Rude guests (rant sorry)

DfromATX

Well-Known Member
I don't think it's just Disney. My brother works in the restaurant business and boy have I heard some stories! I also witnessed some pretty rude behavior at Home Depot just last weekend. A guy was returning something and he had a bunch of pipes or wood (long pieces, not sure what) that were sticking out of his cart and blocking the walk way. Well, another couple had to get by and instead of the return guy scooting his basket up, he just continued talking on his phone while the couple had to duck under his stuff! It was very rude.
 

DuckTalesWooHoo1987

Well-Known Member
Probably the worst experience I've ever had with a moron guest was when I was about to watch Wishes one night and I felt this awful pain on my hell. I turned around and there was this morbidly obese woman on one of those stupid scooter chairs and she had ran in to my heel. So I just smiled and acted as though it was no big deal. Well then she looks at me and says "I was doing that so you'd get out of my way. I can't see over you". Seriously! I had been standing there for probably 5 minutes and she just pulls up behind me and runs in to me on purpose! I just sorta got this baffled look on my face and moved out of the way because it wasn't worth starting a fight over. Man I was irritated though! Disney is sort of a sacred place to me because of what it represents and the ideas it was founded on and I try to practice a certain "etiquette" I guess you'd say. I always try to hold doors for people, let people go before me at buffet meals, give up my seat for pregnant ladies, don't hold up the already long ride lines to stop and take multiple stupid selfies, and DON'T TAKE FLASH PHOTOGRAPHY ON DARK RIDES WHEN THEY CLEARRRRRRLY WILL EVEN STOP THE RIDE TO "REMIND" YOU ABOUT IT! I suppose being a CM would be something like working at an insane asylum where the inmates outnumber you. LOL!
 

DfromATX

Well-Known Member
Probably the worst experience I've ever had with a moron guest was when I was about to watch Wishes one night and I felt this awful pain on my hell. I turned around and there was this morbidly obese woman on one of those stupid scooter chairs and she had ran in to my heel. So I just smiled and acted as though it was no big deal. Well then she looks at me and says "I was doing that so you'd get out of my way. I can't see over you". Seriously! I had been standing there for probably 5 minutes and she just pulls up behind me and runs in to me on purpose! I just sorta got this baffled look on my face and moved out of the way because it wasn't worth starting a fight over. Man I was irritated though! Disney is sort of a sacred place to me because of what it represents and the ideas it was founded on and I try to practice a certain "etiquette" I guess you'd say. I always try to hold doors for people, let people go before me at buffet meals, give up my seat for pregnant ladies, don't hold up the already long ride lines to stop and take multiple stupid selfies, and DON'T TAKE FLASH PHOTOGRAPHY ON DARK RIDES WHEN THEY CLEARRRRRRLY WILL EVEN STOP THE RIDE TO "REMIND" YOU ABOUT IT! I suppose being a CM would be something like working at an insane asylum where the inmates outnumber you. LOL!

OMG... I would have had a few choice words for her!
 

UncleMike101

Well-Known Member
So glad I vented. definitely not a troll. Just fed up with people being so rude in the parks. They are rude not only to cast but too each other! It just sucks that most of these people complain and Disney just gives them free stuff. I feel like that's kinda what started this whole thing
The squeaky wheel analogy is firmly entrenched in many peoples little minds.
My theory has always been, if you have a squeaky wheel, remove it, throw it in the trash, and get a new wheel.
Sadly Disney keeps reinforcing the "Here's some grease" mentality by handing out perks to the most rude, obnoxious, self centered, and offensive people.
I always treat people with utmost courtesy until they treat me otherwise.
Then the Rules Of Engagement kick in.
 

Seabasealpha1

Well-Known Member
I ran into a few doozies as a guest during my first, last and probably only trip to Typhoon Lagoon...

That being said, I usually treat CM's as probable "Disney Nerds" like myself and I try to up the politeness and sympathy factor when I interact with them...

Having worked in fast-food, for Walmart, and Verizon wireless while I was in college, I feel I have a thorough understanding of the kinds of BS you might deal with...so, I guess I try to make good with CM's...I try to be sympathetic and quick with any dealings/requests...for that matter...there's something to be said for being self-sufficient when you travel and explore the parks...I had better be bleeding profusely and out of gauze before I lean on CM's... ;)

Best of luck! And if no one says so...thanks for what you do...
 

habuma

Well-Known Member
Sorry that you've encountered the worst of guests. It's horrible that anyone would have to put up with that. However, I do not believe it to be all that new or all that isolated to WDW.

For a number of years (perhaps as many as 20...and maybe that's just when I started noticing it), I've seen rude behavior on a near daily basis in places nowhere near WDW. More often, children are not taught to respect others and not corrected when they are rude. Adults and children alike are terribly self-centered and carry a sense of entitlement. And, to be fair, some do not intend to be rude, but have personality issues or simply do not know how to be nice...they've never seen it in action because they're always surrounded by rude people. It's incredibly frustrating to me and unfortunate for society as a whole.
 

OliveMcFly

Well-Known Member
I think many of us on in this community have been a CM at one point and we all know how stressful it can be. I'm glad you feel comfortable to let off steam around us but I do want to warn you that anyone can see this. We know social media plays a huge part in our world and so many are punished or terminated at work for things they post online. As silly as it may be it happens.
I'm not saying you did anything wrong but I'd hate to see anyone get in trouble.
Disney CMs are a special group of people. They can handle any situation and still bring magic to guests. Hang in there.
 

BrerJon

Well-Known Member
Guest behaviour changes correlate to price increases.

In the past, Disney was a little bit more expensive than average, for a lot higher standard of entertainment - both in attractions, quality of theming, and customer service.

Now, Disney is almost same price as the Four Seasons or the Ritz, and guests will compare the experience they get in WDW with other luxury destinations for the same price. In comparison, WDW quite frankly feels like you paid to fly First Class and ended up in Economy. It's no wonder guests are irritated.

In similar priced places your every whim is catered for and you truly are treated like a VIP. Guests paying those sort of prices expect that sort of exclusivity, and if crowd levels and poor attraction quality mean what once exceeded expectations now regularly falls below them, they will unfortunately take it out on the CMs - ironically the only aspect where quality has maintained, as CMs stubbornly refuse to follow the corporate line of cutting service and quality wherever possible.
 

slappy magoo

Well-Known Member
I'm sorry, but those who are trying to blame guest behavior on price increases are bending the story to fit your own personal narrative. No price increase, no matter how much or how frequent gives any guest the right to treat cast members the way they are far too often treated. If all of those variables of a visit to WDW make you that angry you feel it necessary or appropriate to verbally attack cast members doing their job, you really should start considering somewhere else to spend your vacation time and dollars.

I don't imagine any of the people trying to justify this guest behavior would want someone coming into their place of work and yelling at and berating them. It is simply not okay, under any circumstance to treat a cast member in that way; there is no justification just peoples rationalizations for their own poor behavior.

Explaining why people do things is not the same as excusing or justifying it. Understanding why a problem exists is often the first step towards solving the problem.
 

Hockey89

Well-Known Member
Explaining why people do things is not the same as excusing or justifying it. Understanding why a problem exists is often the first step towards solving the problem.
It's all over the country...It's not just Disney... People are selfish, self centered jerks, so that is the explanation for the problem. People not moving out of the left lane, blocking intersections, talking on the phone at restaurants, talking at movie theaters..... I could go on and on...It is not a Disney issue...It's a country issue of a bunch of all about me people.... Does Disney have safe spaces yet?
 

donsullivan

Premium Member
Explaining why people do things is not the same as excusing or justifying it. Understanding why a problem exists is often the first step towards solving the problem.

It absolutely is attempting to justify it. Selfish, self-entitled guests abusing cast members is NEVER acceptable under any circumstance or for any reason, it just isn't in a civilized society.
 
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The Empress Lilly

Well-Known Member
Add incredibly hot, humid temperatures from May to October to the mix of wall to wall crowds, and yes, people will not be at their best. Then you have those who don't understand that alcoholic beverages are a bad idea if you're truly thirsty - they become much more potent if you're dehydrated, in my experience. Or if you drink them like water.
Totally.

'Hot' - high temperatures certainly add to the mix. Every police force goes on high alert on those hot summer nights.
However, temperatures hotter than miss Illinois have been a constant since 1971. Whereas the premise is that guest behaviour has deteriorated. Maybe the penny pinching on airconditioning plays a part. That, and WDW nowadays being a commando style destination. Parks parks parks, every day, all day, running from one appointment to another. Who has relaxed vacations at WDW anymore?
That is one reason we can blame TWDC for, and one that is a result of TWDC, but that one an scarcely hold against them.
Also, hot and humid may be a necessary, or even compounding cause, without being a sufficientient cause.

- 'Alcohol'. Considering deteriorating guest behavoir and the family atmosphere WDW tries to achieve, a stop to in-park alcohol might be in order. Alas, WDW seems ever less reluctant to add alcohol to its poisenous brew of overcrowding, popular segments of society it nowadays aims at, hot and humid climate, and exorbitant pricing.
 

The Empress Lilly

Well-Known Member
I'm sorry, but those who are trying to blame guest behavior on price increases are bending the story to fit your own personal narrative. No price increase, no matter how much or how frequent gives any guest the right to treat cast members the way they are far too often treated. If all of those variables of a visit to WDW make you that angry you feel it necessary or appropriate to verbally attack cast members doing their job, you really should start considering somewhere else to spend your vacation time and dollars.

I don't imagine any of the people trying to justify this guest behavior would want someone coming into their place of work and yelling at and berating them. It is simply not okay, under any circumstance to treat a cast member in that way; there is no justification just peoples rationalizations for their own poor behavior.
Panchito: explicación no es justificación.
 

Raineman

Well-Known Member
I often wonder, when it comes to rude/entitled guests at WDW, whether it would be prudent for other guests to pick up the slack that CMs are not allowed to do. What I mean by this is, if you are a guest at WDW and you see another guest being rude, dirty, etc, speak up to them, politely, and let them know what they are doing is wrong. If other guests around you help you out, then the numbers are in your favor. Too often, these rude, inconsiderate people do not get called on their behavior, which needs to change. Obviously, confronting these people in a threatening way will not work, and could cause the situation to be violent, which would be bringing you down to their level. It is not part of some people's personality to speak up, but there should be enough people out there who would be willing to do it the right way.
 

Disney Stine

Active Member
I agree on this! These guests need to be called out. Their behavior can be rude to CMs and guests at the same time and it's heartbreaking. It's society's "I want it NOW" motto that has been adapted recently that I strongly believe is the answer to why some people are rude.
An example - I was at Hollywood Studios in February. We watched the Star Wars fireworks (very cool show!). During this time, parts of the park were closed down due to firework debris (Toy Story Midway Mania was one). Everyone started to mob around the roped off areas for when that section was opened. Right before, the CMs walked over and instructed the crowd that they will be walked (arm in arm) by the CMs to the ride. This was great and worked for a little, until we came closer to the ride entrance. I was physically pushed into a trashcan as I was walking by someone running to the line. Separated from my party, I found them and we entered the line together. I saw a mother behind us who rudely yelled at me that I needed to let her in front of me to get to her teenagers (the same ones who pushed me). I told the mother that I've been pushed into a trash can by her own children and that I understand the feeling of being separated but being nice, I let her go in front to her children who were now a few parties ahead of us. She never responded with a thank you or apologized for her children's actions. I only hope she realizes her party's mistakes after the chaos died down...

But the point is that everyone wants to be first in line, first on the ride. They ignore the CMs who instructed them to walk, to not push, and to be respectful of those around them, and in doing so they create chaos for the people around (including CHILDREN). It's a shame.
 

DarthDaddy

New Member
We had wonderful experiences with all CM's on our most recent trip. Had quite a few nice, brief chats with them, too. I can't honestly say that I noticed a single CM looking disgruntled, they were all professional to a tee. However, we noticed quite a lot of rude and even unsanitary behavior from fellow patrons.
 

weird

Member
Part of the rudeness of society that we are experiencing these days, are from people who believe in, "Children will be children" mentality. They think it is fine that they let their children do as they want, even if the said children are disruptive and ill mannered. When confronting parents whose children causes you and/or your party injury, they will yell at you, and say, "They're only children." When my children accidentally bumps someone, or is rude to someone, I would apologize to the person, and if possible, have my children do the same.

Manners and common sense have been lacking in the present society lately, from both adults and children.
 

Wildflower

Well-Known Member
Awww, this is just terrible. But, I think you have a chip on your shoulder and that you do not have a "customer service" mindset -- which is totally okay.

I really don't appreciate your tone toward the guests -- calling them stupid and dumb and laughing at what they say. And, then you proudly admit to deliberately not answering their questions correctly, so they can just take it out on the next CM. If you feel like you are being treated poorly or like a slave, then you should look into a different occupation.

What you speak of is not just a "Disney" thing. This is becoming more and more commonplace everywhere -- you should see the way people behave and trash airplanes, hotel rooms, parks, etc.

In your situation, Disney management has failed big time. People need to have established guidelines and rules. Everywhere. Movie theaters, sports games, theme parks, etc. And, these rules need to be enforced *evenly* at all times to everyone -- not spotty, here and there or whenever it is convenient, otherwise bad behavior takes over and becomes a culture.

If Disney enforces the rules and provides more support to CM's by granting them some autonomy in decision making, it *could* curb this outlandish behavior, that is *if* the CM's don't abuse it.

Disney should adopt the Four Seasons management style. They will kick you out in a heartbeat, if you can't act right, lol.

With that said, I can confirm absolutely every word you have written here. I noticed on our most recent vacation that Disney guests have become increasingly boorish, gross, nasty and trashy. It's so true.

Extremely nasty line cutters this time and people scuffling with each other for a spot at the parades and fireworks for dear life. Next time, we'll just fork over the cash for premium viewing.

We had to give up our seats for a poor mom with a toddler and infant on an overcrowded friendship boat while giant grown men and women just sat there ignoring her like she didn't exist for several minutes. Only *after* we gave her our bench -- a few people then offered us their seat -- which was so weird, so we just stood the whole way. I will *never* board a crowded friendship boat again.

We rode the resort bus once and again -- we gave our seats to a Mom with kids. From that point on, we only used black car service.

I couldn't wait to return to the Four Seasons every night for some semblance of normalcy and a touch of class.

Back to the line cutting, it was *so* bad.

Most notable were in The Haunted Mansion regular queue -- the wide open space before it narrows. This trifling family of five deliberately cut in front of everyone when the Liberty Boat was going by and honking its horn and everyone was waving at each other, for like two seconds.

Then on the Pirates of the Caribbean this tour group of teens kept sneaking past unaware people standing in line.

And, the worst was GM Test Track where you can tell these people *live* just to cut lines.

The most disgusting thing I saw during our vacation was the monorail. It was so filthy that no one could sit down. There were at least a half dozen damp dirty socks, empty water bottles and tissues thrown on the back part behind the seat. I felt bad for the CM's who had to clean that mess.

There were also a lot of filthy ride vehicles this time. And, I refuse to ride Buzz again until it is completely refurbed.

Then, there was this huge group of overweight people on ECV's who were literally mowing people down just to take cuts to get on the safari. So incredibly rude -- I couldn't believe what I was watching.

We like to be carefree (but, always courteous) in the parks. And, we love to have fun on coasters and thrill rides. But, there were people who rode these coasters and thrill rides and were super quiet with no emotion at all.

I noticed lots of awkward type people acting like Disney is a library or a museum or some sacred shrine. Just glaring and staring and judging everyone who was using their phone or judging people interacting with their kids or loved ones. Seriously, they all had this flat resting ***** face. And, yes "RBS" is a real medical condition with a scientific basis behind it. http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/03/health/resting-*****-face-research-irpt/

Not to mention, all of the rude people were sloppy and/or poorly dressed. I mean downright slovenly. Ugh.

Now, I do not recall any bad little kids during our trip, just rotten middle aged adults and their teenage or older children cutting lines and stuff.

All of the Disney Park CM's were exceptional. Disney Resort CM's not so much (again, this is a management and training issue). Day and night, in terms of service between the two with exception to the valets, life guards and the cooks.

Ironically, this was our best Disney vacation ever and we can't wait to go back. I don't allow things like that to consume me on vacation,as it's usually just a fleeting, passing moment of inconvenience. Also, we only spend one day in each park, no more. We will continue to adjust our expectations and prepare to make any other adjustments beforehand to minimize any potential incidents that may diminish or take away joy from our vacation.

While I agree with most of what you are saying, I'm curious about your staying at Four Seasons but speaking of *on your latest trip* mediocre resort CMs, taking the friendship boat, taking the monorail and even riding a resort bus, and finally resorting to black car service....since I know the Four Seasons offers a luxury coach bus to and from all of the parks? (and you self-admitted that you only spend one day in each park)
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Add incredibly hot, humid temperatures from May to October to the mix of wall to wall crowds, and yes, people will not be at their best. Then you have those who don't understand that alcoholic beverages are a bad idea if you're truly thirsty - they become much more potent if you're dehydrated, in my experience. Or if you drink them like water.

^^^^ THIS ^^^^ x 10,000
 

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