that a particular attraction is hotter than they think it used to be. If a show building needs 6 handlers to keep it cool in the Florida sun, and one goes down and needs maintenance, it's going to feel hotter until it's fixed. And one thing that people seem to forget is that a lot of the show buildings are over 40 years old. We don't visit during the summer anymore, so don't notice it as much as most people might. We also have a much higher tolerance for heat, since where we live is usually hotter than WDW anyway, so it's always a cool-down when we visit.

 

[ford91exploder]

I realize that no matter what, I won't be able to convince you... and that is fine. It is no skin off my back if you don't believe me. But the simple fact is there has not been a wholesale change in temperature settings in quite a few years.

Also, I am not new here. This account may be new - but I have been reading WDWMagic since 2001. You specifically said "EPCOT facilities manager" which is NOT someone who would be an executive. That is why I responded with what I did. And yes, executives (and some non-executives) are bonus eligible - however those bonuses are determined on a much larger "macro" level and not based on what your location/property has done. The thought of someone trying to increase their bonus by changing the temperature is not only laughable, it is impossible. It is just not calculated that way.

Oh - and I am not based out of Celebration or Team Disney - but good try.



See my comment above. That is not how bonus eligible positions work.

For someone who supposedly does not work for Disney you seem to have the corporate lingo down, Once again go back to your bosses and tell them you failed. You need less corporate speak to be convincing.

 

[DVCOwner]

For someone who supposedly does not work for Disney you seem to have the corporate lingo down, Once again go back to your bosses and tell them you failed. You need less corporate speak to be convincing.

Do you work for Universal?

 

[BrerJon]

But there has been quite an increase in folks observing (and reporting here) sweltering conditions in various locations across property, in attractions and shops. It's not everywhere, but when you walk into a hot building, it is very noticeable.

If you go to Universal or Sea World it's striking how much cooler the buildings are than Disney - never once do you feel hot and sweaty in a queue line, whereas at Disney it goes with the territory. It could just be Disney has always cheaped out on AC though, as opposed to it being a new development.

 

[ford91exploder]

And I think that is what is driving most to feel that a particular attraction is hotter than they think it used to be. If a show building needs 6 handlers to keep it cool in the Florida sun, and one goes down and needs maintenance, it's going to feel hotter until it's fixed. And one thing that people seem to forget is that a lot of the show buildings are over 40 years old. We don't visit during the summer anymore, so don't notice it as much as most people might. We also have a much higher tolerance for heat, since where we live is usually hotter than WDW anyway, so it's always a cool-down when we visit.

Boo, Hoo, Hoo Disney has 40 y/o air handlers sounds like some of that stock buyback money should have gone into maintaining plant and equipment

Oh and btw the recommendation with a multiple air handler system is that the system be able to maintain cooling on a high average day (which for florida would be 98 deg) with a N-1 configuration which allows for failures and maintenance. I'm an engineer so this kind of thing is part of what I do IRL.

So to have some corporate tool tell us that on a 85 degree day that Disney's AC systems are incapable of handling the load well it just does not pass the smell test.

 

[ford91exploder]

If you go to Universal or Sea World it's striking how much cooler the buildings are than Disney - never once do you feel hot and sweaty in a queue line, whereas at Disney it goes with the territory. It could just be Disney has always cheaped out on AC though, as opposed to it being a new development.

And once upon a time the same was true with Disney, To the point not long ago where I wished they would turn it up a few degrees so the difference was not so extreme but now it's at the other extreme where it seems the AC is not even active, And this IS the place where you need to buy those mylar balloons to keep your A/C running at night in the resorts.

 

[COProgressFan]

And I think that is what is driving most to feel that a particular attraction is hotter than they think it used to be. If a show building needs 6 handlers to keep it cool in the Florida sun, and one goes down and needs maintenance, it's going to feel hotter until it's fixed. And one thing that people seem to forget is that a lot of the show buildings are over 40 years old. We don't visit during the summer anymore, so don't notice it as much as most people might. We also have a much higher tolerance for heat, since where we live is usually hotter than WDW anyway, so it's always a cool-down when we visit.

I get that equipment can fail. If you're down an air handler or two though, how long should it take to replace the equipment? A week? A month? Some of these issues have been going on seemingly for a couple years now and occurring in more and more locations. With the way WDW takes care of things these days, I wouldn't be surprised at all if there were maintenance issues going on as well.

But what does it matter what the cause is? It's hot, sweaty and uncomfortable for guests and cast.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

Boo, Hoo, Hoo Disney has 40 y/o air handlers sounds like some of that stock buyback money should have gone into maintaining plant and equipment

Never said that it was a good thing that they haven't been properly maintained, did I?????

Oh and btw the recommendation with a multiple air handler system is that the system be able to maintain cooling on a high average day (which for florida would be 98 deg) with a N-1 configuration which allows for failures and maintenance. I'm an engineer so this kind of thing is part of what I do IRL.

So what job on this earth haven't you done, since you seem to be an expert on every single subject brought up here?

 

[LuvtheGoof]

I get that equipment can fail. If you're down an air handler or two though, how long should it take to replace the equipment? A week? A month? Some of these issues have been going on seemingly for a couple years now and occurring in more and more locations. With the way WDW takes care of things these days, I wouldn't be surprised at all if there were maintenance issues going on as well.

But what does it matter what the cause is? It's hot, sweaty and uncomfortable for guests and cast.

Oh I agree that there have been maintenance issues. Never said that there wasn't. Hopefully, they will pull together a few pennies to replace the aging A/C units.

 

[CircusPeanuts]

And I think that is what is driving most to feel that a particular attraction is hotter than they think it used to be. If a show building needs 6 handlers to keep it cool in the Florida sun, and one goes down and needs maintenance, it's going to feel hotter until it's fixed. And one thing that people seem to forget is that a lot of the show buildings are over 40 years old. We don't visit during the summer anymore, so don't notice it as much as most people might. We also have a much higher tolerance for heat, since where we live is usually hotter than WDW anyway, so it's always a cool-down when we visit.

This. There are maintenance issues with many AC units on property. There has also been a concerted effort to replace many of the troubled air handlers over the last 5 years or so.

For someone who supposedly does not work for Disney you seem to have the corporate lingo down, Once again go back to your bosses and tell them you failed. You need less corporate speak to be convincing.

Huh? When did I say I didn't work for Disney? I said I don't work in Team Disney or Celebration. I certainly don't speak for my employer however.

Boo, Hoo, Hoo Disney has 40 y/o air handlers sounds like some of that stock buyback money should have gone into maintaining plant and equipment

Oh and btw the recommendation with a multiple air handler system is that the system be able to maintain cooling on a high average day (which for florida would be 98 deg) with a N-1 configuration which allows for failures and maintenance. I'm an engineer so this kind of thing is part of what I do IRL.

So to have some corporate tool tell us that on a 85 degree day that Disney's AC systems are incapable of handling the load well it just does not pass the smell test.

I'll move past the name calling - no need to sink to that level. All I have said is that there was no wholesale dropping of AC set temps to create more "bonuses". That is just a fantasy that you made up. If you want to have a discussion about the laziness of some of the maintenance teams on property and how you have to pull teeth and favors to get them to leave their office to look at something - sure. We can talk about that and I would agree that it is a culture issue that has cropped up recently in maintenance and is a huge problem. However, saying that has something to do with cost cutting and bonuses is simply not true.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

Same old fools trying tirelessly to defend the continued demise of show at Walt Disney World. So sickening yet unsurprising.

Hmm, so people stating that they know there are issues, but at least they are finally trying to do something about it, is defending them??????

 

[LuvtheGoof]

Oh my gosh, well let me pull out a gold medal because they're finally getting around to fixing something that could have been done overnight months ago!!!

Maybe only a bronze for this one. They'd get a gold if they fixed the yeti. It's only been 9 years for it.