'rude' or 'ignorant'......that is the question.

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thomas998

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Smiley/OCD said:
It just makes you wonder what their mindsets are like...absolutely no consideration for anyone else and oblivious to what they are doing is wrong, rude and inconsiderate. My family would have been p***d that I ruined their day at the park, but I would have ruined his.
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I believe the mindset is, "I paid X amount of money more than I should have had to to get here, so I'm entitled to " and the other part is, "No one around here is going to say anything to me if I _"

Doesn't matter if you or 90% of the people that go there think differently, that is a big reason a lot of people do what they do at Disney. And part of it is the fault of Disney. When Disney charges more and more but shows you less and less some people will start to think they are entitled to something beyond the norm otherwise their brains are saying this isn't worth half of what I paid so I am entitled to do this... And worst still is when you see people cut in line and break rules right in front of CMs and no one says a word at some point your brain will start to say, no one cares what I do so I might as well do X. I mean think about it if a few people cut in line and you see CMs ignore it it is irritating, but at some point if the number of people cutting line just goes up and up at some point you are either going to have to start cutting in line as well or you'll never get on any rides.... Everyone has at some point the tipping point at which they will start doing things they know in their heart they shouldn't do or they will just stop going to Disney... this is someone that probably did what they did for one of those reasons even though they knew what they were doing was wrong.
 
Tick Tock

Tick Tock

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A lot of us are focusing strictly on the negative aspects of this story, while completely overlooking the fact that this guy realized his mistake in the end, and made a humble attempt at reconciliation.

What would the world be like if everyone became agitated simply because someone cut you in line, dipped part of their body into a potential beverage, then offered some to your baby?
 
jaklgreen

jaklgreen

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thomas998 said:
I believe the mindset is, "I paid X amount of money more than I should have had to to get here, so I'm entitled to " and the other part is, "No one around here is going to say anything to me if I _"

Doesn't matter if you or 90% of the people that go there think differently, that is a big reason a lot of people do what they do at Disney. And part of it is the fault of Disney. When Disney charges more and more but shows you less and less some people will start to think they are entitled to something beyond the norm otherwise their brains are saying this isn't worth half of what I paid so I am entitled to do this... And worst still is when you see people cut in line and break rules right in front of CMs and no one says a word at some point your brain will start to say, no one cares what I do so I might as well do X. I mean think about it if a few people cut in line and you see CMs ignore it it is irritating, but at some point if the number of people cutting line just goes up and up at some point you are either going to have to start cutting in line as well or you'll never get on any rides.... Everyone has at some point the tipping point at which they will start doing things they know in their heart they shouldn't do or they will just stop going to Disney... this is someone that probably did what they did for one of those reasons even though they knew what they were doing was wrong.
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It is not even about the money spent, that is just how people are now. I see it daily at my job over a $2.00 muffin. People are just rotten now.
 
jaklgreen

jaklgreen

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Tick Tock said:
A lot of us are focusing strictly on the negative aspects of this story, while completely overlooking the fact that this guy realized his mistake in the end, and made a humble attempt at reconciliation.

What would the world be like if everyone became agitated simply because someone cut you in line, dipped part of their body into a potential beverage, then offered some to your baby?
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Too little, too late. So he actually knew his actions were not acceptable, yet where was that thinking BEFORE he did it. That is what is lacking, the forethought of his actions. Why would it just kick in once he noticed that he was caught. That is the difference. There are still some people out there that think of their actions before they do them. This is what makes the world a completely different place.
 
John park hopper

John park hopper

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Tick Tock said:
A lot of us are focusing strictly on the negative aspects of this story, while completely overlooking the fact that this guy realized his mistake in the end, and made a humble attempt at reconciliation.

What would the world be like if everyone became agitated simply because someone cut you in line, dipped part of their body into a potential beverage, then offered some to your baby?
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You can't be serious---- a bit of sarcasm I hope
 
Smiley/OCD

Smiley/OCD

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thomas998 said:
I believe the mindset is, "I paid X amount of money more than I should have had to to get here, so I'm entitled to " and the other part is, "No one around here is going to say anything to me if I _"

Doesn't matter if you or 90% of the people that go there think differently, that is a big reason a lot of people do what they do at Disney. And part of it is the fault of Disney. When Disney charges more and more but shows you less and less some people will start to think they are entitled to something beyond the norm otherwise their brains are saying this isn't worth half of what I paid so I am entitled to do this... And worst still is when you see people cut in line and break rules right in front of CMs and no one says a word at some point your brain will start to say, no one cares what I do so I might as well do X. I mean think about it if a few people cut in line and you see CMs ignore it it is irritating, but at some point if the number of people cutting line just goes up and up at some point you are either going to have to start cutting in line as well or you'll never get on any rides.... Everyone has at some point the tipping point at which they will start doing things they know in their heart they shouldn't do or they will just stop going to Disney... this is someone that probably did what they did for one of those reasons even though they knew what they were doing was wrong.
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This doesn't really compare to someone cutting in line...this is a guy who thought nothing of sticking his whole hand, past his wrist into the water cooler just to get some ice out. It's just skeevey, disgusting and the epitome of WT...it's not a feeling of entitlement, that's just plain out gross, and I would have called him out right on the spot.
 
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drizgirl

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Come on now. Nobody is ignorant enough to think it's OK to stick their hand in the water jar. Just own it. You wanted to talk about how rude it was. And it was.
 
JIMINYCR

JIMINYCR

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If thats how he was brought up and he does those kind of things at home... then hes just being himself. So give him a break and let him enjoy his free ice water....a little bit of germs never hurts....it helps build the bodies immune system. 🆒 Now thats sarcasm.
 
Oddysey

Oddysey

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Tick Tock said:
A lot of us are focusing strictly on the negative aspects of this story, while completely overlooking the fact that this guy realized his mistake in the end, and made a humble attempt at reconciliation.

What would the world be like if everyone became agitated simply because someone cut you in line, dipped part of their body into a potential beverage, then offered some to your baby?
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I appreciate your optimistic view point. I truly do. However, this is no different than my young daughter using Crayola on the walls of her bedroom (knowing she shouldn't), and then after noticing I am watching her immediately apologizes. Sorry but an apology directly after committing a crime falls on deaf ears for me.
 
John park hopper

John park hopper

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JIMINYCR said:
If thats how he was brought up and he does those kind of things at home... then hes just being himself. So give him a break and let him enjoy his free ice water....a little bit of germs never hurts....it helps build the bodies immune system. 🆒 Now thats sarcasm.
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Sarcasm aside ---If that is how he was brought up and does those things at home I shudder to think where his hands might have been prior to dipping them in the water/ice jug. I would venture to say he probably doesn't wash his hands after using the bathroom, probably picks his nose and god knows where else his hands have been. You can put lipstick on a pig and this guy is still a pig
 
Oddysey

Oddysey

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jaklgreen said:
It is not even about the money spent, that is just how people are now. I see it daily at my job over a $2.00 muffin. People are just rotten now.
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I do think some people are just rotten, but I also think the OP has a point when stating that increased expense combined with perception of less offerings can alter guest behavior. As a near 15 year passholder even my behavior has changed some whether I like to admit it or not. For example, 10 years ago a CM would ask me to take a survey, and I would gladly take a minute to stop. Now a CM ask and I give them a simple, but possibly and not purposely curt "No" because I am thinking about obtaining the most out of my investment while being at the parks. I consciously or subconsciously think about the $ per hour it is costing me to be there, and don't want to take the time to answer questions. Right or wrong I am thinking, no I am not paying you for my opinion, pay me!

Another example I can think of is when certain areas get roped off after dark and I am traveling to the closest restroom, a CM may send me in a different direction. In years past I was very pleasant when they would direct me to another restroom. Now I am much more curt, not rude, but curt because I am not happy with roping useful areas off prior to park closing. I understand why they do it (sweeping the parks), but the constant rise in the expense required to visit the parks make me feel an unfortunate sense of entitlement that I should be able to use the closest restroom as opposed to taking the more crowded and less efficient route to another restroom. Seems silly I know.

I am not proud of this, but I have noticed that the rising costs and a perception of less offerings has changed my attitude while visiting the parks. I remain extremely courteous to fellow guest, but less courteous to CMs. I do not treat them rudely by any means, but I do not treat them the way I did 10 years ago. Again, I am not proud of this as I realize that the changes occuring are not the direct result of the CM who is in front of me. I just have lost the feeling of needing to be overly friendly the way I used too, and it is a result of Disney taking more while I feel my experience is declining.
 
Smiley/OCD

Smiley/OCD

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Oddysey said:
I do think some people are just rotten, but I also think the OP has a point when stating that increased expense combined with perception of less offerings can alter guest behavior. As a near 15 year passholder even my behavior has changed some whether I like to admit it or not. For example, 10 years ago a CM would ask me to take a survey, and I would gladly take a minute to stop. Now a CM ask and I give them a simple, but possibly and not purposely curt "No" because I am thinking about obtaining the most out of my investment while being at the parks. I consciously or subconsciously think about the $ per hour it is costing me to be there, and don't want to take the time to answer questions. Right or wrong I am thinking, no I am not paying you for my opinion, pay me!

Another example I can think of is when certain areas get roped off after dark and I am traveling to the closest restroom, a CM may send me in a different direction. In years past I was very pleasant when they would direct me to another restroom. Now I am much more curt, not rude, but curt because I am not happy with roping useful areas off prior to park closing. I understand why they do it (sweeping the parks), but the constant rise in the expense required to visit the parks make me feel an unfortunate sense of entitlement that I should be able to use the closest restroom as opposed to taking the more crowded and less efficient route to another restroom. Seems silly I know.

I am not proud of this, but I have noticed that the rising costs and a perception of less offerings has changed my attitude while visiting the parks. I remain extremely courteous to fellow guest, but less courteous to CMs. I do not treat them rudely by any means, but I do not treat them the way I did 10 years ago. Again, I am not proud of this as I realize that the changes occuring are not the direct result of the CM who is in front of me. I just have lost the feeling of needing to be overly friendly the way I used too, and it is a result of Disney taking more while I feel my experience is declining.
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So you're saying that because things at WDW aren't the same as they were say, 10-15 years ago, you feel that you have the right to be curt with CM's? Talk about entitlement...YOU are part of the problem, not the solution. Maybe one step on the evolutionary ladder higher than the idiot who stuck his arm in the water jug. If you're looking for absolution or sympathy or justification, sorry, you get NONE from me.
 
Oddysey

Oddysey

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Smiley/OCD said:
So you're saying that because things at WDW aren't the same as they were say, 10-15 years ago, you feel that you have the right to be curt with CM's? Talk about entitlement...YOU are part of the problem, not the solution. Maybe one step on the evolutionary ladder higher than the idiot who stuck his arm in the water jug. If you're looking for absolution or sympathy or justification, sorry, you get NONE from me.
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I do have the right to give a simple and short "no" answer when being asked if I want to take a survey. I am not rude with them, just one word "no" and often the "no" is followed by thank you. I am not stopping and taking the time to banter with surveyors anymore. Believe me, I have taken more than my far share of surveys in 15 years, and Disney has got there monies worth using my input. My shortness or curtness has more to do with the fact that they are charging me more and the natural consequence is that I will value each and every second more. When they were charging me less, I didn't value my time as much within the confines of the park. My short responses are correlated to cost/benefit, and I do not like Disney wasting my time when it is unnecessary. If me saying no to a survey, or providing a curt/short response when being directed to a bathroom that is farther away from the one within eyesight is offensive to you, I do not know what to say.

Also, let me be clear, I was not looking for anybodies sympathy or defending the guy who decided to stick his hand in the water jug. Deplorable behavior in my opinion. What I was doing was defending a point the OP was trying to make in that consumer behavior will change as prices rise. Charging higher prices alters the sense of the consumers value to expect more in return. This is a natural consequence of raising prices. Again, I am not condoning it or looking for someone to make me feel better about my giving short responses to CMs in the two very specific situations I laid out. I couldn't care less.

I can most definitely tell you that I have never been as rude to any CM in 15 years as you just were in your response to me. Saying that I "maybe one step on the evolutionary ladder higher than the idiot who stuck his arm in the water jug" is considerably more rude than I have treated any CM ever. You may want to evaluate your actions with how you speak to others before bearing judgment with respect to curtness or more specifically in your case rudeness.
 

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