Rude guests (rant sorry)

[The Mighty Tim]

I've seen ads that actually promote scooter rentals because there is "a lot of walking" at WDW.

I may be in the minority here, but I actually like the walking in WDW. I've always thought there should be more walking routes around the property.

But that's just me.

Also, sorry for derailing the topic.

 

[Goofyernmost]

I may be in the minority here, but I actually like the walking in WDW. I've always thought there should be more walking routes around the property.

But that's just me.

Also, sorry for derailing the topic.

Not necessarily the minority, but, certainly someone that apparently doesn't need any help with mobility. Enjoy it while you can, because it can be taken away from you in a heart beat.

 

[Incomudro]

I'm sorry, but, there is nothing about that entire post that is factual or even sensible. It was written by someone that has obviously never experienced having a need to use one and has some outrageous opinion on mankind that is just too far out to believe. If you were to say anything it would be that for every 100 that have a legitimate need there are at least 2 that will make an attempt to scam the system. No one eats their way, intentionally, into a situation where they can justify getting a scooter. That is just nonsense. So it's sad, but, what is sad is that you really think that is the way it is. You could not be more wrong if you tried.

It's absolutely factual.
My estimate of numbers are pure conjecture, but it is a fact that people scam systems relentlessly.
Mobility Scooters are/were a fantastic means of getting the homebound out and about.
A wonderful thing!
Until, hordes of people who realized they didn't need to walk anymore saw their way out.

 

[Incomudro]

While WDW is far too loose about who'll they'll allow to use a mobility scooter (I saw multiple instances of teenagers joy-riding them around on my last trip, running into people, crashing into storefronts), there's a very big difference between able-bodied guests paying for a scooter so they can be lazy and your insane accusation that people intentionally make themselves morbidly obese so they can use a scooter rather than walk.

Just so we're clear: you're literally saying that WDW guests willingly make themselves too obese to walk so that they'll have an excuse to use a mobility scooter.

My accusation is in no way insane.
Have you LOOKED at the population of America?
Are you aware of the obesity rates?
Americans are more than willing to eat their way to disability.
Morbid obesity is intentional.

 

[Otterhead]

Americans are more than willing to eat their way to disability.
Morbid obesity is intentional.

Your argument is that people visiting WDW are intentionally making themselves morbidly obese specifically so that they will have an excuse to use the scooters there rather than walk. That they are making themselves disabled to avoid walking at WDW.

That's not only insane, it's offensive and disgusting, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[danyoung56]

I'd have to agree. Absolutely NO ONE pick morbid obesity as a life style. Many folks, I'm sure, just don't care, and would rather eat no matter what size they become. But nobody decides that they want to become a big fat person mainly so they can ride an ECV instead of walking - that's just stupid.

 

[Pixie VaVoom]

My accusation is in no way insane.
Have you LOOKED at the population of America?
Are you aware of the obesity rates?
Americans are more than willing to eat their way to disability.
Morbid obesity is intentional.

You want a broom to go with that SWEEPING GENERALIZATION ???

As someone who has battled the bulge for 2/3rds of a lifetime I can tell you - Not everyone metabolizes in the same way.
Some have put it on after surgery, some (like me) through medication side effects, some as a result of debilitating depression as a result of faulty brain chemistry. And yes there are some who are just abusers.

If someone abuses the system, KARMA seems to have a great way of kicking them in the heinie !! I have seen it time after time.
BUT ...Don't throw a stone that may boomerang back in your face. Pray that you won't ever have need of a scooter !!

 

[Goofyernmost]

It's absolutely factual.
My estimate of numbers are pure conjecture, but it is a fact that people scam systems relentlessly.
Mobility Scooters are/were and fantastic means of getting the homebound out and about.
A wonderful thing!
Until, hoards of people who realized they didn't need to walk anymore saw their way out.

Sorry... no! Some... perhaps even many, but, not the hoards you were quoting. Unless, of course, you factor in the people who foolishly let themselves grow old just to ride a scooter. Why don't old people just stay home in their rocking chair and shawl out of our way like they should? They I will admit, probably see the opportunity to do more and see more without physically exhausting themselves by helping with their mobility, even though they can still walk to some extent. But, that would not be valid and would be as much of a good reason as anything for using one. It levels the playing field, so to speak, but, to say that the majority of users do it just because they are scamming just could not be more wrong.

 

[ninjaprincesst]

It gets me how rude people are to those who have to use scooters. For example people constantly glare and make comments that my Dad is not moving fast enough for their taste, or make some other rude comment about he probably does not need it. He hates the scooter thing and people staring and making comments makes it even worse, and though he looks younger we are talking about a 69 year old man with a prosthetic leg that is already very self conscience about. And I promise he would gladly give up his getting to board buses first to have his leg back.
And the second thing is people due not watch their children. My Dad always drives his ECV annoyingly slow, but people let their kids run wild and they are always darting out in front of him, which is very scary, even at a slow pace it could hurt a small child very badly and those things don't just stop on a dime. I know there are some who abuse the ECV thing , but we could at least be courteous to those who have no choice. And as someone earlier was judging just because you might see a kid or teen on an ECV does not mean they are abusing them, for example on Dinosaur the spot where you exit is quite a distance from the spot where you park the scooter, so my daughter will go get the scooter and bring it over to her granddad (My Mom and I refuse to drive it for the safety and well being of all) so he does not have to walk that distance.

 

[Goofyernmost]

It gets me how rude people are to those who have to use scooters. For example people constantly glare and make comments that my Dad is not moving fast enough for their taste, or make some other rude comment about he probably doe not need it. He hates the scooter thing and people staring and making comments makes it even worse, and though he looks younger we are talking about a 69 year old man with a prosthetic leg that is already very self conscience about. And I promise he would gladly give up his getting to board buses first to have his leg back.
And the second thing is people due not watch their children. My Dad always drives his ECV annoyingly slow, but people let their kids run wild and they are always darting out in front of him, which is very scary, even at a slow pace it could hurt a small child very badly and those things don't just stop on a dime. I know there are some who abuse the ECV thing , but we could at least be courteous to those who have no choice. And as someone earlier was judging just because you might see a kid or teen on an ECV does not mean they are abusing them, for example on Dinosaur the spot where you exit is quite a distance from the spot where you park the scooter, so my daughter will go get the scooter and bring it over to her granddad (My Mom and I refuse to drive it for the safety and well being of all) so he does not have to walk that distance.

You might as well give up. All able bodied people are perfect, where as dependent people are damaged and therefore are not due any concern. Those able bodied because they can be anyplace they want are quite sure that those people do not belong in a place that is designed for their enjoyment only and, of course, the scooter people always run into them as opposed to the fact that they walk into the scooters.

 

[ninjaprincesst]

You want a broom to go with that SWEEPING GENERALIZATION ???

As someone who has battled the bulge for 2/3rds of a lifetime I can tell you - Not everyone metabolizes in the same way.
Some have put it on after surgery, some (like me) through medication side effects, some as a result of debilitating depression as a result of faulty brain chemistry. And yes there are some who are just abusers.

If someone abuses the system, KARMA seems to have a great way of kicking them in the heinie !! I have seen it time after time.
BUT ...Don't throw a stone that may boomerang back in your face. Pray that you won't ever have need of a scooter !!

And did you ever stop to consider that those with mobility issues might tend to gain weight because they are unable to be active anymore due to disability, and some people simply have a slow metabolism. My skinny daughter can eat the world level and never gain an ounce where as I can walk by a cookie and gain 5 pounds from the smell alone.

 

[Patcheslee]

My accusation is in no way insane.
Have you LOOKED at the population of America?
Are you aware of the obesity rates?
Americans are more than willing to eat their way to disability.
Morbid obesity is intentional.

So since I am unable to gain weight to not be a stick it must be intentional despite a 4000 calorie a day consumption? Logic works both ways, and if it were that easy I wouldn't have issues gaining.

 

[Otterhead]

And I promise he would gladly give up his getting to board buses first to have his leg back.

That's a situation that I put on Disney, not your dad. Bus boarding is consistently the time I see people openly angry at ECV users, and it's just an awkward situation for everyone. Every single trip, I've been in this scenario: standing in a massive line for 20-30 minutes in the hot sun, waiting for a bus; it arrives, everyone cheers, and an ECV rider or two inevitably zoom up. They're loaded first, everyone watches them walk off of the ECV, their family boards, and now the bus is already half-full, with a huge angry crowd waiting and watching. It's awkward for the disabled people, it's infuriating for the frustrated crowd; I wish they'd figure out a better way to handle the situation.

 

[jaklgreen]

It gets me how rude people are to those who have to use scooters. For example people constantly glare and make comments that my Dad is not moving fast enough for their taste, or make some other rude comment about he probably doe not need it. He hates the scooter thing and people staring and making comments makes it even worse, and though he looks younger we are talking about a 69 year old man with a prosthetic leg that is already very self conscience about. And I promise he would gladly give up his getting to board buses first to have his leg back.
And the second thing is people due not watch their children. My Dad always drives his ECV annoyingly slow, but people let their kids run wild and they are always darting out in front of him, which is very scary, even at a slow pace it could hurt a small child very badly and those things don't just stop on a dime. I know there are some who abuse the ECV thing , but we could at least be courteous to those who have no choice. And as someone earlier was judging just because you might see a kid or teen on an ECV does not mean they are abusing them, for example on Dinosaur the spot where you exit is quite a distance from the spot where you park the scooter, so my daughter will go get the scooter and bring it over to her granddad (My Mom and I refuse to drive it for the safety and well being of all) so he does not have to walk that distance.

There is no reason to be rude to anyone who is just trying to enjoy their vacation and being mindful of others. I applaud that your Dad goes slow on his ECV. Most people that I have seen are going like they are on the autobahn. I can say that there is a level of frustration with being behind a group of people that are going very slow and are all spread out(not saying you do this). We travel as a family of 4 and usually walk 2X2 so as to not take up most of the walkway. I think a lot of ECV frustration comes with being stuck behind one when the whole party is walking side by side and not letting others pass. Just the fact that they take up so much space and do not seem to move at walking speed creates a bit of a bottle neck at times. Although the same can be said with any group. It's just easier to blame the ECV user. I think my biggest pet peeve from other guests these last few years is that everyone is too self absorbed and are either oblivious or just don't give a crap about the others around them. They will take up the whole walkway or just stop dead in their tracks, or just start walking without looking if anyone is coming. If everyone drove the way people walk at WDW we would all be dead.

 

[Minnesota disney fan]

That's a situation that I put on Disney, not your dad. Bus boarding is consistently the time I see people openly angry at ECV users, and it's just an awkward situation for everyone. Every single trip, I've been in this scenario: standing in a massive line for 20-30 minutes in the hot sun, waiting for a bus; it arrives, everyone cheers, and an ECV rider or two inevitably zoom up. They're loaded first, everyone watches them walk off of the ECV, their family boards, and now the bus is already half-full, with a huge angry crowd waiting and watching. It's awkward for the disabled people, it's infuriating for the frustrated crowd; I wish they'd figure out a better way to handle the situation.

I agree with you that those who have to use those carts would give anything not to have to use them. My husband needed one on our last trip in Feb, following a major back surgery a few months before. He got the ok from his doctor to go to WDW. He could walk clumsily due to nerve damage, and could not walk the length that is required in WDW. He would only use an ECV in the parks, and refused a couple of days! He said he would not inconvenience the people waiting for the buses by using one all the time. I could not convince him to do otherwise, so he hobbled and swayed to the resort and back, to the park entrances and back, every day.
I wish others would have to use an EVC for even a half a day and see just how much fun it is to look at others behinds all day while missing looking at the attractions/sites, have to constantly be on the lookout for people stepping in front of and stopping in front of his cart. Not to mention the looks you get when you park and walk to the attraction. Just my ECV 2 cents worth

 

[ninjaprincesst]

I agree with you that those who have to use those carts would give anything not to have to use them. My husband needed one on our last trip in Feb, following a major back surgery a few months before. He got the ok from his doctor to go to WDW. He could walk clumsily due to nerve damage, and could not walk the length that is required in WDW. He would only use an ECV in the parks, and refused a couple of days! He said he would not inconvenience the people waiting for the buses by using one all the time. I could not convince him to do otherwise, so he hobbled and swayed to the resort and back, to the park entrances and back, every day.
I wish others would have to use an EVC for even a half a day and see just how much fun it is to look at others behinds all day while missing looking at the attractions/sites, have to constantly be on the lookout for people stepping in front of and stopping in front of his cart. Not to mention the looks you get when you park and walk to the attraction. Just my ECV 2 cents worth

Exactly or try getting on the bus when people are staring and huffing and making rude comments under their breath , not fun. And it's the same exact issue with my Dad he had major back surgery about 5 years ago then los his leg below the knee, yes , he can walk but not the distance required and he can be wobbly at times, so we not only fear him getting hurt falling, what if he fell on a child? It's not like all ECV users are fat and lazy some just don't have a choice. We have tried using just a wheel chair, but that is just too exhausting for the person that has to push it. Just have some respect and kindness for everyone, even the overweight person, we don't know their circumstances and besides your on vacation lets all just be nice.

 

[TheGenXer]

I have a simple strategy. I mind my own business. I pay as little attention as possible to rude people. I try to assume the best of best of everyone, knowing that at least some of them deserve it. I have a fantastic time in the parks.

 

[Tk0021]

June was my first trip to WDW as an adult. We took my two little girls and had a great time. We did not see any of the issues the cast memeber mentioned but I can only imagine what they go through. To me WDW is a victim of their own success. The word has been out for years how great their customer service is and people have high expectations. People are paying a high price and with the high expectations, they want everything to be perfect. I understand that. Also, I have never heard WDW say, "wait, we are not as great as everyone thinks. You need to lower your expectations." No, of course they play up that they have great customer service.

 

[ninjaprincesst]

June was my first trip to WDW as an adult. We took my two little girls and had a great time. We did not see any of the issues the cast memeber mentioned but I can only imagine what they go through. To me WDW is a victim of their own success. The word has been out for years how great their customer service is and people have high expectations. People are paying a high price and with the high expectations, they want everything to be perfect. I understand that. Also, I have never heard WDW say, "wait, we are not as great as everyone thinks. You need to lower your expectations." No, of course they play up that they have great customer service.

I don't think the issue ahs much to do with Disney and their customer service. I have been to Disney every year for the last 18 years nad have always found Disney employees to be exceptional. I think the problem is the general public, people just have the yeah for me screw you syndrome, and don't care to practice common courtesy.

 

[matt thompson]

I don't think the issue ahs much to do with Disney and their customer service. I have been to Disney every year for the last 18 years nad have always found Disney employees to be exceptional. I think the problem is the general public, people just have the yeah for me screw you syndrome, and don't care to practice common courtesy.

this is pretty accurate. Rude loud mean selfish customers are a problem in any industry, this only seems to get amplified at Disney where heat, crying children, and long lines only make people even more irritated. But i would agree with you the cast member are usually pretty nice, although my last trip I did notice more rude cast members than ever and shortly found out it was because they were working obscene shifts or very long hours. Sadly my last trip made me long for the 90's when I swear there was just something in the air and every CM was unbelievably kind.

now as for my trip to DL and CA theme park last year....dear god