1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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but...and correct me if I am wrong....didn't he...you know.....FREE ALL THE SLAVES?!........so how is he racists exactly??
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Should Cars be Cancelled?
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1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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I wish young folks like you could have experienced America Sings. It was just so perfect, and so.... Disneyland.
Yes, it was a bit corny and schmaltzy. But it was schmaltz that had style and it worked. It was one of my all-time favorite Disneyland attractions. That revolving theater, the cast of dozens of animatronics on each stage, the way the hostess would start the audience clapping during each musical revolve of the theater, the pure nostalgia and patriotism of the show. It was magic, and I normally dislike that word because it's so overused. But American Sings was just... magic. I absolutely loved it.
That most of those animals ended up in Splash Mountain really helped Disneyland fans take to the new log ride quickly.
I still can't pass by that hound dog spinning in the boat in the Laughing Place and remember that he was once asking us who shot the hole in his sombrero, and perhaps maybe it was because he kissed Pancho's wife?
They don't write jokes like that anymore, sadly.
looks like a charming ride. had no idea the mom and the little rabbits were from that ride too. how cool
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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I used to love Country Bears especially the holiday show. Its one of the few attractions I can recall my grandmother participating in and enjoying. Those are special memories to me.
Kram Sacul
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He didn’t free them fast enough? He wasn’t black? There will be a reason.
Dead2009
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They're literally cars. You're making it more than it needs to be.
Vegas Disney Fan
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This is what drives me crazy about cancel culture, it doesn’t look at intent.
Just a few weeks ago there was an uproar about “blackface” in a Chinese New Year celebration, I watched The video and it’s Chinese actors portraying African culture in stylized African clothing and wearing professionally done makeup... that is a far cry from a minstrel face mocking people. They also portray the Middle East as belly dancers and pharaohs... reminded me of it’s a small world to be honest.
The use of stereotypes and makeup can be demeaning but they can also just be acting, intent means everything.
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mickEblu
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Since I “experienced” America Sings as a 5 years old, saw pre 97 POTC plenty of times and saw CBJ, my Top 3 attractions I wish I could have experienced are Mine Train Thru Natures Wonderland, ATIS and maybe the original Alice in Wonderland or Rocket to the Moon. Now that I’m thinking about it, I don’t think I experienced the original CBJ. I think by the late 80s it was already the Vacation Hoedown.
Californian Elitist
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As an African American, I don’t want to see non-black people putting on brown makeup to appear black to celebrate black culture. It is unnecessary and very strange, in my opinion. One can celebrate African or black culture without donning blackface. At the same time, I’m aware that the Chinese aren’t as aware as Americans are of the historical harm that blackface has brought upon African Americans, and therefore am not going to get upset about it. I’ll just roll my eyes and move on.
SamusAranX
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Lincoln personally believed that slavery was morally wrong, but as a pragmatist, was initially just trying to preserve the fragile US. He reassured the states where it existed that he would not threaten it. Not because he likes slavery, but was trying to avert a bloody war.
The south didn’t listen, and seceded. This gave him the opportunity to actually do what he knew to be the right thing, and free them as it politically was feasible.
His views that most likely make him “cancelled” we’re both the above pragmatism, and his initial uncertainty if persons of color deserved full civil and legal rights upon receiving their freedom. In fact some in his party didn’t think he went far enough in advancing the rights of African Americans and other minorities. This set up a bitter political fight upon his death as Andrew Johnson held the same views [as Lincoln].
Lincoln was both ahead of his peers and a product of his time in many ways. A flawed, but well intentioned man.
Stevek
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I wish young folks like you could have experienced America Sings. It was just so perfect, and so.... Disneyland.
Yes, it was a bit corny and schmaltzy. But it was schmaltz that had style and it worked. It was one of my all-time favorite Disneyland attractions. That revolving theater, the cast of dozens of animatronics on each stage, the way the hostess would start the audience clapping during each musical revolve of the theater, the pure nostalgia and patriotism of the show. It was magic, and I normally dislike that word because it's so overused. But American Sings was just... magic. I absolutely loved it.
That most of those animals ended up in Splash Mountain really helped Disneyland fans take to the new log ride quickly.
I still can't pass by that hound dog spinning in the boat in the Laughing Place and remember that he was once asking us who shot the hole in his sombrero, and perhaps maybe it was because he kissed Pancho's wife?
They don't write jokes like that anymore, sadly.
I was very lucky to see it many, many times. I still love listening to the soundtrack.
And remember the Sombrero song had two different versions. One as you described above and another that said "you don't recon my old could be back in town?"
See video below with the alternate version. Starts about 7:20. This was the version I remember seeing, Disney released Pancho version you referenced on the 50th anniversary set (and pretty much every "studio" version on youtube is the Pancho version). Finding the version I remember is next to impossible though I'm sure I had it at one point.
EPCOTCenterLover
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Yes, intent tells a fuller story but sometimes we are so quick to judge and get offended without understanding. What happened to listening first, asking questions to gain understanding, and speaking afterwards?
The obvious reason wasn’t mentioned. John Laserter was involved and Disney already cancelled him.
Soon Walt Disney will be cancelled for various offenses that theyll be offended about.
Lucasfilms blacklisted a fictional Cara Dune character because they fired the actress.
Soon Walt Disney will be cancelled for various offenses that theyll be offended about.
Lucasfilms blacklisted a fictional Cara Dune character because they fired the actress.
“He Who Must Not Be Named”: Can John Lasseter Ever Return to Disney?
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Lassetter actually stole the credit for Cars. Look in this article for the original artwork from the original person who pitched cars. Looks the exact same as what ended up in the movie.
Yet Lasseter claimed he invented the idea on a Route 66 road trip.
denyuntilcaught
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See what I meant? lol
No Name
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I’d have to rewatch the movie but I’m not sure how poor the portrayals are. It’s fine and good to have distinct and diverse characters so long as it’s not reinforcing negative stereotypes. From memory I’d say Mater evokes the most stereotypes, but he’s a redneck, and they don’t get much sympathy for a number of reasons. On the other hand, I’d say Flo is the least stereotypical. It’s an interesting point but you’d need specific examples of how it’s bad.
Muppets have content warning labels on Disney+ for young kids. This is ironic since Disney made adult version of Muppets on ABC Broadcast Network. Definitely not safe for kids.
TP2000
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Gosh, that sounds like the 20th century.
And it's not how the kids are taught today.
TP2000
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What's a "negative" stereotype? So few people are able to explain what that is, even after they use the phrase in a sentence.
For example, Disney recently threw Walt and Marc Davis and a few dozen other dead or retired Imagineers under the bus by claiming the Jungle Cruise had "negative stereotypes". What were they? The Africans doing their cultural dances? Wearing their cultural clothes? Exhibiting their cultural norms? Or just the drama when they pretended to attack a theme park boat ride based on the (admittedly crude) weaponry and customs they actually have?
Or would it be better if the African peoples portrayed in the Jungle Cruise were cubicle workers changing out the toner cartridge in a printer in a downtown Nairobi office building? They'd be just like us, but it would make for a rather boring boat ride, wouldn't it?
And yes, this image popped up when I Googled "Black Man Changes Toner Cartridge".
So in Cars Land, Ramone is a Chicano car voiced by Cheech Marin. Flo is a Black woman car from Detroit voiced by Jenifer Lewis. Mater is a white hick towtruck voiced by Larry The Cable Guy. Etc., etc.
Are those "negative" stereotypes? And if Cars Land is now negative by 2021's woke standards, what's positive? Some anodyne, monotone culture where we all look alike, talk alike, think alike? Where all cars in Cars Land are silver Honda Civic sedans on a 24 month lease and Radiator Springs is a beige Irvine office park with tasteful yet drought resistant landscaping?
Welcome To Cars Land 2023! Where Nothing Is Offensive To Anyone Ever!
That sounds even more boring than a Jungle Cruise boat ride where we see African cubicle drones changing the toner cartridge in a downtown Nairobi office, instead of wearing exotic masks and attacking us with wildly painted spears while our Skipper barely gets our boat to escape.
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D.Silentu
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Definitely same story as this film, but the artwork and characters the animator creates are the exact same as Lasseter's film. He later fired the guy.