'rude' or 'ignorant'......that is the question.

[jaklgreen]

I do have the right to give a simple and short "no" answer when being asked if I want to take a survey. I am not rude with them, just one word "no" and often the "no" is followed by thank you. I am not stopping and taking the time to banter with surveyors anymore. Believe me, I have taken more than my far share of surveys in 15 years, and Disney has got there monies worth using my input. My shortness or curtness has more to do with the fact that they are charging me more and the natural consequence is that I will value each and every second more. When they were charging me less, I didn't value my time as much within the confines of the park. My short responses are correlated to cost/benefit, and I do not like Disney wasting my time when it is unnecessary. If me saying no to a survey, or providing a curt/short response when being directed to a bathroom that is farther away from the one within eyesight is offensive to you, I do not know what to say.

Also, let me be clear, I was not looking for anybodies sympathy or defending the guy who decided to stick his hand in the water jug. Deplorable behavior in my opinion. What I was doing was defending a point the OP was trying to make in that consumer behavior will change as prices rise. Charging higher prices alters the sense of the consumers value to expect more in return. This is a natural consequence of raising prices. Again, I am not condoning it or looking for someone to make me feel better about my giving short responses to CMs in the two very specific situations I laid out. I couldn't care less.

I can most definitely tell you that I have never been as rude to any CM in 15 years as you just were in your response to me. Saying that I "maybe one step on the evolutionary ladder higher than the idiot who stuck his arm in the water jug" is considerably more rude than I have treated any CM ever. You may want to evaluate your actions with how you speak to others before bearing judgment with respect to curtness or more specifically in your case rudeness.

Now they just ask for your email and send you the survey that you can do when you get home. It is fine to decline if you want to. But there is no reason to be short or curt with them. It is sad that you do not feel that you are getting the value for your money anymore. Of course they are charging more, everyone is. Every single thing is more expensive then it was 15-20 years ago. I wish we could go back to $.89 gallon of gas and new cars for $10,000. But we are also getting paid more then we were 20 years ago. And I do not feel that it is "natural consequence" to be rude to cast members just because Disney is more expensive then it was 20 years ago. It is not like it is the cast member's decision. I see plenty of people like you that like to take it out on the little guy. If you have any kind of issue, you should politely ask for a manager or go to guest services.

 

[Oddysey]

Now they just ask for your email and send you the survey that you can do when you get home. It is fine to decline if you want to. But there is no reason to be short or curt with them. It is sad that you do not feel that you are getting the value for your money anymore. Of course they are charging more, everyone is. Every single thing is more expensive then it was 15-20 years ago. I wish we could go back to $.89 gallon of gas and new cars for $10,000. But we are also getting paid more then we were 20 years ago. And I do not feel that it is "natural consequence" to be rude to cast members just because Disney is more expensive then it was 20 years ago. It is not like it is the cast member's decision. I see plenty of people like you that like to take it out on the little guy. If you have any kind of issue, you should politely ask for a manager or go to guest services.

Your last two sentences clearer demonstrate that you do not know my character, and that is not a criticism of you because I couldn't expect you to know my character after reading a couple of post in this thread. Context is definitely limited in a forum and i understand that. My local community knows my character well, which is all that really matters as I am just a faceless/nameless Disney fan here. However, I do have a few questions/statements

1. You think a short simple response of "no" to a question asking if I want take a survey is rude?

2. I do not think complaining about taking a survey or having to take a less efficient route to a restroom is a complaint worth taking to guest services. If I am going to take the time to complain to guest services it will be for something much less frivolous. Moreover, I certainly wasn't rude to the cast members I interacted with regarding these issues. Surveyors sometimes get a "no" or "no thank you" versus me giving them the time taking the survey that I used to. These are interactions none of the CMs will remember as there was no rudeness or belligerence. Just shorter answers than I used to give knowing that it cost more per hour to be on property.

3. Yes everything is more expensive than 15 years ago, but Disney has been raising prices at a rate considerably higher than inflation. I can tell you that I paid more than .89 per gallon for gas 15 and even 20 years ago. I also paid more than $10,000 for a brand new car in 2002. Your comparisons amount to false equivalencies. Yes wages are higher also, but they have been relatively flat in the USA over the last 20 years.

4. I never said I didn't think I was no longer getting value for my money. If that were the case, I would no longer go. I said that the cost is rising and value declining. I don't want to get into the declining by degrees because that is a long conversation for another thread topic.

5. I never said being "rude" is a natural consequence of Disney being more expensive. That is literally putting words in my mouth. I basically said that Disney will see changes in guest expectations which leads to changes in behavior when they rapidly increase prices. Changes in expectations due to rising cost of admission is a natural consequence. I do not condone rudeness to CMs or anybody for that matter.

6. You do not know me or people like me. Like I said, I couldn't expect you too on a fan forum that provides very little context to my life. I know we as humans like to place people in groups because it makes the world a simpler place, but I am an individual. Not a person who enjoys pushing around the "little man." as you put it.

My post about being curt was to give credence to the OPs argument that guest behavior will change as prices continue to rise sharply. In my case, I noticed that my interactions with CMs on specific topics are shorter than they used to be. This is a pretty mild change in response, but a change nonetheless. If you apply my case to a person that is naturally more aggressive or typically rude, I would expect their behavioral changes to be less mild than my own. Not saying I condone aggressive behavior or rudeness just making an observation based on typical human behavior.

 

[UncleMike101]

Well........
Here's my take on the matter.
There are many more inconsiderate, dim witted, cretins, than there were fifty or so years ago.
Back in the day when a child misbehaved, was inconsiderate, or rude to someone else, especially a grown up, they got the back of the hand reminder to behave themselves.
Unfortunately far too many of people in my Generation, (Boomers) listened to the drivel put out by a quack named Dr. Spock and they didn't discipline their children when it was necessary.
Therefore we have a generation of dip sticks who haven't the first inkling how to be courteous or considerate to others.
Those aforementioned dip sticks are currently raising their brats, little monsters, children, to be carbon copies of themselves with all of the obnoxious qualities that they themselves possess.
Last week when My Wife and I were dining at a local buffet I watched a 6-7 year old, with no adult supervision in sight, put a spoon of banana pudding on his plate, lick the spoon, and shove it back into the pudding. I immediately latched onto an employee and told him what had occurred and he picked up the tainted pudding and took it to a garbage container.
That child is a direct product of his (lack of) upbringing.
Rotten parenting is the number one failing of our country.

There....
I feel better now........
Rant over..

 

[RustySpork]

Rotten parenting is the number one failing of our country.

...and it has been for at least 100 years.

 

[Ricky Spanish]

...without washing his hands...

That's what I implied.
I mind my own business in a public washroom, but have observed that many more men leave the facilities without washing their hands than the men who do.
BTW, I am a hand washer.

 

[disneyfireman]

This is why i support and condone vigilantism. Why cant WE the people just beat down these people. The world would be a better place. I will however ask....why were you in starbucks? The coffee sucks. Sorry had to say that.
But, in general...there is a growing list of people that id like to beat the crap out of. Most of the time its entitled people or whiners. I have no use form them...

 

[Damon7777]

why were you in starbucks?

I was not in Starbucks

 

[Damon7777]

Why cant WE the people just beat down these people.

I see your point but in this case I would have put a lot of money that the water dipper man would have easily(going off of chance and likelihood) taken me, you and a possible 3rd vigilante out if we tried to teach him a lesson on manners.........assumes, of course, none of us had weapons.

 

[RustySpork]

Keyboard warriors always make me laugh, but this clown should have been trespassed.

 

[disneyfireman]

I was not in Starbucks

apologies....saw starbucks...and assumed

 

[Paper straw fan]

Just look at what is being put on TV these days says it all.

Ok, you had me until this...care to elaborate?

 

[thomas998]

This doesn't really compare to someone cutting in line...this is a guy who thought nothing of sticking his whole hand, past his wrist into the water cooler just to get some ice out. It's just skeevey, disgusting and the epitome of WT...it's not a feeling of entitlement, that's just plain out gross, and I would have called him out right on the spot.

I didn't try to compare it to line cutting. I used line cutting as an example of how CM's do nothing when they see someone do something wrong in the park... and what this guy dipping for ice did was wrong, but when everyone in the park has been conditioned to understand that the CM's will do absolutely nothing unless you pretty much accost a character... well it sends a signal to some idiots to do things that they know they wouldn't do if they were anywhere else - because at Disney they can get away with it.

 

[I am Timmy]

You have no idea how many women I see leave the bathroom at Disney with out washing their hands. Or just quickly running them under a bit of water (insert gag sound here). Those lines for the women's bathroom get LONG, and I think these people are in too much of a hurry. It's gotten so much worse over the years, and my boys tell me it's just as bad in the men's bathroom. Also, people are disgusting in ride lines, too. I'm never on a phone in line, so I see all the nasty things people do (they behave as if they are LITERALLY in their home I think). FYI - in the FoP line (1st bay, line 3) we were behind a guy who kept digging in his nose then putting is hands all over the rail. I had to tell my kids (both adults), "Don't touch the rail!!!!" all the way to the front. Just don't touch any rail. Ever.

 

[thomas998]

You have no idea how many women I see leave the bathroom at Disney with out washing their hands. Or just quickly running them under a bit of water (insert gag sound here). Those lines for the women's bathroom get LONG, and I think these people are in too much of a hurry. It's gotten so much worse over the years, and my boys tell me it's just as bad in the men's bathroom. Also, people are disgusting in ride lines, too. I'm never on a phone in line, so I see all the nasty things people do (they behave as if they are LITERALLY in their home I think). FYI - in the FoP line (1st bay, line 3) we were behind a guy who kept digging in his nose then putting is hands all over the rail. I had to tell my kids (both adults), "Don't touch the rail!!!!" all the way to the front. Just don't touch any rail. Ever.

People not washing their hands when they use the bathroom isn't something that's only at Disney... there was always a running joke where I used to work about one of the VPs that was never observed washing his hands and this was when he would leave a sit down stall. I learned along time ago that you never want to touch anything that other people touch because the odds of the other people touching it having dirty hands aren't odds... its a fact someone that touched it before you had nasty hands.

 

[ToTBellHop]

He’s an ignorude, nasty Alien Swirling Saucers-hole.

 

[jloucks]

Place: Trolley Car Cafe, Hollywood Studios
Date: Feb 22
Principals: unknown male and me


After dressing up my Starbucks coffee with cream and sugar I waited for my turn to fill a paper cup with water from the self service glass water tank which is positioned at the same prep area.

Just when I was about to get some water a man jumped in with 3 smaller sized tumblers, cutting in front of me.
Normally I have something to say here but (1) I'm holding my 15 month baby girl with one arm and (2) he was clearly somebody who could readily wipe the floor with me if things turned terrible.

He then took off the water tank lid and dipped one of his 3 tumblers inside to get ice....while doing it I saw his wrist and hand went into the water supply (a clear glass water tank). His wrist came out dripping, too. He then filled 2 tumblers and a partial 3rd at the tap before the water supply was depleted......he left nothing.

After committing the 3 sins below,
A) Cutting in line
B) Dunked hand in water
C) Monopolized the very limited water,

he noticed that I was watching him and then he offered "oh, you have a baby....would you like some of mine(water)?"

Of course I told him that I would just wait for the staff to refill the tank.

Is he a wipe or just oblivious?
I lean towards oblivious.

I am so thankful that this happened to you and not me because I would probably still be in jail.

Every thought you have about this person is justified.

 

[jloucks]

Well........
Here's my take on the matter.
There are many more inconsiderate, dim witted, cretins, than there were fifty or so years ago.
Back in the day when a child misbehaved, was inconsiderate, or rude to someone else, especially a grown up, they got the back of the hand reminder to behave themselves.
Unfortunately far too many of people in my Generation, (Boomers) listened to the drivel put out by a quack named Dr. Spock and they didn't discipline their children when it was necessary.
Therefore we have a generation of dip sticks who haven't the first inkling how to be courteous or considerate to others.
Those aforementioned dip sticks are currently raising their brats, little monsters, children, to be carbon copies of themselves with all of the obnoxious qualities that they themselves possess.
Last week when My Wife and I were dining at a local buffet I watched a 6-7 year old, with no adult supervision in sight, put a spoon of banana pudding on his plate, lick the spoon, and shove it back into the pudding. I immediately latched onto an employee and told him what had occurred and he picked up the tainted pudding and took it to a garbage container.
That child is a direct product of his (lack of) upbringing.
Rotten parenting is the number one failing of our country.

There....
I feel better now........
Rant over..

Just yesterday I watched an unchaperoned little monster empty about a pound of frozen yogurt onto the drip tray of the machine. I arrived just when he completed his slovenly wasteful masterpiece so it was too late for me to intercede. And I would have. I would have LOVED it if the parent (wherever they were) objected to my spontaneous coaching.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

That's what I implied.
I mind my own business in a public washroom, but have observed that many more men leave the facilities without washing their hands than the men who do.
BTW, I am a hand washer.

Exactly what I was going to add to this thread.

The amount of men who don't wash their hands even remotely adequately at WDW is astounding. About 90/95%? Basically they leave with dirtier hands than they entered the toilet with. Then smear it all over the park.

There. Enjoy your next condiment bar at WDW as you think about all the stuff other guests have left all over it. One might as well lick a toilet seat.

 

[Trackmaster]

Has anybody noticed what the people are carrying when they don't wash their hands. I know at the airport sometimes I might not do it, as I'm lugging around a lot of luggage, and don't want to put it down on the dirty ground, or losing it, and just generally want to get in and out quickly. But I try to be as minimalist as possible at parks and not lug bags around.

Are the people who don't wash their hands carrying around a lot of bags and swag? Or is there just no excuse for them doing what they do (or not doing it)?

 

[jloucks]

People not washing their hands when they use the bathroom isn't something that's only at Disney... there was always a running joke where I used to where about one of the VPs that was never observed washing his hands and this was when he would leave a sit down stall. I learned along time ago that you never want to touch anything that other people touch because the odds of the other people touching it having dirty hands aren't odds... its a fact someone that touched it before you had nasty hands.

Hands are really nasty. More nasty than any body bit handled during a routine urination. I wash my hands before and after for this reason. People look at me funny, but if they knew what was already on their hands.... yuck....

Now, defecation is a whole other thing, and needs to be taken very seriously. Very disease rich medium.