Scooter accident

[ninjaprincesst]

"Too hard"... never said that. But I will say that If it is easy, you're doing it wrong. You'e parenting experience may hold some good advice for he rest of us. How did you prevent your 4 year old from frisking about?

Children do stupid stuff. It is impossible to prevent all of it. They are children. Jumping up and down for no apparent reason, running in circles, eating dead bugs, playing in their poo, touching a hot stove, and darting about on sidewalks is what they do. ...that and about 1000 other things. Keeping children from darting into the street for no reason is a parental focus. Darting about a sidewalk is not. I refuse to let it become a thing without a fight. No matter what my kid does on a sidewalk, you hit them with a vehicle, you are wrong and liable.

I never said ban handicapped people from parks. You're putting words into my mouth (cheap debate tactic). Just dangerous vehicles. There is a huge difference.

My child was taught from day one that you conduct yourself like a lady at all times that you do not ever run off from whatever adult you are with and that running around is never ever acceptable and I never had an issue. my daughter never felt the need to be "frisky" she knew how to behave and stay with her party. running around does not equate a good time. She has also been a martial artist since she was 5 and has deep rooted self control, discipline and self respect because of it.

 

[GrammieBee]

Deliver us from all those superior perfect entitled people who have all the answers and know just how all the rest of us should conduct our lives so that they are not inconvenienced or offended by us.

I will continue to use my scooter at Disney and anywhere else I so choose.. Since it is not street legal. I will drive it on sidewalks, the "streets" of Disney, up and down ramps, in lines, in stores, on buses and monorails and at shows. I WILL ALSO CONTINUE TO BE CAREFUL OF AND PATIENT AND POLITE TO THOSE AROUND ME. If my being there in a scooter upsets anyone who feels they are entitled to do whatever they want whenever they want while being completely oblivious to anyone and anything around them, that's just too darn bad. I would rather, once again, be able to walk around the parks, but I can not. I am thankful that Disney has made it possible for me to continue to enjoy the parks and certainly do not appreciate anyone telling me I am a menace to adults and children, that I try to run into them and should not be there in my "motorized vehicle".

i am sorry if someone has run into or bumped you, but Instead of lumping us all together, save your complaining for the small percentage who are actually careless drivers and generally rude people. Unfortunately, with the crowds at the Disney parks, a small percentage can end up being quite a few people. However, the vast majority of scooter drivers are not out to run you down if you are in their way. Most scooter users will do their best to avoid doing just that. Also, don't forget some problems are ACTUALLY caused by the pedestrian not watching what they were doing or where they were going. (Please don't give me the crap that it HAS to be the scooter driver's fault. Even in an auto accident it isn't always the driver's fault.)

Edited for punctuation.

 

[daisyduckie]

<BEGIN SARCASM>

Let's see, then shall we add:

- a stroller lane
- a wheelchair lane
- senior citizen lane (walkers, canes, etc)
- VIP lane

Everyone would need to pass an education course before visiting so they know the traffic rules, and how to obey the traffic enforcement CM's.

How shall we pay for this? Those who didn't want the lanes in the first place would need to pay for them, right?

</END SARCASM>

And then we all need to be taught to march in formation, and maybe even how to hold our arms up in the air.

 

[Incomudro]

Not everyone who uses a scooter is "morbidly obese"! @Incomudro

I know this.
But many are. What percentage of scooter riders they make up, I do not know.
Many people have eaten their way onto these, and now - not needing to be concerned about walking again are content to stay on them and consume even more massive calories.
That is a fact.

 

[Incomudro]

"Too hard"... never said that. But I will say that If it is easy, you're doing it wrong. You'e parenting experience may hold some good advice for he rest of us. How did you prevent your 4 year old from frisking about?

Children do stupid stuff. It is impossible to prevent all of it. They are children. Jumping up and down for no apparent reason, running in circles, eating dead bugs, playing in their poo, touching a hot stove, and darting about on sidewalks is what they do. ...that and about 1000 other things. Keeping children from darting into the street for no reason is a parental focus. Darting about a sidewalk is not. I refuse to let it become a thing without a fight. No matter what my kid does on a sidewalk, you hit them with a vehicle, you are wrong and liable.

I never said ban handicapped people from parks. You're putting words into my mouth (cheap debate tactic). Just dangerous vehicles. There is a huge difference.

And remember, we are talking about a theme park here - not a real world situation.
We are talking about a theme park loaded with children and gawkers of all ages milling about, looking around, looking at maps and taking in the sights and generally not paying attention to the idea that they may be struck by an electric powered vehicle.

 

[daisyduckie]

I know this.
But many are. What percentage of scooter riders they make up, I do not know.
Many people have eaten their way onto these, and now - not needing to be concerned about walking again are content to stay on them and consume even more massive calories.
That is a fact.

Not sure where you are getting your "facts". Fox "News" perhaps???

 

[ninjaprincesst]

<BEGIN SARCASM>

Let's see, then shall we add:

- a stroller lane
- a wheelchair lane
- senior citizen lane (walkers, canes, etc)
- VIP lane

Everyone would need to pass an education course before visiting so they know the traffic rules, and how to obey the traffic enforcement CM's.

How shall we pay for this? Those who didn't want the lanes in the first place would need to pay for them, right?

</END SARCASM>[/Q

And remember, we are talking about a theme park here - not a real world situation.
We are talking about a theme park loaded with children and gawkers of all ages milling about, looking around, looking at maps and taking in the sights and generally not paying attention to the idea that they may be struck by an electric powered vehicle.

Again it is not the scooter drivers fault people don't pay attention and this is coming from a 2 time person injured by scooters. 9 out of 10 of them are responsible and aware but they can't be in charge of both themselves and everyone else, pedestrians have to pay attention, jus like you pay attention to someone else walking, a 4 your old run into by a 250 pound walking adult is not good either.

 

[Saxtongoof]

I agree that most scooters drivers at WDW are aware of other people. But there been quite a few times that I been hit by them. Most of the times they were talking to another person on and off a scooter. But to be fair I have been hit more often by people walking and not watching what they are doing. I expect to be run over by muchins while at WDW. There too much for them to absorb. But I also notice that those with grandparents are better minded than those with their parents.

 

[jaklgreen]

Yea, until those same jumpy kids go into it in front of the chair or scooter.

Who has been talking about a sidewalk... as far as I know we have all been talking about the street. However, that said, accidents can happen on sidewalks as well. Because someone is hit it doesn't mean that it wasn't an accident. That's why the call them accidents and not intentionals. I also, having been a parent and a grand parent, know that kids aren't stupid. If you spend enough time instilling the dangers and possible consequences you would be amazed at how aware they are. If all you do as a parent is say... oh, well, kids will dart about, so everyone else is responsible, then it still isn't the kids fault and you will get to reap what you sew. And I sincerely doubt that just because you are going to go ballistic on someone that had the nerve to accidentally hurt your child it will change the outcome because by the time you get to that the damage is already done. You are then being reactive and not proactive. A sad trend in today's society. Take the necessary steps to prevent the accident, not show how tough you can be after the fact. And by the way, doing stupid stuff is not something exclusive to children.

I have to say I agree with you on this "old school" parenting. I feel like we are one of the last parents that actually are aware of our surroundings and are very proactive on heading off any disaster. I have even caught other people's kid as they were falling off of a chair when they were sitting next to us because the parents put the 1yo on the chair and got distracted by their phone. We have also been next to a family in line at US and their kid was swinging on the chain. When my daughter saw him do that and tried to do that herself, I told her right away to not even think about it, that it was dangerous and you will fall and crack your head open. Not even 30 seconds later the kid fell back and cracked his head on the concrete. We felt the impact in our feet and they took him to first aid because it was such a bad impact. We have pulled our kids out of the path of others not paying attention too many times to count. If you choose to take a laissez faire attitude with raising your kids, that is on you. But then you can not blame others if something happens. Children need adults to look out for them and to teach them of dangers. If they were capable of making smart decisions, we would give birth to them and they would get a job and move out right away. Childhood lasts around 18 years for a reason. It is hard raising kids. You can not mentally shut down at places like WDW.

 

[jaklgreen]

I agree with most of that. Still, the point of contention remains what should, or should not, constitute a safe zone for kids (and adults) to frisk.

It is not that it is "unsafe". There are just so many people that you have to be aware of your surroundings. You can not expect the whole world to part like the red sea for your kids. In crowded areas you need to keep them close and make sure they understand that they need to stick to you like glue. Do none of you remember how your Mom raised you? Go and ask her if she put the fear of all that is holy in you when you went to a crowed place. And how she kept a death grip on you.

 

[jaklgreen]

Deliver us from all those superior perfect entitled people who have all the answers and know just how all the rest of us should conduct our lives so that they are not inconvenienced or offended by us.

I will continue to use my scooter at Disney and anywhere else I so choose.. Since it is not street legal. I will drive it on sidewalks, the "streets" of Disney, up and down ramps, in lines, in stores, on buses and monorails and at shows. I WILL ALSO CONTINUE TO BE CAREFUL OF AND PATIENT AND POLITE TO THOSE AROUND ME. If my being there in a scooter upsets anyone who feels they are entitled to do whatever they want whenever they want while being completely oblivious to anyone and anything around them, that's just too darn bad. I would rather, once again, be able to walk around the parks, but I can not. I am thankful that Disney has made it possible for me to continue to enjoy the parks and certainly do not appreciate anyone telling me I am a menace to adults and children, that I try to run into them and should not be there in my "motorized vehicle".

i am sorry if someone has run into or bumped you, but Instead of lumping us all together, save your complaining for the small percentage who are actually careless drivers and generally rude people. Unfortunately, with the crowds at the Disney parks, a small percentage can end up being quite a few people. However, the vast majority of scooter drivers are not out to run you down if you are in their way. Most scooter users will do their best to avoid doing just that. Also, don't forget some problems are ACTUALLY caused by the pedestrian not watching what they were doing or where they were going. (Please don't give me the crap that it HAS to be the scooter driver's fault. Even in an auto accident it isn't always the driver's fault.)

Edited for punctuation.

We have been going to WDW for over 20 years. I have never been hit by an ECV. But we are pretty aware of our surroundings. At most, we get bottle necked behind a slow moving one for a bit before we can pass, but that is the extent of any annoyance of them. I am all for them if you need them. I always say that when I get old(or injured) and need to use one then I will happily rent one to be able to still enjoy going to WDW. Right now I am thrilled that I can walk on my own.

 

[Goofyernmost]

We have been going to WDW for over 20 years. I have never been hit by an ECV. But we are pretty aware of our surroundings. At most, we get bottle necked behind a slow moving one for a bit before we can pass, but that is the extent of any annoyance of them. I am all for them if you need them. I always say that when I get old(or injured) and need to use one then I will happily rent on to be able to still enjoy going to WDW. Right now I am thrilled that I can walk on my own.

That is exactly the way that I feel. I just turned 68 today and other then the one time when I had a leg injury I have never needed one and have not even considered getting one. My leg still, 7 years later, does get sore and fatigued, but, until I have too I will never go that route. When I do, then all those people that find it necessary to look down their noses and decide that I am too fat and lazy to walk, can place a well placed kiss on my obese butt.

 

[mf1972]

That is exactly the way that I feel. I just turned 68 today and other then the one time when I had a leg injury I have never needed one and have not even considered getting one. My leg still, 7 years later, does get sore and fatigued, but, until I have too I will never go that route. When I do, then all those people that find it necessary to look down their noses and decide that I am too fat and lazy to walk, can place a well placed kiss on my obese butt.

happy birthday goofy!

 

[HRHPrincessAriel]

My child was taught from day one that you conduct yourself like a lady at all times that you do not ever run off from whatever adult you are with and that running around is never ever acceptable and I never had an issue. my daughter never felt the need to be "frisky" she knew how to behave and stay with her party. running around does not equate a good time. She has also been a martial artist since she was 5 and has deep rooted self control, discipline and self respect because of it.

Do you give classes or something? I have a very well behaved child but let's face it she's a child and can/will act up on occasion. I wish I could be a perfect parent.

 

[ninjaprincesst]

Do you think that some type of motorized wheelchair "lane" could help with this at all? Could it practically work?

I t could bur it would need to be for wheelchairs and strollers as well. People use those strollers as battering rams and hit people on purpose.

 

[PhilharMagician]

<BEGIN SARCASM>

Let's see, then shall we add:

- a stroller lane
- a wheelchair lane
- senior citizen lane (walkers, canes, etc)
- VIP lane

Everyone would need to pass an education course before visiting so they know the traffic rules, and how to obey the traffic enforcement CM's.

How shall we pay for this? Those who didn't want the lanes in the first place would need to pay for them, right?

</END SARCASM>

Sarcasm, heck I love it. I have left the parks bruised and bleeding from strollers clipping my ankles and nearly being taken off of my feet by scooters.

They are needed, but some people are just downright rude and obnoxious and do not care who they hit.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

Again it is not the scooter drivers fault people don't pay attention and this is coming from a 2 time person injured by scooters. 9 out of 10 of them are responsible and aware but they can't be in charge of both themselves and everyone else, pedestrians have to pay attention, jus like you pay attention to someone else walking, a 4 your old run into by a 250 pound walking adult is not good either.

And just wait for the pedestrian accidents with kids (AND adults) colliding into you while playing Pokemon Go...

 

[jloucks]

It is not that it is "unsafe". There are just so many people that you have to be aware of your surroundings. You can not expect the whole world to part like the red sea for your kids. In crowded areas you need to keep them close and make sure they understand that they need to stick to you like glue. Do none of you remember how your Mom raised you? Go and ask her if she put the fear of all that is holy in you when you went to a crowed place. And how she kept a death grip on you.

The only thing I disagree with is that fear of being hit by a vehicle on a WDW sidewalk is something we as parents should have to train. Be aware of cars on real streets, yes. Be aware of swimming pools, yes. Be aware of strangers, yes. Snakes,yes. Guns, yes. Drugs, yes. STDs, yes. Be aware that running in a crowd is dangerous, yes. Be aware of motor vehicles on sidewalks, no.

Certain people keep blatantly exaggerating my statements. I never said part the seas for kids. I never said a lot of the vitriol that is being spewed. My children are well behaved. They don't run rampant. They do circle around me in a 2-4 foot radius. they are yes mam, no mam kids. They do occasional make weird erratic movements that could result in a craptastic scooter driver ramming them. They stand still, which could also result in a scooter ramming them. They are little and delicate, hence the problem. They do frolic and play. They do speak politely, and freely. they are top 10% of their class. ...well, one is. My point being, my kids are fine, they are not the problem.

 

[Goofyernmost]

The only thing I disagree with is that fear of being hit by a vehicle on a WDW sidewalk is something we as parents should have to train. Be aware of cars on real streets, yes. Be aware of swimming pools, yes. Be aware of strangers, yes. Snakes,yes. Guns, yes. Drugs, yes. STDs, yes. Be aware that running in a crowd is dangerous, yes. Be aware of motor vehicles on sidewalks, no.

Certain people keep blatantly exaggerating my statements. I never said part the seas for kids. I never said a lot of the vitriol that is being spewed. My children are well behaved. They don't run rampant. They do circle around me in a 2-4 foot radius. they are yes mam, no mam kids. They do occasional make weird erratic movements that could result in a craptastic scooter driver ramming them. They stand still, which could also result in a scooter ramming them. They are little and delicate, hence the problem. They do frolic and play. They do speak politely, and freely. they are top 10% of their class. ...well, one is. My point being, my kids are fine, they are not the problem.

When you need a wheelchair or scooter because you cannot walk on a sidewalk then by definition it is their way of walking. People with two healthy legs do not have ownership of a sidewalk. You know, at one point, I was angry with the way you saw yourself in relation to the rest of the world, now all I can do is hope for your sake that no adversity ever hits you that puts you in the position that you so adamantly curse. It can happen, it happened to me in the blink of an eye. I was fortunate enough to recover due to hard work in rehab and on my own, I am now able to walk with no real problem nor any noticeable limp, but, I do have to go down hills and stairs with great caution due to destroyed nerve endings. You might not be so lucky and believe me I know just how lucky I am.

It is your job to protect your children from harm not mine or anyone else's and I will swear on any stack of bibles you can come up with that no one would intentionally run down a kid. So where does that leave your responsibility?

 

[unkadug]

The only thing I disagree with is that fear of being hit by a vehicle on a WDW sidewalk is something we as parents should have to train. Be aware of cars on real streets, yes. Be aware of swimming pools, yes. Be aware of strangers, yes. Snakes,yes. Guns, yes. Drugs, yes. STDs, yes. Be aware that running in a crowd is dangerous, yes. Be aware of motor vehicles on sidewalks, no.

Certain people keep blatantly exaggerating my statements. I never said part the seas for kids. I never said a lot of the vitriol that is being spewed. My children are well behaved. They don't run rampant. They do circle around me in a 2-4 foot radius. they are yes mam, no mam kids. They do occasional make weird erratic movements that could result in a craptastic scooter driver ramming them. They stand still, which could also result in a scooter ramming them. They are little and delicate, hence the problem. They do frolic and play. They do speak politely, and freely. they are top 10% of their class. ...well, one is. My point being, my kids are fine, they are not the problem.

Unfortunately these vehicles are everywhere. Are you telling us that just because you do not like them that you shouldn't have to watch out for them or watch your kids to make sure that this potential harm doesn't befall them

You are willing to admit that there are other hidden dangers, but this one is not one that you chose to acknowledge.

It is a fact of life that you will see these in all walks of life. Why do you think WDW should be the exception?