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wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
You know, it's easy to offer armchair management advice when you're not involved in running one of the busiest tourist destinations in the world.
Yes,they are very much one of the busiest tourist destinations in the world, and they make obscene amounts of money. If they have yet to learn how to properly delegate simple tasks such as replacing signs that are beaten down by the very same Sun that has been there since opening day, then they obviously need all the help they can get.
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
They take MINUTES to get made. Literally minutes. I know this for 100% fact. I have seen the printers in action, and a family member is a tech for those giant banner printers. Something little like those banners takes minutes to get done.
Hey now, give TDO a break. They are unaware that the most powerful celestial body in our galaxy can actually have an affect on the coloring of the signs. Despite the fact that previous care takers of the park were well aware of it.

I sense a new pixie dust/brand advocate defense has been born. They already have the Helm's Deep of verbal defense strategies with the classic, "Disney is a business". Coming in second is the old, "my kids are bored at Epcot", and now they can top it off with the astonishing discovery of "The Florid Sun is hot".
 
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CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
Hey now, give TDO a break. They are unaware that the most powerful celestial body in our galaxy can actually have an affect on the coloring of the signs. Despite the fact that previous care takers of the park were well aware of it.
1. It has nothing to do with awareness.

2. You're full of crap if you think faded signs are some kind of new unique Iger-regime cheapness.

3. It is literally impossible for them to do what you're asking. They could replace the signs tomorrow and they'd be faded in a week.
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
1. It has nothing to do with awareness.
Im pretty sure that awareness should play big role in the daily operations of a theme park

2. You're full of crap if you think faded signs are some kind of new unique Iger-regime cheapness.
I am on my third cup of coffee so I am definitely due for a BM any minute now

3. It is literally impossible for them to do what you're asking. They could replace the signs tomorrow and they'd be faded in a week.
Then perhaps they should consider an alternative or look into a protective layer, or better yet, just tear down Storybook Splash and Pee area all together and put something that people who are above the age of 4 years old might appreciate
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
Im pretty sure that awareness should play big role in the daily operations of a theme park
My point is not "they're unaware and that's okay." My point is "they ARE aware but nothing can be done for the reasons I mentioned."

Then perhaps they should consider an alternative or look into a protective layer...
I'm sure they are.

...or better yet, just tear down Storybook Splash and Pee area all together and put something that people who are above the age of 4 years old might appreciate
I assume you don't have kids or you're just extremely jaded in general. Probably both. The splash pad takes up virtually zero real estate and kids love it. If you can't watch kids screaming in happiness without thinking "you damn kids are ruining the thematic purity of the Magic Kingdom," then I feel sorry for you.
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
My point is not "they're unaware and that's okay." My point is "they ARE aware but nothing can be done for the reasons I mentioned."
Point taken. But to say "nothing can be done" shows that they either did not properly think it through when designing the signs because as you said, they are aware of it, or it shows that they just dont care enough to have proper measure put in place.

I'm sure they are.
I hope so. And if they find a solution,that would be great.

I assume you don't have kids or you're just extremely jaded in general. Probably both. The splash pad takes up virtually zero real estate and kids love it. If you can't watch kids screaming in happiness without thinking "you damn kids are ruining the thematic purity of the Magic Kingdom," then I feel sorry for you.
Im definitely jaded, but mostly towards the non stop excuse making. I want kids to have all the fun they can. Id like Disney to design better areas that can accommodate both children and adults alike though, you know, they way they used to. I have no desire to hold on to an Outback Steakhouse style pager when my only two options while waiting for Dumbo is sitting in a tent with screaming children or watching them get wet in a splash area, which I think is silly for any parent to allow considering the Florida Sun you keep mentioning could possibly give them a rash after they get soaked and then sit in the stroller for 2 hours while their Underoos bake like a fecal matter souffle
 

Matt_Black

Well-Known Member
I have no desire to hold on to an Outback Steakhouse style pager when my only two options while waiting for Dumbo is sitting in a tent with screaming children or watching them get wet in a splash area, which I think is silly for any parent to allow considering the Florida Sun you keep mentioning could possibly give them a rash after they get soaked and then sit in the stroller for 2 hours while their Underoos bake like a fecal matter souffle

If you think those are your only two options, then that says more about your mindset than any so-called failing on Disney's part.
 

gmajew

Premium Member
I will see the signs again in a few weeks but they never look that bad in person... Signage always fades paint fades over time why things need to be replaced and refreshed. This will be part of what should be normal maintenance in this area. These canvas signs are easy to replace so hopefully they do but they won't do it every 3 months that is for sure. Do we know these are the originals?
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
I have no desire to hold on to an Outback Steakhouse style pager when my only two options while waiting for Dumbo is sitting in a tent with screaming children or watching them get wet in a splash area...
With the two spinners (a major upgrade that you conveniently ignore in your hatred for Storybook Circus), the wait is almost never more than 15 minutes and it's a walk-on much of the time. We rode Dumbo with our daughter multiple times on each trip in April 2015, January 2016, and May 2016, and we never once had to take a pager because there was no wait. So I think you'll manage.

Separately, is your argument that it would be better to stand in line and do... nothing? Given the option, isn't a system with entertained children and bored adults better than a system with bored children and bored adults? That's what waiting in line is.

...which I think is silly for any parent to allow considering the Florida Sun you keep mentioning could possibly give them a rash after they get soaked and then sit in the stroller for 2 hours while their Underoos bake like a fecal matter souffle
Bad parenting means the area shouldn't exist? The solution to "underoos baking like a fecal matter souffle" is a fresh diaper and a splash of baby powder, not the demolition of a splash pad.
 

Matt_Black

Well-Known Member
Instead of complaining about a faded sign from the hot Florida sun, why not just enjoy your vacation.

That IS how they enjoy their vacation! It's like that bit with Waldorf & Statler in the Muppets Disney World special.

"This is very pleasant."
"Everyone is smiling..."
"The weather is beautiful..."
"There's literally nothing to complain about...."
...
"I hate it!"
"Me too!"
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
If you think those are your only two options, then that says more about your mindset than any so-called failing on Disney's part.
Oh yeah, I forgot I can shop at the other tent for the exact same merchandise that is everywhere else, or either eat the exact same pastries they sell at the Confectionary on MSUSA.
 

Matt_Black

Well-Known Member
Oh yeah, I forgot I can shop at the other tent for the exact same merchandise that is everywhere else, or either eat the exact same pastries they sell at the Confectionary on MSUSA.

Well, if you DO have a two hour wait, as you claim, you can meet Donald & Goofy or Minnie & Daisy in the sideshow. You can hop onboard the train for a lovely round-trip ride around the Magic Kingdom. You can pop over to Fantasyland or Tomorrowland to see if there's anything to do over there. If you are in the Magic Kingdom and can't think of a SINGLE thing to occupy yourself and your family, well then that's a failing on you.
 

DVCOwner

A Long Time DVC Member
Oh yeah, I forgot I can shop at the other tent for the exact same merchandise that is everywhere else, or either eat the exact same pastries they sell at the Confectionary on MSUSA.

Than do not eat there or shop there. I for one shop this location every trip to Walt Disney World. I find the lines are always short and there is a wide selection of toys for the Grandkids. Maybe it the same as other locations, I just like this one.
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
With the two spinners (a major upgrade that you conveniently ignore in your hatred for Storybook Circus), the wait is almost never more than 15 minutes and it's a walk-on much of the time. We rode Dumbo with our daughter multiple times on each trip in April 2015, January 2016, and May 2016, and we never once had to take a pager because there was no wait. So I think you'll manage.

Separately, is your argument that it would be better to stand in line and do... nothing? Given the option, isn't a system with entertained children and bored adults better than a system with bored children and bored adults? That's what waiting in line is.


Bad parenting means the area shouldn't exist? The solution to "underoos baking like a fecal matter souffle" is a fresh diaper and a splash of baby powder, not the demolition of a splash pad.
All good points. I wont argue that. We usually only ride Dumbo when visiting with nieces and nephews and Ive just looked around as we waited and thought how it must be rough for families vising in the busy summer season. And in fairness, I have seen many responsible parents who either have their kids in a swimsuit in the splash area or Ive seen them get a change of clothe out. Its rare, but Ive seen it.
 

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