Robert Iger to be named Eisners replacement to CEO position today...

[imagineer boy]

Ok, I didn't even want to read this thread, but some of Speck's posts intrigued me so here I am. I'm sorry, but please do not curse like that. If I heard my brother or sister curse like that, being that they're your age, they'd be seriously hurt.

Sorry, but of all the posts, this seriously offended me

Continue with the thread and forgive me for poking my ignorant head in here :wave:

I'm very sorry that I offended you, but I'm just so upset about Iger becoming the next CEO. I had to take my anger out some way. But once again, I'm sorry.

 

[imagineer boy]

Do you know why all these studios (including Pixar) are popular, it's because the kids (and most adults) think it is Disney. I've heard way too many times, "Yeah, that Disney movie, uh, Shrek 2 was great" It is the Disney name that is helping these studios.

Brother Bear, Treasure Planet, and Home on the Range were all done by Disney, and they were flops and weren't popular at all. The main thing that make a popular movie are not the company brand, not the method of animation like many of the short sighted execs have figured, but its an exciting story, likable characters, and catchy songs. Remember, its not how you maket the painting, but what's in the painting that counts.

 

[dizpins14]

who ever says Eisner is out for good is living in their own imaginary world. Eisner has said he will not ask the board for a position on the board; however he has said if he was offered one he would consider it. Since Eisner pushed Iger down the board's throat, why wouldn't Iger push for Eisner to be named to the board. After reading Disney War, SaveDisney.com and these boards, Eisner will not just retire. He wants to stay involved in Disney expecially since he has been receiving so much negative press, Eisner will most likely not be able to get a job as prestigious as his current position.

who ever says Iger needs to be given a chance needs to wake up...he was given a chance as president and he did not do a stellar job. While im not going to base all my opinions on the book DisneyWar but from first hand accounts of the book, Eisner states several times he did not believe Iger was the best person for the job. I am not a fan of Eisner at all, however one thing Eisner has been able to do is judge talent, i.e. pixar, miramax, katzenberg. Eisner just managed to drive all the talent away and eventually only able to hire people like Paul Pressler.

This vote just shows Eisners control of the board and continual control once Iger is appointed...why else would Eisner drop out a year early and the decision to announce a new CEO pushed up three months.

Anyone who is a Disney fan should stand up against this decision

 

[Pluto Parking]

Disney stock up after the news about Iger. Looks like Wall Street is giving him a chance.

 

[Shaman]

Disney stock up after the news about Iger. Looks like Wall Street is giving him a chance.

Doesn't say much though, after all the stock went through the roof when Comcast made its bid...

And we know how good that would have been for the company...

:brick:

 

[longfamily]

who ever says Eisner is out for good is living in their own imaginary world.

Once Igar is in place, he will be gone. Disney is not this man's life, he may have a large ego but I highly doubt he'll want to expend any more energy on a lame duck career.

Since Eisner pushed Iger down the board's throat, why wouldn't Iger push for Eisner to be named to the board. After reading Disney War, SaveDisney.com and these boards, Eisner will not just retire. He wants to stay involved in Disney expecially since he has been receiving so much negative press

Eisner will retire and he will go away. You are under the impression that Eisner will be working in the shadows making things happen. Once he retires he is no longer on the payroll. He has created a lifestyle for himself at this point that will allow him to retire. Should he be concerned with the happenings at Disney? Maybe. It would be difficult to walk away from something that you worked very hard at for so long. This period of readjustment will not last long. We will see Eisner doing something else before long. It is difficult to be a workaholic and then just retire. I suspect that he will be knee deep in something new shortly, consultation perhaps?

Eisner will most likely not be able to get a job as prestigious as his current position.

You think so? Eisner, despite your obvious dislike for the man, has had an incredibly successful run. He may have butted heads with people and he may have made some decisions that not everyone agrees with, but he has taken an enormous corporation and expanded it to include networks, magazines, blockbusters, new technology, new parts of the world,ect. These things cannot be discounted. Any corporation would consider itself fortunate to have him at the helm. Mistakes aside, Eisner has a talent for making numbers rise. At the end of the day that is what is most important. He may have made some enemies over the years but everything that he has done, was done to improve Disney at the end of the day. Business people understand this. I assure you that he has been contacted with offers with as much or more prestigious ($$$$$) than his current position.

 

[ClemsonTigger]

In addition to the interesting points speck has provided, although he didn't mean to, dizpins also provided what I would consider a positive point for Iger:

While im not going to base all my opinions on the book DisneyWar but from first hand accounts of the book, Eisner states several times he did not believe Iger was the best person for the job.

If that means having a different opinion on how to do things, then it's an endorsement in my book!

 

[CTXRover]

^^I've seen quite a few articles in the press today that have also reported that Iger and Eisner are complete opposites. If true, and if all the claims from Eisner critics are true that he micromanages everything to death, meaning Iger had little chance to show us what he's really capable of, Iger may work. Iger is reportedly more of a team player and less of a micromanager according to some articles I've read. That can be good. Some have said Iger was wrong in questioning the prospects of Lost and thus part of ABC's comeback. Personally, I'm with him. I absolutely love the show, but I too wonder how in the world they can keep this going for many seasons to come. If he didn't question it, I'd be worried. Fortunately for ABC, he trusted the new ABC President, Steve Mcpherson, to keep Lost on the schedule and promote the heck out of it, turning it into the hit it is today. Seems like so many here are under the perception (or illusion) that Iger was chosen just so Eisner can sit in the background and still control the company through some puppet-regime. I just don't know if I buy that claim at all. If Eisner becomes any part of the board, that's another issue, but everything points away from that at this point. It is true that Disney is Eisner's life. With all his mis-steps over the past years, I think it would be hard to say he doesn't "love" the Disney company on some level. He's lived and breathed Disney for 20+ years, so naturally I do think its going to be tough for him to let go. But I think he knows the time is up and has publically acknowledged he is leaving the company in all forms. When that time comes will be the true test of Iger's abilites.

Afterall, if Eisner has been so wrong in the past, what's to say he wasn't just as wrong when he said that often quoted line from Disneywar that Iger wasn't the right choice? Personally, I'm not going to base my decisions on what's best for the company off of things written on savedisney or a literary piece of work obviously embellished on the negative to sell more copies at the bookstore to make more $$.

Remember, a lot of the media moguls of today that would have had the knowledge base to lead such a large entertainment company as Disney are even greater money-pinchers and even more profit-oriented than the Eisner/Iger team. I'm not too crazy over the decision to promote Iger given what I know right now either, but I realize it COULD be worse. The grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence.

 

[cloudboy]

They are not as complete opposites as a few journalists are looking for to make their story. Iger himself has done a lot to distance people from him. If you look at some of the press releases Disney (and Eisner in particular) has put out and what really happened, was really said, and what really was done, you would see there is a lot of untruths floating around.

Even with Iger becoming CEO, Eisner is still on the board. Has anyone thought how badly this affected the ability to find a replacement? With Eisner's reputation no one would probably even CONSIDER the position until he was gone.

Yes, I think there is going to be another battle for Disney in the future. Maybe not the next six months, but within 2 years the entire company will be undergoung upheaval.

 

[askmike1]

After reading Disney War, SaveDisney.com and these boards.

First of all, you cannot go by SaveDisney. They are a biased and unfair source of information. It's like looking for fair and balanced presidential news in an Anti-Bush newspaper. Disneywar is also biased. To get the most unbiasad source, I'd go to different newspaper [websites] and news programs (such as ABCNews or Fox News).

Even with Iger becoming CEO, Eisner is still on the board.

He is only staying on the board until the 2006 shareholder meeting. A little trust goes a long way.

He may have butted heads with people and he may have made some decisions that not everyone agrees with, but he has taken an enormous corporation and expanded it to include networks, magazines, blockbusters, new technology, new parts of the world,ect. These things cannot be discounted.

Exactly. He is like a modern day Julius Caesar (although I'm hoping no one stabs Eisner...Et Tu Roy )

Eisner just managed to drive all the talent away and eventually only able to hire people like Paul Pressler.

What about Jay Rasulo...or Matt Ouimatt...or Anne Sweeny...or Al Weiss...or Greg Emmer...or the many calaborations with Walden Media?

Anyone who is a Disney fan should stand up against this decision

That's like saying all patriotic Americans should vote for Kerry. Opinions people...Opinions.

exciting story, likable characters, and catchy songs

Thats all a matter of personal opinion. You know I really loved that song in the Incredibles though...what was it called...oh yeah, there weren't any songs. I thought the Incredibles' story wasn't that great either.

Whitman withdrew because Disney was "dragging their feet"

Disney publically said they would take until June. She was an impatient exec who just wanted a job at a bigger company. Unlike Iger and Eisner, she has no loyalty to the company at all. If she did, she wouldn't have dropped out.

Someone once said that any of the Pixar movies could have been hand-drawn and been successful (this was after "Monsters, Inc."), because the story was so good.

You know, as much as story matters, method of animation now is more important. I know for a fact that if Finding Nemo or Incredibles were traditionally drawn, they would have bombed or have done medocre at best. Pixar doesn't do hand drawn because they are too afraid of getting a failure (which I think Cars will be).

they really don't pay any attention to their shareholders...

Disneyland is getting an extreme face lift, it's tomorrowland is almost back to 100% rides, attractions are being built everywhere, ABC is coming back, a sucessor has been named, Disney stock is up...I think Disney is doing a good job at listening to shareholders.

my thinking is Iger will let Disney be taken over by a comcast-like company

Iger will not let Disney be taken over. Also, you should be thankful Eisner is at the helm. If someone like Meg or even Roy for this matter was CEO, the Company would be called Comcast-Disney right now. You'd be visiting Comcastland, ABC would change to CBC (Comcast Broadcasting Channel). YOu should be so happy Eisner is unwilling to be taken over.

They are 6 for 6. No Studio in History has ever done that! Ever!

They are a baby studio, what do you expect? Disney started off the same way (with much less animators, money, and materials may I add)

How many people know who the distributer was for Snow White today? ...Disney is becoming just a big bank that specializes in investing in entertainment product.

I think pretty much everyone knows that Disney made Snow White. Let's see, Disney is making at least 5 [theatrical] animated movies (CL, American Dog, Wilbur Robinson, Repunzel, TS3), many live action movies (PotC2/3, Narnia), in addition to quality Direct to DVDs.

He has been the President of the Company for 5 years and has taken no interest in the parks.

That's not his job. That's why Disney hires great people such as Emmer, Weiss, Rasulo, and Oiumatt to take care of the parks.

He was the President of the Company during the closure of the Studios in Florida and Paris and massive layoffs in Burbank.

Roy and Stan were at the company during the time of this and the animated flops, but I don't see you complaining about him not caring. Despite what he says, he did nothing to help these films become hits. That was his sector.

That's all for now...have I broken the record for most quotes in a post?

-Michael

 

[McArcDes]

I have a few issues I would like to address.

#1

The post quoted below criticizes Imagineerboy for using what most people would consider a mild profanity. I understand this can be offensive to some but when DDuckFan130 posts to complain he/she uses it to justify violence. ie the "seriously hurt" part of the post. Imagineerboy was just letting his feelings be known that he is extremely upset at the decision by the WDC board to go with Iger. DDuckFan130, two wrongs dont make a right as my mother used to say.

Ok, I didn't even want to read this thread, but some of Speck's posts intrigued me so here I am. I'm sorry, but please do not curse like that. If I heard my brother or sister curse like that, being that they're your age, they'd be seriously hurt.

Sorry, but of all the posts, this seriously offended me

Continue with the thread and forgive me for poking my ignorant head in here :wave:

#2

The Pixar issue. Despite what has been said here, Pixar does not need Disney and vice versa Disney does not need Pixar. As far as Pixar goes, if we remember our Disney history before Mickey Walt animated a rabbit called Oswald the lucky Rabbit. Walt produced these animated shorts and had a distributed through a company in New York. The man he delt with there by the name of Charles Mintz eventually, after Disney Studios created, developed and made Oswald an established popular animated character, stole not only Oswald but most of Walt's animators. After that Walt vowed never to let that happen again. Is this not what the WDC is doing to Pixar? Pixar can sever the ties to the WDC and come out of it just as strong if not stronger than when they were with Disney. So now Eisner and Iger are doing what Charles Mintz did to Walt to Pixar. Oh and by the way, when was the last time you saw an Oswald short, or been to Oswalds house at Mintzeland? Maybe I should book my next vacation at Pixar World....

#3

Ummmmm now I am having a senior moment....I cant remember #3....I will have to review the posts and see if that will jog my memory....now if I can only find out were I left my computer.........

 

[Lynx04]

Disney needs Pixar more than Pixar needs Disney

I disagree, Disney does not need Pixar. Disney needs to invest in their own 3D animation department, instead of outsourcing it to Pixar. I would not like to see Disney renegotiate with Pixar, I think Steve Jobs is worse then Eisner. I would pick Eisner over Jobs any day.

 

[Shaman]

Iger will not let Disney be taken over. Also, you should be thankful Eisner is at the helm. If someone like Meg or even Roy for this matter was CEO, the Company would be called Comcast-Disney right now. You'd be visiting Comcastland, ABC would change to CBC (Comcast Broadcasting Channel). YOu should be so happy Eisner is unwilling to be taken over.
-Michael

The only thing I'm thankful for is that the price wasn't right....:wave:

 

[McArcDes]

For one, you point out that he does not involve himeself in the creative areas of WDI.QUOTE]

I remember my third point!

#3

I did not think there were any creative areas left at WDI. I thought they had been replaced by butt kissers and bean counters! All the creative people "at" WDI are former imagineers that have laid off and then brought back as consultants employed by outside firms!!

As for Iger, I am not happy that a "company" man has been chosen to replace Eisner. It seems that all we can do now is, as many have said, give him the rope and see what he does with it. Can he use it to tie up the loose ends and bind the company into what it needs to be or hang him self. All we can do is wait and see. What I think we can count on is that if he can not keep the stock price up he will be gone tute suite contract or not.

Now that I have made my third point all I have to do is find my computer! Have any of you seen it? It is a little black box with a tv and typewiter attached....

 

[askmike1]

As for Iger, I am not happy that a "company" man has been chosen to replace Eisner.

Me, I'd rather a company man rather than a creative person be CEO. I'd rather the creative people stay exactly where they are (whether thats managing Animation or Theme Parks or whatever it be). Power can do bad things to people. Example) Lets say you work for a company. One of your coworkers are cheerful all the time, nice, and is really creative. Now lets say that person gets promoted to manager. There is a good chance that either power will go to his/her head or they won't be as nice or cheerful.

-Michael

 

[Tim G]

For one, you point out that he does not involve himeself in the creative areas of WDI.QUOTE]

I remember my third point!

#3

I did not think there were any creative areas left at WDI. I thought they had been replaced by butt kissers and bean counters! All the creative people "at" WDI are former imagineers that have laid off and then brought back as consultants employed by outside firms!!

As for Iger, I am not happy that a "company" man has been chosen to replace Eisner. It seems that all we can do now is, as many have said, give him the rope and see what he does with it. Can he use it to tie up the loose ends and bind the company into what it needs to be or hang him self. All we can do is wait and see. What I think we can count on is that if he can not keep the stock price up he will be gone tute suite contract or not.

Now that I have made my third point all I have to do is find my computer! Have any of you seen it? It is a little black box with a tv and typewiter attached....

There ARE WDI Creative people, and Creative Dept. are ALL imagineers... And certainly NOT Buttkissers... If you leave the Imagineers be, they develop great things...

Greetz!

 

[Lynx04]

One important thing to point out. If someone has not creative touch and doesn't understand creativity then he may dismiss many of the best projects as being to expensive, and not make a leaps of faiths and invest in projects like EE. If he is to money minded he may only see the bottom line. But then again if an imagineer got control of the money spicket, he would probably bankrupt the company. You need to find a middle ground. Hopefully Iger pulls it off.

 

[speck76]

There ARE WDI Creative people, and Creative Dept. are ALL imagineers... And certainly NOT Buttkissers... If you leave the Imagineers be, they develop great things...

Greetz!

I agree....which is why I think it is great hat Iger does not get involved with the creative parts of the company.

One thing from an article that I posted, and it seemed to be overlooked, was that Iger wants to decentralize decision making in the company. THIS IS A GOOD THING! This means that the ABC division will make the ABC decisions (not Iger), the parks division will make the park decisions (not Iger), the studios will make the studio decisions (not Iger).

What could DL be like it Matt O. was the chief decision maker, and did not have to beg the CEO for something to be done at the park.

THIS IS A GOOD THING!

 

[Woody13]

I heard today that Iger is attempting to hire David Hasselhoff to rewrite all the songs for Country Bear Jamboree to make it more contemporary.

 

[speck76]

I heard today that Iger is attempting to hire David Hasselhoff to rewrite all the songs for Country Bear Jamboree to make it more contemporary.

I heard it was Vanilla Ice.....who is your source?