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Shedding tears...
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AdLibSean
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I've put this off long enough. I said I wasn't going to get involved and that I'd only be adding to them but these threads are so childish-find something better to do with your time. If someone wants to go nostalgic- let'em! It was obviously very important to him. Think of something you think strongly about and imagine someone stepping on it and mocking it- NOT COOL! Yes you can have your own opinions, yes it's a forum, yes you can discuss but don't attack someone for their views. There's appropriate ways of disagreeing and these threads are the farthest thing from that. I've seen other posts started by people specifically mocking a member of the board- GROW UP! I don't care if I haven't been here for a while or not and that I'll get tired of it! I agree with Darthdarrel- there's a little thing called ignoring- you should try it! Let people post their memories on Disney- this is a Disney board isn't it? :lookaroun I haven't been able to tell in the past few weeks...
kaos
Active Member
Wow...
that was highly immature of me... Oh Well...
Hey, I was so sad today. I really miss 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. I had a dream about it the other nite... the cold dank air inthe windows, the fish on the string, the big squid crushing another vessel just like ours.
I'm sad. Why did they have to get rid of this one??? I'm so depressed. Why Pressler, WHY???
that was highly immature of me... Oh Well...
Hey, I was so sad today. I really miss 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. I had a dream about it the other nite... the cold dank air inthe windows, the fish on the string, the big squid crushing another vessel just like ours.
I'm sad. Why did they have to get rid of this one??? I'm so depressed. Why Pressler, WHY???
WDW-Imagineer
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AHHHHHHH Attack of the Newbies!!!!! :hammer:
ImaginationHost
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TOS
Also,
Steve mentioned in a forum useage post:
If you find a post offensive or argumentative, or some other dispute occurs, please DO NOT take it up directly with the member, either on the forum, or via Private Messaging.
The preferred course of action is to use the 'REPORT POST TO MODERATOR' link that is below every post on the forum. Alternatively, email forums@wdwmagic.com
Once the post has been reported, I can then look at the problem from both sides, and find a common resolutions to the dispute.
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So, for everyone's sake, could you all please deal bring this up with Steve and not attack each other. It takes away from the fun that these forums are.
Also,
Steve mentioned in a forum useage post:
If you find a post offensive or argumentative, or some other dispute occurs, please DO NOT take it up directly with the member, either on the forum, or via Private Messaging.
The preferred course of action is to use the 'REPORT POST TO MODERATOR' link that is below every post on the forum. Alternatively, email forums@wdwmagic.com
Once the post has been reported, I can then look at the problem from both sides, and find a common resolutions to the dispute.
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So, for everyone's sake, could you all please deal bring this up with Steve and not attack each other. It takes away from the fun that these forums are.
Chester&Hester Enthusiast
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Wait... who did i attack? I was joking... at least Maria got it... 
Maria
New Member
Originally posted by grizzlyhall
Thank you all, thank you, thank you!!Your posts have been a TREMENDOUS help, and I hope to use the knowlege I've gained from you to attempt pursuing my goals. I hope the quote below means something...if it doesn't, just forget it about it all.
You are welcome!
I see you took my advice and posted this in every single thread...
Well done Grizz. I don´t think anyone missed it. Maybe you can post it more often in other forums too.
Maria - - - - I don't understand.
I thought I've explained everything...if not, I suggest you PLEASE go to my most recent post in the Magic Happens!! thread. If this doesn't clear things up, please let me know.
Otherwise, I can't comprehend this situation.
Thanks... (<- we're in need of more of these)
I thought I've explained everything...if not, I suggest you PLEASE go to my most recent post in the Magic Happens!! thread. If this doesn't clear things up, please let me know.
Otherwise, I can't comprehend this situation.
Thanks...
(<- we're in need of more of these)In reply to one thing you said - I posted it in the Magic Happens thread. That's it!! Mainly because I'm being attacked for similar reasons in both...and I found it necessary... Hope you understand.
Fievel
RunDisney Addict
I had this as part of a reply in another thread, but decided that I could actually probably do more good with it here.
As for the CoP debate.....if they're watching that, they have also probably figured out that the people who want to keep it will be the ones making all the noise...the rest are content to let it go away quietly (or not so quietly). Either way, they're not going to decide the fate of a ride solely on a website chat forum. For Disney to get rid of a ride takes a lot of factors, the most being attendance (CoP is only open seasonaly...bad start...if it was hugely popular, WDW would keep it open year round.) Then come surveys of the people in the parks asking what rides they've ridden and how they rate those experiences. Most of you have seen the people with "disney research" shirts on wandering the parks asking guests questions late at night. This is how they make decisions on where to improve...if they find a low score for something, you can bet your bottom dollar they're gonna try a fix for it...even if that means bringing in a bulldozer.
Remember....people like the "save cop" and "save toad" groups are very much in the minority. They may be a vocal minority, but they still are well-dwarfed by what most people say and think. Also, Disney knows that these groups tend to be a bit unstable, and even a bit hostile. They have been known to take precautions to protect themselves and their guests against these types of groups. I remember when Toad was going away, and the "save toad" group did nothing but make themselves look foolish in the end because they started trying every tactic in the book to save it. But in the end, you all see how well this group did. They lost....not because they didn't care, but because they were outvoted by many many more people. This is FACT....don't try and debate me on it. Don't let these vocal groups fool you...little "web polls" and "save CoP" petitions are going to amount to nothing, because in the end, Disney will continue to do what it takes to move FORWARD.....funny how CoP will disappear someday to make way for the very thing it teaches about - progress. The parks MUST continue to evolve and change. If WDW didnt' get rid of rides, there would be empty show builidings everywhere, because some rides would simply get NO attendance. The numbers speak for themselves. Not one guy who says "well it was packed and got a standing ovation the day I was there", because another person (me), can say "There were 5 people in the theater, and 2 were asleep when I went." So there goes your public opinion....ends in a stale mate. I'd love to sit and discuss the matters of why rides should stay and go, but any discussion I've ever seen ends in hostility, because the groups that want these rides to stay refuse to bend their ideals even a little bit. Like tramp said...."I like change as long as nothing changes." These groups like to brag about being all for the progress of WDW, as long as it fits their narrow definition of what that progress should be, and how they interpret what walt's vision would be many years after his death.
Walt Disney was a horrible businessman....that's why he needed help. That much has always been known. In fact, if not for the intervention of others, his dream and his vision would never have been accomplished. He was forced to sacrifice some of his ideas to make others work....new and better ideas. In fact, his vision of Epcot is nothing close to what it is today. Do I see these "save CoP" groups boycotting Epcot because Walt had nothing to do with any phase of the design process? I think not. The people left running the company were left to make the big decisions. And they did a damn god job of it. Why not trust them, sacrifice some dreams and visions to accomplish something even bigger.....even better than before.
That is the TRUE spirit of Walt Disney.....make the masses happy....Not make the 5% happy.
As for the CoP debate.....if they're watching that, they have also probably figured out that the people who want to keep it will be the ones making all the noise...the rest are content to let it go away quietly (or not so quietly). Either way, they're not going to decide the fate of a ride solely on a website chat forum. For Disney to get rid of a ride takes a lot of factors, the most being attendance (CoP is only open seasonaly...bad start...if it was hugely popular, WDW would keep it open year round.) Then come surveys of the people in the parks asking what rides they've ridden and how they rate those experiences. Most of you have seen the people with "disney research" shirts on wandering the parks asking guests questions late at night. This is how they make decisions on where to improve...if they find a low score for something, you can bet your bottom dollar they're gonna try a fix for it...even if that means bringing in a bulldozer.
Remember....people like the "save cop" and "save toad" groups are very much in the minority. They may be a vocal minority, but they still are well-dwarfed by what most people say and think. Also, Disney knows that these groups tend to be a bit unstable, and even a bit hostile. They have been known to take precautions to protect themselves and their guests against these types of groups. I remember when Toad was going away, and the "save toad" group did nothing but make themselves look foolish in the end because they started trying every tactic in the book to save it. But in the end, you all see how well this group did. They lost....not because they didn't care, but because they were outvoted by many many more people. This is FACT....don't try and debate me on it. Don't let these vocal groups fool you...little "web polls" and "save CoP" petitions are going to amount to nothing, because in the end, Disney will continue to do what it takes to move FORWARD.....funny how CoP will disappear someday to make way for the very thing it teaches about - progress. The parks MUST continue to evolve and change. If WDW didnt' get rid of rides, there would be empty show builidings everywhere, because some rides would simply get NO attendance. The numbers speak for themselves. Not one guy who says "well it was packed and got a standing ovation the day I was there", because another person (me), can say "There were 5 people in the theater, and 2 were asleep when I went." So there goes your public opinion....ends in a stale mate. I'd love to sit and discuss the matters of why rides should stay and go, but any discussion I've ever seen ends in hostility, because the groups that want these rides to stay refuse to bend their ideals even a little bit. Like tramp said...."I like change as long as nothing changes." These groups like to brag about being all for the progress of WDW, as long as it fits their narrow definition of what that progress should be, and how they interpret what walt's vision would be many years after his death.
Walt Disney was a horrible businessman....that's why he needed help. That much has always been known. In fact, if not for the intervention of others, his dream and his vision would never have been accomplished. He was forced to sacrifice some of his ideas to make others work....new and better ideas. In fact, his vision of Epcot is nothing close to what it is today. Do I see these "save CoP" groups boycotting Epcot because Walt had nothing to do with any phase of the design process? I think not. The people left running the company were left to make the big decisions. And they did a damn god job of it. Why not trust them, sacrifice some dreams and visions to accomplish something even bigger.....even better than before.
That is the TRUE spirit of Walt Disney.....make the masses happy....Not make the 5% happy.
Chester&Hester Enthusiast
Well-Known Member
VERY well said!
Fievel, I think you make a very valid point. We who frequent these Disney fan sites tend to forget that we're in the minority, and that the "average" park guest doesn't care about the history, changes, or nuances of the rides. He/she wants to be entertained, period. If it can be done with 40 year old technology, or a "Disneyfied" carnival ride, so be it. WDW is an entertainment buffet...there is something for everyone. I may not understand why you would prefer one choice over another....as long as there are enough choices, people will keep returning. However, just as in my analogy, if the chef discovers that no one seems to be eating an item, or eating very little of it, he will either try to change the recipe or remove it from the menu. The trick is in finding something better to replace it, or at least finding something acceptable to "fill out"the table until he can think of something better.
BTW....I'm not crazy about the "octopus" type rides, which is what Aladdin, Dumbo, and Triceratops spin are, but appreciate their existance as a way to cut down lines for other attractions. And I thought Primeval Whirl was fun....not the best (by a long shot) ride in WDW, but certainly more fun than some others. (IMO....again, different tastes) My riding it freed a seat in ITTBAB for someone else....and that's the whole idea!
BTW....I'm not crazy about the "octopus" type rides, which is what Aladdin, Dumbo, and Triceratops spin are, but appreciate their existance as a way to cut down lines for other attractions. And I thought Primeval Whirl was fun....not the best (by a long shot) ride in WDW, but certainly more fun than some others. (IMO....again, different tastes) My riding it freed a seat in ITTBAB for someone else....and that's the whole idea!
mightyduck
Well-Known Member
Once again, I feel bad about myself for taking the time to read all of this....
Anyone remember when Chit Chat was a relatively happy place that didn't need a reason to exist? Anyone remember when Steve said he was giving us chit chat to cut down on thread drift in other forums?
Last summer, this forum was my refuge. It was happy most of the time and supportive. I suppose any time things grow to this size, it's going to become diversified and change....
IMO (which isn't worth much, I grant you), if you don't like someone, try the ignore feature. If you know a thread will annoy you, skip it.
And I'd also like to add, there is no reason for anyone to start threads with the intention of causing friction. If the last time you started a thread on a particular topic ended badly, please don't keep rewriting the same stuff.
Anyone remember when Chit Chat was a relatively happy place that didn't need a reason to exist? Anyone remember when Steve said he was giving us chit chat to cut down on thread drift in other forums?
Last summer, this forum was my refuge. It was happy most of the time and supportive. I suppose any time things grow to this size, it's going to become diversified and change....
IMO (which isn't worth much, I grant you), if you don't like someone, try the ignore feature. If you know a thread will annoy you, skip it.
And I'd also like to add, there is no reason for anyone to start threads with the intention of causing friction. If the last time you started a thread on a particular topic ended badly, please don't keep rewriting the same stuff.
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