I haven't seen RoL in person yet and talk down on the show since it does lack that oomph (something else, doesn't need fireworks, music is great), I'll agree with you there. I can excuse RoL since it is a brand new show that they are trying to tweak. Fantasmic has been here for nearly 20 years and it feels like it. RoE has been around nearly as long and Wishes was nearly 15, they both never let me down. I saw Fantasmic twice, once around 2003-ish and once in 2016. Even "little me" was bored by the show mainly because it felt like I was watching "Disneys greatest hits" on water screens (I waited an hour in line for this?!). I stayed in 2003 because I wasn't one to complain and give up, I stayed in 2016 because of another family with us. If someone else would've said "lets go", I would've ran out of there.So... Unpopular Opinion Incoming:
Even with Pocahontas gone for something else, I would rather watch Rivers of Light than FantasmicHS Edition. I had the (dis?) pleasure of watching it tonight, in what is one of the most poorly laid out Ampitheatres made, and more people walked out mid-show (up to the Dragon Head on a Stick) than I had seen walk out on RoL. Most screens were about 50/50 between the quality of the Lotus and Big RoL mist screens, and the pacing is just off. Not saying this makes RoL amazing, it still needs serious improvements, but I am a lot more sympathetic with the original placement of TRON.
Another reminder of why being dead focused on little kids leads to terrible decisions: Kids being bored during test screenings almost lead to The Little Mermaid losing "Part of Your World". Howard Ashman fought Katzenberg hard in order to keep that number in the movie and it paid off.
About Rivers of Light? I've commended the music, but the show simply isn't good.Do you ever say anything positive?
I disagree on DHS. The viewing area is small (Although it's about to get a little bigger), but Star Wars: Galactic Spectacular is an excellent show.Well, that I can see.
Fantasmic! has a huge buzz-kill in the middle in the form of "And now... colonialists for no reason whatsoever!"
The DHS hub shows are crippled by:
- the poor surface of the Chinese theater (too small, low, and dark),
- the palm trees in the way,
- the stage in the way (though, that should hopefully be fixed soon),
- the trees at the back of the hub and buildings (esp. Bill & Min) blocking the view from further away,
- the generally smaller venue for people to pack themselves in,
- no seating
- reduced fireworks from the original SW show, and then reduced again due to brush fires
I like RoL for what it is, but I also agree it could be a whole lot better with little tweaks
And with a major one:
- have the shaman boats crisscross immediately in front of the audience so that they can be actually seen
- use the projectors in the lotus more often (a great effect that makes up for the background screen faltering)
- Build ruins into the lake that hide elevated water sprays that fill in the gaps and aren't ruined by a small breeze.
I don't think I'd ever voluntarily see RoL without a FP or dining package to guarantee a seat... nor if there weren't seats at all. But guarantee me a seat, and I'll happily enjoy the glow of RoL.
When did they blow up Mickey?Later. The progression was "Mini-Lanterns arriving before showtime>Shamans>Animals>Lotuses".
The purpose of the 100 mini-lanterns was to provide additional color and kinetics for the show and help carry the "Animal Spirit Parade" segment as the Lotuses were meant to come in as each of the Animal Spirits left their barges. The projections for the scene transition still show the animal spirits "trading places" with a lotus as each one appears. But because those mini-lanterns kept straining the computer guidance systems that run the show, they had to be dropped and the Lotuses had to pick up the slack and the show lost three minutes of runtime as a result of the switch affecting the pacing of said "Animal Spirit Parade" segment and needing to get the Shamans out on the water faster after cutting their procession through the theater.
I also loved Happily Ever After, but heard a legit complaint about it. Wishes was solid in and out of the park. Much of Happily Ever After is missed when watching outside the park.Slight tangent, but I think Happily Ever After is a huge improvement over Wishes. While I'm one of the biggest critics of random-character-sequence shows, at least there was an iota of thought put into the arrangement of scenes here, unlike any other castle show I've seen. And the beginning and end are so well put together. And the message is stronger. There's a reason it's so highly rated. Why would they even be thinking about a replacement already? Spend the money on a night parade.
I'd be more annoyed to see that go than Rivers of Light, and I love Rivers of Light in its own regard.
HEA is not a fireworks show. It is a show with fireworks.
Variety is the spice of life. In the enthusiasm with which projection mapping has been embraced for nighttime shows, WDW forgot that fireworks shows have an atmosphere all of their own.
Incidentally, originality is why I appreciate both of DAK's night shows, despite their shortcomings, perhaps even dullness.
About Rivers of Light? I've commended the music, but the show simply isn't good.
About other things, absolutely. I'm a big defender of Pandora, most of New Fantasyland and pretty much all of the announced changes to the parks except Epcot - I'm taking a pessimistic wait and see approach there.
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I disagree on DHS. The viewing area is small (Although it's about to get a little bigger), but Star Wars: Galactic Spectacular is an excellent show.
Expect SWAGS to undergo some changes for the betterI really liked SW: GS. I thought it was well put together. A few more fireworks would have been nice but I really enjoyed it and it seemed the guests around me did too. Lots of positive reactions. I guess if you don't like SW it won't really appeal to you but for what it is (and I'm a fan of SW, not hardcore, but a strong fan) it's a good show. I'd stop to see it again.
I also loved Happily Ever After, but heard a legit complaint about it. Wishes was solid in and out of the park. Much of Happily Ever After is missed when watching outside the park.
By no means am I advocating for IP in Rivers of Light. If that makes it a better show, so be it, but I'm just asking for a better show. The quality isn't there for a Disney nighttime show, IMO.Many of us think it is good, though. To each their own. Doesn't mean you have to tell people to not "defend" it because you don't like it. It's not bad. It needs work though. It isn't perfect but I like the bones of what's there. Shame more don't as it's not infused with IP. And no, not saying if you dislike it it means you want IP shoved in but that's exactly what will happen.
And @Magic Feather , HEA isn't considered a "real" replacement for Wishes? I'd say it more than qualifies. It's very well done. I don't know what more they can do to top it in the future besides new music and switching out scenes. I feel like any new show would probably pale if there's any cut down in time or fireworks.
My mother is relatively indifferent towards Star Wars and absolutely loved it. I understand that's only one person, but it hit the 68 year old grandmother demographic just as well as the Star Wars demographic.I really liked SW: GS. I thought it was well put together. A few more fireworks would have been nice but I really enjoyed it and it seemed the guests around me did too. Lots of positive reactions. I guess if you don't like SW it won't really appeal to you but for what it is (and I'm a fan of SW, not hardcore, but a strong fan) it's a good show. I'd stop to see it again.
It's hard to say how it would play out. I know I've seen Wishes from the beach of the Poly but to objectively measure a similar view of Happily Ever After would be impossible for me to do. Just an interesting point.HEA is significantly longer and has more fireworks, so is it really a worse show than Wishes from outside of the park? I haven't tested it out, but I don't see how it could be. If that guy were to watch both shows from the Grand Floridian, I'd wager he'd still like HEA better.
Your last sentence is absolutely true. But given the above, I'd actually say that's a testament to how much of an improvement it is. There is more to miss simply because there is more to the show. It's more than a "real replacement," it's, in part, an addition.
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