Rope Lights Outlining Roofs on Deluxe Resorts Diminishing?

[bethymouse]

Really? The GF is dark???? Oh dear!

 

[wdisney9000]

Might I recommend learning how to read past the part that "offends" you. I didn't say anything of the sort. I put it out there as a possibility as to why they are shut off now. I believe that @marni1971 implied that they were coming back. So, again if you guys were to stop ineffectively attacking me, we can move on, but, I doubt that you will.

Im sure youll consider this an "attack" (the favorite defense mechanism of apologists), but Ill post it regardless.

Disney modeled the GF after the Del Coronado. The lights on GF were maintained for over 2 decades with no problem. Within the last 5 -10 years the company has neglected them. Whatever the reason may be, it doesnt matter, its bad form. The Del Coronado somehow manages to keep their resort lights running just fine so thats proof that Disney could do it as well. You chose to sight a myriad of reason as to why TWDC may be neglecting the lights. Even if any of the reasons you gave are true, its still bad form. If you personally do not like the lights, that is your opinion and you have every right to it, but again, it in no ways excuses the company for allowing their flagship resort to look shoddy.

If DIsney had released ANY information stating that the lights were hazardous then that would explain it, but they havent. Its also obvious that there was no hazard because they have let them run for the last 5-10 years as random bulbs burn out. They would have just shut them off if there was EVER a glimmer of doubt as to the lights causing safety problems. So if we can eliminate safety issues as a possible cause, that really only leaves us with the option that they are simply being cheap. Whether the cheapness stems from waiting for technology to make something better, or just simply taking their time choosing the proper system for an upgrade, it is still cheap and disrespectful to the guests they are charging extremely high prices.

As far as your argument about its theme not being accurate in a sense of "turn of the century" because it has modern day technology, well, here is an exact quote from Disneys website: " Victorian elegance meets modern sophistication at this lavish bayside Resort hotel" and here is another: "this timeless Victorian-style marvel evokes Palm Beach’s golden era." As @lazyboy97o mentioned, part of that era was the grand display of electricity and lighting.

 

[lazyboy97o]

And everyone of those have sat, stagnant, on top of the roof of a building for 20 plus years. Exposed to sunlight temperatures in the lower 100's if not higher, winds, rain, etc. Come on you guys can do better then that, especially since I didn't say that was a the problem, I said it is possible. I stick to what I said. All those other things are free standing and no one is sleeping under them in a wooden frame building. All they will do on those other things is short out. So keep trying!

Oh, yea and thanks for taking the high road and not attempting to insult me. Oh, Wait! I guess you did in a more back handed passive aggressive way. Fortunately, for me, my self worth is not based on your opinion of me.

The Grand Floridian is not wood frame construction. It also complies with the building code, something that is obsessed with fire prevention. Any fire risks that do exist aren't mitigated by burnt out bulbs, and the lack of care only increases potential risks. It's nobody's fault but your own that you tossed out such nonsense as an explanation.

 

[sxeensweet]

I'll think positive ...

A company that made a record $7.5 billion in net income in 2014 positively can afford to replace light bulbs.

Yep your right! Lol

 

[Goofyernmost]

Im sure youll consider this an "attack" (the favorite defense mechanism of apologists), but Ill post it regardless.

Ah, yes, the standard reply when one doesn't have an answer. Let's call them an apologist (whatever that is) and everyone will go away.

Disney modeled the GF after the Del Coronado. The lights on GF were maintained for over 2 decades with no problem. Within the last 5 -10 years the company has neglected them. Whatever the reason may be, it doesnt matter, its bad form. The Del Coronado somehow manages to keep their resort lights running just fine so thats proof that Disney could do it as well. You chose to sight a myriad of reason as to why TWDC may be neglecting the lights. Even if any of the reasons you gave are true, its still bad form. If you personally do not like the lights, that is your opinion and you have every right to it, but again, it in no ways excuses the company for allowing their flagship resort to look shoddy.

I never said it wasn't. I will repeat for those that either have english as a second language or just do not try to understand. I PERSONALLY DO NOT LIKE THEM. I am glad that they are gone, even if for just a little while. I am not making excuses for why they are no longer on, I merely expressed that I didn't like them (repeated for accuracy).

If DIsney had released ANY information stating that the lights were hazardous then that would explain it, but they havent. Its also obvious that there was no hazard because they have let them run for the last 5-10 years as random bulbs burn out. They would have just shut them off if there was EVER a glimmer of doubt as to the lights causing safety problems. So if we can eliminate safety issues as a possible cause, that really only leaves us with the option that they are simply being cheap. Whether the cheapness stems from waiting for technology to make something better, or just simply taking their time choosing the proper system for an upgrade, it is still cheap and disrespectful to the guests they are charging extremely high prices.

That is funny. You actually think that Disney would broadcast to the world the the light string might be a hazard when all they have to do is shut off the power and solve the problem? Who's sniffing Pixie Dust now?

As far as your argument about its theme not being accurate in a sense of "turn of the century" because it has modern day technology, well, here is an exact quote from Disneys website: " Victorian elegance meets modern sophistication at this lavish bayside Resort hotel" and here is another: "this timeless Victorian-style marvel evokes Palm Beach’s golden era." As @lazyboy97o mentioned, part of that era was the grand display of electricity and lighting.

So all it takes for folks to fall into the, this is 1901, frame of mind is some lights on the top of a roof? You must feel that people are generally stupid. I know and always have known why they were there. But, just in case everyone missed it. I DON'T PERSONALLY LIKE THEM. I don't care why they are there or anyone's fantasy that makes them feel like they are experiencing something from way back, simply because of them. In the beginning of the electrical age (for lack of a better word) it advertised that this hotel had electricity and was not afraid to use it. Fine, if that is the message that is so almighty important then I will make a few phone calls, like I must have to get them shut off, and it will bask once again in the great Victorian glory.

The Grand Floridian is not wood frame construction. It also complies with the building code, something that is obsessed with fire prevention. Any fire risks that do exist aren't mitigated by burnt out bulbs, and the lack of care only increases potential risks. It's nobody's fault but your own that you tossed out such nonsense as an explanation.

No kidding... burnt out light bulbs don't cause fires. Who said they did? However, it might be important to remember that all to light bulbs are connected to two decade plus old WIRING, that has been becoming more and more brittle by the day. Couple that with the much touted lack of maintenance and just like Disney Magic, you might have a reason for the current blackout.

 

[Bocabear]

So...again in other words, deferred maintenance and just plain being cheap.

 

[wdisney9000]

Ah, yes, the standard reply when one doesn't have an answer. Let's call them an apologist (whatever that is) and everyone will go away.

I never said it wasn't. I will repeat for those that either have english as a second language or just do not try to understand. I PERSONALLY DO NOT LIKE THEM. I am glad that they are gone, even if for just a little while. I am not making excuses for why they are no longer on, I merely expressed that I didn't like them (repeated for accuracy).

That is funny. You actually think that Disney would broadcast to the world the the light string might be a hazard when all they have to do is shut off the power and solve the problem? Who's sniffing Pixie Dust now?

So all it takes for folks to fall into the, this is 1901, frame of mind is some lights on the top of a roof? You must feel that people are generally stupid. I know and always have known why they were there. But, just in case everyone missed it. I DON'T PERSONALLY LIKE THEM. I don't care why they are there or anyone's fantasy that makes them feel like they are experiencing something from way back, simply because of them. In the beginning of the electrical age (for lack of a better word) it advertised that this hotel had electricity and was not afraid to use it. Fine, if that is the message that is so almighty important then I will make a few phone calls, like I must have to get them shut off, and it will bask once again in the great Victorian glory.


No kidding... burnt out light bulbs don't cause fires. Who said they did? However, it might be important to remember that all to light bulbs are connected to two decade plus old WIRING, that has been becoming more and more brittle by the day. Couple that with the much touted lack of maintenance and just like Disney Magic, you might have a reason for the current blackout.

Well done on not actually responding to my points in any way other than mocking them. I've never seen goal posts shifted more or straws grasped at so desperately.

You act as if I am saying the lights are the sole ingredient in creating a victorian theme. They are a detail that is part of a larger concept which embodies the overall theme. I expect such behavior from my 7 year old nephew, not a grown man making excuses for Disney.

 

[Bocabear]

And furthermore the fact that you don't personally care for them has nothing to do with the fact that they are not keeping up with general maintenance...So if you don't like them or don't care, why even discuss it?
"Paint is peeling on the train station"
"I dont like trains"
What exactly does that add to the conversation?? lol

 

[wdisney9000]

Yep your right! Lol

So you agree that the company is being cheap with their flagship resort? While I understand that the lights out doesn't bother you, would you at least say that it's bad business or at the least, it's completely disrespectful to charge the amount they do while being neglectful?

 

[wdisney9000]

And furthermore the fact that you don't personally care for them has nothing to do with the fact that they are not keeping up with general maintenance...So if you don't like them or don't care, why even discuss it?
"Paint is peeling on the train station"
"I dont like trains"
What exactly does that add to the conversation?? lol

It adds nothing aside from his own personal satisfaction to be apologetic for the company because he has some deep seeded issue with people holding the company responsible to make better decisions with the $7.5 billion dollars they profited at year.

 

[sxeensweet]

So you agree that the company is being cheap with their flagship resort? While I understand that the lights out doesn't bother you, would you at least say that it's bad business or at the least, it's completely disrespectful to charge the amount they do while being neglectful?

No still don't feel that exactly like your saying At all. Just agreed that they do have the money and have never gave the idea they did not have the money. Just said they might have been waiting till they were all out. I do not feel it's bad business or disrespectful to charge the prices they do to stay there just because the lights are not maintained and the rest of the beautiful grounds and resort are pristine. I would still stay and pay the prices there or any resort even if some lights are out. The only thing that would make me not stay there again/think it's bad business etc is if they let everything outside start getting out of hand needing painting , overgrown grass and landscaping, just overall looked messy and unkept, dirty pools and grounds, Still me personally will never feel that it's disrespectful or that it's bad business to let the lights go long periods without being changed etc outside and on top of the resort.

 

[Bocabear]

It is disrespectful...and it shows deferred maintenance...The lights might not affect you, but when no one complains or notices, maybe they will start mowing the grass a little less...let the building go longer periods without being painted... Do they need to service the pool every day? If they did it every three days they would save some money....Will people stop staying there because there are a few leaves in the pool? probably not...
It's all declining by degrees...and remember, this is supposed to be a world class hotel... their flagship hotel....the best of the best....
as Frank LLoyd Wright said "God is in the details"...
You are paying to stay at a meticulously maintained hotel with amazing service and amenities...
Every lightbulb should be working.
Everything maintained to the standards you are paying for....
But I am sure TDO likes hearing that you don't mind if they provide a little less....

 

[sxeensweet]

It is disrespectful...and it shows deferred maintenance...The lights might not affect you, but when no one complains or notices, maybe they will start mowing the grass a little less...let the building go longer periods without being painted... Do they need to service the pool every day? If they did it every three days they would save some money....Will people stop staying there because there are a few leaves in the pool? probably not...
It's all declining by degrees...and remember, this is supposed to be a world class hotel... their flagship hotel....the best of the best....
as Frank LLoyd Wright said "God is in the details"...
You are paying to stay at a meticulously maintained hotel with amazing service and amenities...
Every lightbulb should be working.
Everything maintained to the standards you are paying for....
But I am sure TDO likes hearing that you don't mind if they provide a little less....

Never said no one should complain just that I will not be one of them. Any individual has every right to complain for anything they feel the need to. I just don't have to agree or feel the same way. I have stayed at many 4/5 star hotels including The Grand Floridian in the USA and all of them have some issue they are not keeping up perfectly, and if I would let all that bother me I would never find a decent hotel to stay at. Lol
I do complain if it is something that personally affects and bothers me and have to several hotels over the years in our travels. I just don't complain for every single detail because if that was he case I would be constantly complaining. Lol
Everyone has there own opinion. Yes "God is in the details.." I have heard and know that sentiment, But I will still not complain about the lights and that is PURELY MY OPINION. I also do respect your view and anyone's view that is different from mine because we are all individuals with our own thoughts and opinions.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Ah, yes, the standard reply when one doesn't have an answer. Let's call them an apologist (whatever that is) and everyone will go away.

I never said it wasn't. I will repeat for those that either have english as a second language or just do not try to understand. I PERSONALLY DO NOT LIKE THEM. I am glad that they are gone, even if for just a little while. I am not making excuses for why they are no longer on, I merely expressed that I didn't like them (repeated for accuracy).

That is funny. You actually think that Disney would broadcast to the world the the light string might be a hazard when all they have to do is shut off the power and solve the problem? Who's sniffing Pixie Dust now?

So all it takes for folks to fall into the, this is 1901, frame of mind is some lights on the top of a roof? You must feel that people are generally stupid. I know and always have known why they were there. But, just in case everyone missed it. I DON'T PERSONALLY LIKE THEM. I don't care why they are there or anyone's fantasy that makes them feel like they are experiencing something from way back, simply because of them. In the beginning of the electrical age (for lack of a better word) it advertised that this hotel had electricity and was not afraid to use it. Fine, if that is the message that is so almighty important then I will make a few phone calls, like I must have to get them shut off, and it will bask once again in the great Victorian glory.


No kidding... burnt out light bulbs don't cause fires. Who said they did? However, it might be important to remember that all to light bulbs are connected to two decade plus old WIRING, that has been becoming more and more brittle by the day. Couple that with the much touted lack of maintenance and just like Disney Magic, you might have a reason for the current blackout.

You have repeatedly claimed that the lights are not part of the theme.

The lights were not deliberately shut off. There is not a switch for each individual bulb.

Wiring just left to rot, which makes you happy, is far more a fire hazard than properly designed lighting. And depending. A broken, exposed bulb does present additional hazard that could be mitigated by the regulate maintainable you wish not to occur.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Well done on not actually responding to my points in any way other than mocking them. I've never seen goal posts shifted more or straws grasped at so desperately.

You act as if I am saying the lights are the sole ingredient in creating a victorian theme. They are a detail that is part of a larger concept which embodies the overall theme. I expect such behavior from my 7 year old nephew, not a grown man making excuses for Disney.

Read the words, I haven't made one single excuse for Disney. I have pointed out some possibilities that most people with out this severe hatred of Disney management would recognize as such. Again, interpreting the words are far more important to you (guys*) then understanding them. I also see that it is apparently OK for you to mock my words and grasp at straws, but, I'm not allowed. Besides that, the responses that I made to your post were not mocking them. They were contradicting them with another viewpoint. Big difference there. I might have implied that the sole ingredient in creating the theme was the lights because that is exactly what I was reading from your* end.

Everything else can be modern, but, damn we need those lights. Without them it isn't an authentic experience.
OK, I see what this all is. So, to end this foolishness I am officially out of THIS conversation. I have made my points, I have said why I said what I said. There is no where else to go other then mutual put downs, so take it where you want.

I have attempted to clarify what I meant and why and all I have gotten is silly little no sense replies punctuated with direct or veiled insults. On this topic, I see that this is your* sandbox and I have become bored with it. So, I think I will move on. It's been fun though.

* "Guys" was a blanket identification of everyone that felt the need to try and make me change my position, not just you. Just for fun go back and read my posts on this subject. Perhaps, if you read all the words and the context of those words you will see that most everything I am accused of saying, I never said or even implied.

* "Your" has the same blanket ID as the above paragraph.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Read the words, I haven't made one single excuse for Disney. I have pointed out some possibilities that most people with out this severe hatred of Disney management would recognize as such. Again, interpreting the words are far more important to you (guys*) then understanding them. I also see that it is apparently OK for you to mock my words and grasp at straws, but, I'm not allowed. Besides that, the responses that I made to your post were not mocking them. They were contradicting them with another viewpoint. Big difference there. I might have implied that the sole ingredient in creating the theme was the lights because that is exactly what I was reading from your* end.

Everything else can be modern, but, damn we need those lights. Without them it isn't an authentic experience.
OK, I see what this all is. So, to end this foolishness I am officially out of THIS conversation. I have made my points, I have said why I said what I said. There is no where else to go other then mutual put downs, so take it where you want.

I have attempted to clarify what I meant and why and all I have gotten is silly little no sense replies punctuated with direct or veiled insults. On this topic, I see that this is your* sandbox and I have become bored with it. So, I think I will move on. It's been fun though.

* "Guys" was a blanket identification of everyone that felt the need to try and make me change my position, not just you. Just for fun go back and read my posts on this subject. Perhaps, if you read all the words and the context of those words you will see that most everything I am accused of saying, I never said or even implied.

* "Your" has the same blanket ID as the above paragraph.

Sudden fire hazards that don't appear anywhere else in the world is nowhere close to a plausible explanation.

 

[Goofyernmost]

You have repeatedly claimed that the lights are not part of the theme.

The lights were not deliberately shut off. There is not a switch for each individual bulb.

Wiring just left to rot, which makes you happy, is far more a fire hazard than properly designed lighting. And depending. A broken, exposed bulb does present additional hazard that could be mitigated by the regulate maintainable you wish not to occur.

You do indeed have a weird way of putting non-sense meanings on things said that you don't agree with. If the lights, for example, were not deliberately shut off, how was it possible that all of them decided to burn out at the same time. Of course, they were deliberately shut off. What none of us know for sure is why. I offered what I thought might be the reason, you are bent on saying it's because they don't change the bulbs. Either way, they shut them off and I am moving on. Even though it should be really obvious to everyone reading this stuff, I am happy that the lights are off, not necessarily why they are off. Get it together man.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Sudden fire hazards that don't appear anywhere else in the world is nowhere close to a plausible explanation.

Honestly, stop you are embarrassing yourself. For one thing 20+ years of exposure is not a sudden fire hazard. I don't even know if that is what happened, I just felt that it was possible and if you would open your mind just a little you would also be able to see that it is possible. I know for a fact that you don't have a better reason, so believe what you want. I'd explain it, but, you would twist it to whatever you want to believe anyway.

 

[lazyboy97o]

You do indeed have a weird way of putting non-sense meanings on things said that you don't agree with. If the lights, for example, were not deliberately shut off, how was it possible that all of them decided to burn out at the same time. Of course, they were deliberately shut off. What none of us know for sure is why. I offered what I thought might be the reason, you are bent on saying it's because they don't change the bulbs. Either way, they shut them off and I am moving on. Even though it should be really obvious to everyone reading this stuff, I am happy that the lights are off, not necessarily why they are off. Get it together man.

Honestly, stop you are embarrassing yourself. For one thing 20+ years of exposure is not a sudden fire hazard. I don't even know if that is what happened, I just felt that it was possible and if you would open your mind just a little you would also be able to see that it is possible. I know for a fact that you don't have a better reason, so believe what you want. I'd explain it, but, you would twist it to whatever you want to believe anyway.

You are ht one who came up with the fire hazard idea. All of its stupidness is on you. The circuitry that controls LEDs also gets really hot, so if a fire hazard was anything close to a possibility then the new building would not be covered in LEDs.

Burning out over half a decade is not "sudden." The explanation is right there in the photos that span YEARS showing more and more lights out.

 

[Scuttle]

All the lights were on and looked good last November 2014 so it can't have been happening that long! Lol

That's what's interesting, they did look pretty good late last year. I guess they are already out

It's not several bulbs, it's entire strands missing and only a few working. As I mentioned, the Grand Floridian is practically dark. If I was staying at one of those deluxe resorts, I would be mad. Can you imagine paying 400 a night for a hotel that cannot keep up with the basics of making the resort look good at night?

Makes you wonder how clean the rooms actually are when they can't even replace the bulbs twice a year at their "flagship". Sadly it's not what it once was. Love birds are gone, lights don't work and last I checked the Mary Poppins topiary was gone.