Don't get me started on those who think that leggings/tights are pants and it's perfectly okay to wear your pajama pants to the store. Okay if you are in high school/college, but come on, after that, you just look silly.
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Rude Behavior And Temper Outbursts: How Much Is HEAT To Blame?
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Don't get me started on those who think that leggings/tights are pants and it's perfectly okay to wear your pajama pants to the store. Okay if you are in high school/college, but come on, after that, you just look silly.
Disneyhead'71
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People pretty much do everything wrong on vacation.
WDW is a high energy vacation anyway you slice it. If you are in need of a beach vacation (decompression) and you go to WDW. You chose poorly. If you and the family have had a great year and want to blow off some steam (celebrate mode), WDW is an awesome place to do it. Everyone is coming from a different place when arriving at Main St. U.S.A. You may have just started a new job at double the salery. Yea you! The guy beside you is there because he just left the hospice where his Mom died after an 8 year battle with overian cancer. Everyone else around you falls somewhere between.
Sorry for the harshness, but I myself have had a meltdown (shaking sobs, not screaming fit) upon arrival at the MK. 45 mins. between ICU@ORMC (My 82 year old Dad was in there) and my 13 year old Princess' birthday@#MNSSHP@#the Happiest Frickin' Place On The Planet® is not enough buffer zone for actual humans.
Just FYI.
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ItlngrlBella
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I've noticed an increase of:
this type of crowd
...vacationing at WDW over the last 10ish years.
Oh, and hey, I am not trashing the Walmart-shopping crowd. I was just at Walmart today, I find joy in Goodwill treasures and love a good garage sale - my point is, it's the way in which you behave and carry yourself.
The link above showcases the worst of the worst but I have seen similar examples at WDW.
3 simple rules:
1. Cover your naughty/fun and jiggly bits.
2. Treat others as you would like to be treated.
3. Show some respect to CM's - at least use please & thank you.
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From growing up where I live I have always witnessed the hotter and stickier it gets the thinner tempers are. People under stress can't afford much patience. That stress could be because they are too hot, too cold, too wet, too dry, too hungry, too tired, too overstimulated, too overworked, etc. Stress is because you're already too busy using your resources to meet basic survival needs to expend excess energy on others.
One thing I've learned to do for my own personal safety is avoid large crowds. The larger the crowd the more likely someone will get pushy and careless. The diffusion of responsibility kicks in and next thing you know you have mob mentality turning everyone into idiots.
I was so appalled last week when I went to claim my Wishes FP+ and found Disney managers had decided to try and pack 500 people into a tiny gated area. That is just unsafe for everyone, especially those most prone to injury and harm.
There is another factor not addressed in this thread. Not to get all xenophobic here but I am noticing a lot more foreign-speaking visitors in the parks these days. I'm not sure if not speaking English as a native language leads to guests not understanding crowd instructions from CMs or if it is a cultural thing learned in other countries, but I tend to find people who are speaking foreign tongues tend to be more aggressive and disruptive.
You factor in the self-involved crowd, the short tempered/tired crowd, and the foreign didn't understand crowd and you can quickly end up with a problem.
I disagree that Disney is a high adrenaline trip. It can be and certainly if you are into the whole uber-planning, highly-scheduled park marathons it is. But these are first and foremost parks with lots of landscapes, scenery and stories in the theming. If you visit as much as a DVCer or a local, then your days are far less stressful. (You're probably also more likely to hate the FP+ system too.)
One thing I've learned to do for my own personal safety is avoid large crowds. The larger the crowd the more likely someone will get pushy and careless. The diffusion of responsibility kicks in and next thing you know you have mob mentality turning everyone into idiots.
I was so appalled last week when I went to claim my Wishes FP+ and found Disney managers had decided to try and pack 500 people into a tiny gated area. That is just unsafe for everyone, especially those most prone to injury and harm.
There is another factor not addressed in this thread. Not to get all xenophobic here but I am noticing a lot more foreign-speaking visitors in the parks these days. I'm not sure if not speaking English as a native language leads to guests not understanding crowd instructions from CMs or if it is a cultural thing learned in other countries, but I tend to find people who are speaking foreign tongues tend to be more aggressive and disruptive.
You factor in the self-involved crowd, the short tempered/tired crowd, and the foreign didn't understand crowd and you can quickly end up with a problem.
I disagree that Disney is a high adrenaline trip. It can be and certainly if you are into the whole uber-planning, highly-scheduled park marathons it is. But these are first and foremost parks with lots of landscapes, scenery and stories in the theming. If you visit as much as a DVCer or a local, then your days are far less stressful. (You're probably also more likely to hate the FP+ system too.)
It's not so much that high temps. are such a drastic change to the average WDW guest, but rather how the heat impacts tempers as a whole. Take for instance where I work & live.
I work in the lodging industry at a very popular mountain town. Our busiest time of the year is autumn when the leaves change. People LOVE to come to the mountains during that season to see the colors. We stay packed from early October thru early November. And when I say packed, I mean PACKED. It is not unusual for there to be long waits on Saturdays in October just to get a parking spot for hiking trails. A normal 30-minute drive on the parkway any other time of the year might take you upwards of 4 hours to go the same distance in the autumn. (Not exaggerating here.) The weather is beautiful. The colors are beautiful. People come out in hordes to get a taste of autumn in the mountains.
So you would think that naturally, there would be more problems in the autumn due to extreme population. More crowds & intense traffic = more road rage & frustration, right? Not even. Autumn crowds are (for the most part) very easy to deal with (if you allow extra hours to get into work on time. If not...that in itself can be frustrating). But the majority of people really are wonderful and pretty laid back despite sometimes having to wait 15-minutes just to get a parking spot at a Taco Bell.
Now let's talk about summer. Summer is more of a beach time of year instead of a time that greatly benefits us. While we do get decent crowd levels to keep us somewhat busy...it really isn't a season when a vast majority of the population craves the mountains like they do during the autumn / leaf color months.
But it's amazing how the problems spike during summer. Anything & everything from completely trashed resort rooms, a man beating his girlfriend out by the pool, road rage, pedestrian rage, guests blowing up at employees because their favorite restaurant down the street closed at 10pm instead of 11pm (completely serious on every bit of this) more road rage, and usually a weekly or bi-weekly visit by the police at even some of the most upscale facilities.
So how is it that autumn can be so overwhelmingly packed with traffic and crowds, while summer pales in comparison (at least for my part of the country), yet summer more times than not is when most anger & aggression-related problems arise?
Then after reading up on heat rage and how it impacts the human temperament...the puzzle pieces all came together. Just an overall observation after working in tourism for the past decade.
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Even more true for sub-tropical Florida. That summer sun is relentless, brutal and will fry your brain in 30 minutes. Well, not really fry your brain, but you feel like it. In the summer, I'm dripping with sweat just walking the 30 feet to my mail box. And unless you live here, you don't really understand how 95+ degrees with 95% humidity and no cloud cover affects the human body. And Central Florida, unlike the coasts, doesn't get the breezes off the ocean to help keep things cool. Visiting once a year doesn't prepare you. We say, not sure if it's true, that living in Florida thins out your blood. Which is why we freeze when it's 60 degrees. If it weren't for Mr. Carrier, the only things living in Florida would be alligators and mosquitos. I remember my mother sitting in the car in the drive way once with the a/c going full blast, putting on her makeup. And our house was air conditioned.
PhotoDave219
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PhotoDave219
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Do you work at a place that begins with an "S" and rhymes with "hoeshoe"? Because if so, we need to talk about your clientel....
I don't feel "heat rage" exists. I think its just an excuse for unacceptable behavior. I think people become (Unpleasant) faster in the heat but its no excuse for people to deny personal responsibility for their actions.
Sure don't.
This from the Dept of Health & Human Services:
"Heat Exhaustion is a vague clinical syndrome characterized by headache, nausea, vomiting, lethargy, irritability, thirst, and anorexia. Exposure to high temperatures, excessive sweating, and inadequate replacement of salt and water are the chief causes. Two types of heat exhaustion can be seen. Most patients experience a combination of both types. Water depletion heat exhaustion results from exposure to high temperature and insufficient fluid intake with onset of symptoms occurring over a few hours. Salt depletion heat exhaustion usually develops over several days; usually in people that replace the fluid loses adequately, but fail to replace salt loses.
Diagnostic Findings- thirst, headache, nausea and vomiting, irritability are common. The temperature may be normal or elevated usually < 40 degrees. Tachycardia and tachypnea are present. Complications of heat exhaustion include impending heatstroke and shock.
Management - Remove the patient from the hot environment. Mild dehydration can be managed with oral replacement of fluids i.e. 1 tsp of NaCl mixed with 500 ml of water or a stock electrolyte solution given over 1 - 2 hours. Severe dehydration should be treated with a bolus of 20 ml/kg of NS given over an hour followed by a rehydration protocol. "
"Heat Exhaustion is a vague clinical syndrome characterized by headache, nausea, vomiting, lethargy, irritability, thirst, and anorexia. Exposure to high temperatures, excessive sweating, and inadequate replacement of salt and water are the chief causes. Two types of heat exhaustion can be seen. Most patients experience a combination of both types. Water depletion heat exhaustion results from exposure to high temperature and insufficient fluid intake with onset of symptoms occurring over a few hours. Salt depletion heat exhaustion usually develops over several days; usually in people that replace the fluid loses adequately, but fail to replace salt loses.
Diagnostic Findings- thirst, headache, nausea and vomiting, irritability are common. The temperature may be normal or elevated usually < 40 degrees. Tachycardia and tachypnea are present. Complications of heat exhaustion include impending heatstroke and shock.
Management - Remove the patient from the hot environment. Mild dehydration can be managed with oral replacement of fluids i.e. 1 tsp of NaCl mixed with 500 ml of water or a stock electrolyte solution given over 1 - 2 hours. Severe dehydration should be treated with a bolus of 20 ml/kg of NS given over an hour followed by a rehydration protocol. "
ItlngrlBella
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I thought back were an urban myth. She just proved otherwise......
PhotoDave219
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Yes but that's still no excuse for their behavior. Sure they get irritable, but that's no excuse to behave in a most um-Disney like fashion.
I get that people get cranky in the heat but it doesn't excuse it.
PhotoDave219
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That woman needs self respect.
However, I believe Mom was giving us info on a serious physical situation. My daughter passed out at after school summer camp due to heat exhaustion. Which resulted in a panicked phone call to me from the principal, a mad rush to the school for me and an ambulance trip to the emergency room for my daughter.
I agree, Dave, if you are hot, that's no excuse to be rude. But if you are slipping into heat exhaustion or worse, heat stroke and because of the metabolic changes happening get a little cranky, I might give you a pass.
Of course - unless you are in labor, or other extreme pain due to injury or illness, there is no excuse for bad behavior.
But heat exhaustion, dehydration, etc can cause people to respond inappropriately.
Of course - unless you are in labor, or other extreme pain due to injury or illness, there is no excuse for bad behavior.
But heat exhaustion, dehydration, etc can cause people to respond inappropriately.
A pregnant woman's nightmare - going into labor in the standby line at Peter Pan's Flight right after 3:00 PM on a hot, crowded holiday weekend. Is there an access to the utilidors over in Fantasyland? Can you imagine EMTs trying to push a gurney with a pregnant woman in active labor through stroller hell, I mean alley?! With the FoF parade going on? Quell nightmare!
betty rose
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Of course - unless you are in labor, or other extreme pain due to injury or illness, there is no excuse for bad behavior.
But heat exhaustion, dehydration, etc can cause people to respond inappropriately.
betty rose
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Funny.
PhotoDave219
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Of course - unless you are in labor, or other extreme pain due to injury or illness, there is no excuse for bad behavior.
But heat exhaustion, dehydration, etc can cause people to respond inappropriately.
You can get glasses of ice water. There are water fountains everywhere. Or you can buy your own. Whether people realize it or not, you need one nice tall glass of ice water per hour in the middle of that Florida heat.
(For those that drink around the world, the trick is to drink as much water as you just drank alcohol)
So yes, the heat may contribute to people being unpleasant but thats on them as well. Adults know well enough to drink water when theyre thirsty. Kids? Not so much.
@LAKid53 - I would hope that they now take more water breaks. Ive seen that be a common thing in youth/high school sports when the temperature/humidity is above a certain point. Glad your kid is okay, hope they made some changes.