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Say goodbye to ALL the clubs at PI.
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jakeman
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That would be good business. Why keep something that doesn't profit?
Legacy
Well-Known Member
Because the fanboys want it.
PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
From what I've heard, AdvClub was one of the more profitable places at PI. During convention season, it was constantly rented out.
Timmay
Well-Known Member
It's more than that...they just don't give any thought as to what is best overall for the majority of visitors...they only care about what is best for them. Many things I have enjoyed at DL and WDW have closed...I may not have liked it, but with a little objective thought, I could understand the reasons.
Again, if it was turning a significant enough profit, the palce wouldn't be closing. Period.
ClemsonTigger
Naturally Grumpy
Sorry, but I have to disagree. If it were a bar, plain and simple...it would have three times as much bar space. And how do you figure that an establishment does not make money selling soft drinks? Pennies for the syrup and charge $2.50 or $3.00? I suggest you rethink. Oh, and then there is that $20+ dollar "cover charge"....
AEfx
Well-Known Member
Hmmm...business wise that's a good plan. It wasn't what I was suggesting, nor am I "supporting" the closure of this bar, but I certainly understand why PI is going away.
/sigh
You are directing your anger/grumpiness at the wrong target. I'm just explaining how this is looked at business wise. You see, I don't have an emotional investment here either way - I couldn't care less if the place exists, I couldn't care less if it disapears of the face of the earth.
The point of a nightclub like that is to sell drinks at a bar. It really is that simple. Nothing to suggest I "rethink", sipping sodas (even gulping sodas) is not profitable for a bar - that's why they don't generally have "soda bars", that's what they have outdoor carts for LOL. It's not that they don't make *something* on the deal, it's just far less than the profit you get from alcoholic beverages, especially since many people can spend $50+ on one night of drinks (crazy to me, but pretty typical of a lot of bar/nightclub patrons).
The business plan of a nightclub is to attract patrons with the "free" entertainment so they spend the money on booze. Of course they make a bit off of soda - but the point is, not enough to subsidize the entire operation. You are just nitpicking here because you are upset.
As to the $20 "cover charge", not a lot of people bought individual PI tickets, which again is part of the problem. A very large portion of the patrons got in "free" because it was included in their admission (MYW, AP's, or other promotions). It also covered all of the clubs, not just this one (and don't forget they have to pay everyone - the people tending the window where tickets are bought to the security guards, etc.) Perhaps if they had an actual individual admission it would have been more profitable, but in practice that's just not how it worked.
Unless you are all wrapped up in this, it's pretty easy to see all the factors here as to why this place is going away just like the rest. For all those who are traumatized here, like anyone who's losing an attraction I feel for you - and it's too bad it can't be moved elsewhere, etc. But you can't let that color the understanding of why this is happening.
AEfx
wickedfan07
Member
It is clear why PI is closing. I understand the idea the Disney is a business and the dead weight must be cut off for the business to survive. However, when someone feels a strong connection to something, be it an entertainment facility or something else, that someone is going to feel sad and get bent out of shape over losing it. It's this thing we call nostalgia.
I wrote a paper on the nostalgia of theme parks last semester. Psychological research shows that nostalgia is triggered by negative emotion. When you feel sad, you naturally try to remember the good times. By remembering a night when the Adventurer's Club was packed and full of happy "adventuruers," a person is just dealing with losing something that was important to them. It is a completely natural reaction.
Nostalgia is the whole reason Disney exists. Disneyland was designed with nostalgia in mind. Walt obivously felt nostalgia for his hometown, or he would not have included it as Main Street, USA. There was obviously some allure in the Wild West and in exploration of the unknown, because Frontierland and Adventureland were included, too. Nostalgia is what keeps us coming back. It's why people come on here and post, "Wow I had such an awful day but now I'm getting my Disney fix." The Disney name is associated with happiness. If it weren't for this high leel of nostalgia towards their name, Disney could have and would have been in business with Six Flags or Cedar Fair a long time ago. (Many more people probably talk fondly about Disney than say, "Wow, I need to get my Cedar Point fix!" as an example.)
I think many of the people that certain posters have labeled as "fanboys" are simply just nostalgic Disney fans and not radical in any real way. Yes, the Epcot/Horizons/World of Motion/Imagination/1982/etc lovers go on and on, but they obviously feel a strong connection to that place and those attractions and have a nostalgia for the optimistic vision of the future they provided. (There's not enough optimisn in the world today anyway; I can understand why we're attached to Epcot's original futuristic vision.) Having fond memories of the past is a human thing, not some fanboy-exclusive trait. If you can get past the nostalgia element quickly, congratulations; you are one step ahead of Disney and will immediately understand every business move they make. Not everyone can, will or should.
Basically, I'm asking everyone to watch who they label a fanboy. Fanboy status does come from simply and only being nostalgic about past attractions or something that is closing. Nostalgia is a human thing, and without the nostalgia associated with Disney, repeat trips by Guests and probably some first trips would never happen. There are two bottom lines in disney: the profit line and the nostalgia line, and they've got to keep both in balance or risk losing big time.
That said, I hope they replace these PI clubs with something that I WANT tpo be nostalgic about as opposed to more run of the mill, I can get this anywhere stores and restaurants.
Legacy
Well-Known Member
From the pinnicle of pop-culture referencing: Urban Dictionary!
Fanboy - A passionate fan of various elements of geek culture (e.g. sci-fi, comics, Star Wars, video games, anime, hobbits, Magic: the Gathering, etc.), but who lets his passion override social graces. Link.
I have no problem with fans who are nostalgic. My gosh, I look back at the wicked cool propeller room from Dreamflight with a smile on my face. What frustrates me (and what the definitition of "fanboy" touches on) is the extremity that fanboys take that passion. Their passion and nostalgia makes it difficult for them to see the forest through the trees, as it were. It's highly frustrating when I'm attempting to explain how I feel Epcot is currently great and could be made better when all I'm getting in response is, "Da kurrent Epcotsuxers, We wotts E.P.C.O.T bak!" (Just an example). Refusing to see the benefits of reality or the current iteration of things because nostalgia is running your way of thinking is childish, IMO. We weren't made to live in the past.
But then again... this is Disney we're talking about. What does reality have to do with any of it.
Fanboy - A passionate fan of various elements of geek culture (e.g. sci-fi, comics, Star Wars, video games, anime, hobbits, Magic: the Gathering, etc.), but who lets his passion override social graces. Link.
I have no problem with fans who are nostalgic. My gosh, I look back at the wicked cool propeller room from Dreamflight with a smile on my face. What frustrates me (and what the definitition of "fanboy" touches on) is the extremity that fanboys take that passion. Their passion and nostalgia makes it difficult for them to see the forest through the trees, as it were. It's highly frustrating when I'm attempting to explain how I feel Epcot is currently great and could be made better when all I'm getting in response is, "Da kurrent Epcotsuxers, We wotts E.P.C.O.T bak!" (Just an example). Refusing to see the benefits of reality or the current iteration of things because nostalgia is running your way of thinking is childish, IMO. We weren't made to live in the past.
But then again... this is Disney we're talking about. What does reality have to do with any of it.
wickedfan07
Member
I agree with you on that. I'm just trying to say that this reaction, though sometimes extreme, is a natural phenomenon. Being upset about the Adventurer's Club is one thing because it's recent, but I still don't understand how people are still upset over the closing of Horizons or even World of Motion. That was around a decade ago and the world has changed tons since then. Let's get over it and move on.
I try to avoid thinking with a fanboy attitude, but sometimes I get caught up in things and it happens. That doesn't make me an ogre, and that's what I was trying to explain in the last post. (I'm not calling you out in particular, and I think we agree on most of this anyway.)
As far as your last comment goes. It's unfortunate that we have to deal with reality, but without it there would be no reason for fantasy (which is the root of all the wonderful things we all find to complain about here).
Legacy
Well-Known Member
My diatribe against fanboys wasn't directed at you or really anyone in particular (at least... anyone who still posts here... :lookaroun ), it was just my opinion on the matter because I felt it was appropriate to bring up in light of a lot of the reactions to the closure of Pleasure Island in general. Granted, I've never been so I don't have any nostalgia working against my opinion of the situation, but from what I've read about WHY it's closing it makes enough sense for me to shrug, say, "Darn it" and move on. I actually try to avoid the rabid fanboys who can't see logic through their Disney-colored glasses, which is why most of my posts are typically focused at specific people.
Regardless, the irony of this place is why stick around. We are fans of Disney yet come here to complain. We come here to get our "Disney Fix" when it can actually ruin our opinions of the park. We use Disney to escape reality, but then post here which focuses solely on the reality of the Disney parks.
It makes me chuckle.
GymLeaderPhil
Well-Known Member
Makes me wonder whether or not these parties will be issued refunds OR that perhaps this space is being converted for events till a future use is determined.
What ever the case may be, I would kill to see Halloween at the Adv. Club at least one more time. Pun intended.
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Also, on a personal request issue, if you're at the club within the next three months - stop asking the cast about the closure. Seriously. These people have to stay in character and, from what I've gathered, have legal and professional obligations to adhere to. Nothing kills the mood faster than asking "So what do you think about closing?" or derailing a scripted show.
Enjoy what little time we have left to booze it up. Let these actors and actresses go out with a huge hoopla.
jt04
Well-Known Member
Also, if all goes well, it makes it much more likely that the concept will return in the future at a different location. Any scenarios as JH described could ruin any chance of a new and improved version of hoopla.
unkadug
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DisneyDellsDude
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Chernabogfan
New Member
After reading through this entire thread, Wicked's above post and AEfx's explanations have made the most common sense. I have very fond memories, or nostalgia, if you will, :animwink:, of PI in the early days. I was a young twentysomething enjoying the island and the clubs after an initial dinner at the Fireworks Factory. Had a ball and love the memories of those trips. I agree with those who say the beginning of the end of PI was the removal of the turnstiles.
Now, as a 41 year old father of 3 girls, we don't even venture on to PI. I understood it as not a family friendly place. I hold no hostility over this fact, nor did I lament the absence of family activities on the resort. Just the opposite, there is more than enough to do. I, like AEfx, hold no emotional tie there. I can recognize the need for advances to be made, especially whan the theme has ventured too far away from it's original intent.
Part of what I love about Disney is the constant change, it's what keeps bringing me back. The original EPCOT was extraordinary, but it's evolution has been great as well. The removal of 20,000 Leagues was a drag, but it was replaced by Pooh's Playful Spot, which is great fun for my children, and I look forward to whatever eventually occupies the leftover space. One of my favorite all time things at the resort is Illuminations:Reflections of Earth. I hear rumors that it is approaching replacement time for that particular display. If that comes to pass, I will be saddened, but I will also be filled with anticipation as for what's to come because after all, It's Disney. I guess I'm one of the lucky few who can balance nostalgia with the need for change. I submit it is the evolution itself that keeps Disney fresh for me & my family. It's why I've been coming back from no matter where I'm living at the time. Perhaps that's why I'm not rattled by all this. It would be a shame to see the area devoted to outside retail, but again, peoples priorities change.
I would never presume to tell a fan that their attatchement is short sighted. All I would say is the adoption of my current attitude toward Disney has made it that much more enjoyable for me personally, as a child, teen, college student, young adult, and father.
Cheers!
Now, as a 41 year old father of 3 girls, we don't even venture on to PI. I understood it as not a family friendly place. I hold no hostility over this fact, nor did I lament the absence of family activities on the resort. Just the opposite, there is more than enough to do. I, like AEfx, hold no emotional tie there. I can recognize the need for advances to be made, especially whan the theme has ventured too far away from it's original intent.
Part of what I love about Disney is the constant change, it's what keeps bringing me back. The original EPCOT was extraordinary, but it's evolution has been great as well. The removal of 20,000 Leagues was a drag, but it was replaced by Pooh's Playful Spot, which is great fun for my children, and I look forward to whatever eventually occupies the leftover space. One of my favorite all time things at the resort is Illuminations:Reflections of Earth. I hear rumors that it is approaching replacement time for that particular display. If that comes to pass, I will be saddened, but I will also be filled with anticipation as for what's to come because after all, It's Disney. I guess I'm one of the lucky few who can balance nostalgia with the need for change. I submit it is the evolution itself that keeps Disney fresh for me & my family. It's why I've been coming back from no matter where I'm living at the time. Perhaps that's why I'm not rattled by all this. It would be a shame to see the area devoted to outside retail, but again, peoples priorities change.
I would never presume to tell a fan that their attatchement is short sighted. All I would say is the adoption of my current attitude toward Disney has made it that much more enjoyable for me personally, as a child, teen, college student, young adult, and father.
Cheers!
DznyGrlSD
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