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Riviera Pricing and Point charts

Phonedave

Well-Known Member
I'm thinking that there's some research indicating a lot of DVC owners/potential DVC owners who are in a relationship but either
a: don't have kids (yet) or
b: occasionally take trips to WDW without their kids

...were asked about their travel preferences and a good chunk of them said when they travel, room size isn't as important as location, not as much time as spent in the room versus in the parks or elsewhere in the hotel. How many people have we seen defend their preference of value resorts because "it's a place for me to shower and sleep while I hit the parks from dawn to dusk?" So as inconvenient as a small room might be to some of us, I'm sure there's a market. Whether it's the same market that would stay at a value I don't know, especially if kids are in the future. But hey, there's no law that says one parent can't bunk with one kid in a studio while another parent bunks with a kid in another.

Again, one data point does not prove anything, but ......

This is me to a T

We have 3 kids, when we go on a family vacation we get either a 1 or 2 BR unit. We like the space and so do the kids. We also use the room a lot. We eat breakfast in the unit, we come back in the afternoon to swim, etc.

However

My wife and I also go to Food and Wine for a long weekend - alone. When we do we get a studio. About the only thing we make in the unit is coffee. We are there for F&W. We book seminars, we do tastings and lunch, and we are out most of the day.

I am booked at SSR in a studio for F&W this year. Of course I am going to waitlist EPCOT area resorts at 7 months (yeah, I know, good luck). But a small studio at RR would fit the bill nicely. Especially with presumably easy transport to F&W.
 

Club Cooloholic

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Also to Helena Bear and whoever else I might have offended, I was not trying to do that. Yes everybody is entitled to their own opinion, I just couldn't help but state my opinion on GF. My beef is with Disney--that if they think that Riviera and the style and theme is "flagship level" then as I said in my earlier post somebody in charge doesn't know what they're talking about. There's nothing in Riviera that looks so grand or fancy. I've seen a good deal of photos of the lobby and rooms and the lobby looks no different to me than what you can find at Beach Club or Contemporary/BLT but also in the new, redone lobbies that will be at Coronado and Caribbbean Beach. The GF still takes the cake in what I call "grand" or total opulence, even though it is an old style that's looks more aged as the decades go by. I was just finding fault in that Disney dares to compare this to GF when in my opinion, it doesn't come close. Yes the bathrooms look fancy with that marble tile on the floor but GF's villas have a very nice bathroom as well, and of course that neat little mirror TV, which just adds to it. Didn't see anything like that at Riviera. Then the bathroom is the only thing that looks fancy. The rest of the room doesn't even compare the majority of the rooms at GF, Poly, or even the redone rooms at BC. As I said in my earlier post, it's like they tried to go with a similar style that GF has but something fell short. The design doesn't even say anything about Europe. I've seen quite a few travel shows of European hotels and there are so many styles, depending on if you're staying at an old place or some new modern hotel that could be anywhere in the U.S., that there is no "European look" to go by when doing hotel rooms. Buildings maybe, but not the rooms itself. All in all, this place just does not have the fanciness that GF or other deluxe hotels have, in my opinion, and I'm just questioning why they are having a high number of points to stay in a room that just doesn't match the overall quality. But I was not trying to call out anybody specifically and I don't want to come across that way. I'm just stating my opinion like everybody else.
Let's just hope this is not like DDP, where everything is dumbed down after awhile. Let us hope the concept of luxury is not changed
 

helenabear

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Again, one data point does not prove anything, but ......

This is me to a T

We have 3 kids, when we go on a family vacation we get either a 1 or 2 BR unit. We like the space and so do the kids. We also use the room a lot. We eat breakfast in the unit, we come back in the afternoon to swim, etc.

However

My wife and I also go to Food and Wine for a long weekend - alone. When we do we get a studio. About the only thing we make in the unit is coffee. We are there for F&W. We book seminars, we do tastings and lunch, and we are out most of the day.

I am booked at SSR in a studio for F&W this year. Of course I am going to waitlist EPCOT area resorts at 7 months (yeah, I know, good luck). But a small studio at RR would fit the bill nicely. Especially with presumably easy transport to F&W.
Good luck to you

They cannot do this for the “legacy 14 resorts”. They can’t re-write the POS for existing resorts, timeshare laws prevent this being an option.

They can restrict resale buyers at those from using their points at new resorts, and vice versa, in the POS for those new resorts. Which they have done. And I’m sure they will do the same for every future resort.
From what I understand they could but it wouldn't be easy. I cannot find the wording at this time but essentially they'd have to prove certain things to make changes. I'll try to find it later, I'm just lacking sleep (my new kitten is as bad as having a 6 month old lol)
Also to Helena Bear and whoever else I might have offended, I was not trying to do that. Yes everybody is entitled to their own opinion, I just couldn't help but state my opinion on GF. My beef is with Disney--that if they think that Riviera and the style and theme is "flagship level" then as I said in my earlier post somebody in charge doesn't know what they're talking about. There's nothing in Riviera that looks so grand or fancy. I've seen a good deal of photos of the lobby and rooms and the lobby looks no different to me than what you can find at Beach Club or Contemporary/BLT but also in the new, redone lobbies that will be at Coronado and Caribbbean Beach. The GF still takes the cake in what I call "grand" or total opulence, even though it is an old style that's looks more aged as the decades go by. I was just finding fault in that Disney dares to compare this to GF when in my opinion, it doesn't come close. Yes the bathrooms look fancy with that marble tile on the floor but GF's villas have a very nice bathroom as well, and of course that neat little mirror TV, which just adds to it. Didn't see anything like that at Riviera. Then the bathroom is the only thing that looks fancy. The rest of the room doesn't even compare the majority of the rooms at GF, Poly, or even the redone rooms at BC. As I said in my earlier post, it's like they tried to go with a similar style that GF has but something fell short. The design doesn't even say anything about Europe. I've seen quite a few travel shows of European hotels and there are so many styles, depending on if you're staying at an old place or some new modern hotel that could be anywhere in the U.S., that there is no "European look" to go by when doing hotel rooms. Buildings maybe, but not the rooms itself. All in all, this place just does not have the fanciness that GF or other deluxe hotels have, in my opinion, and I'm just questioning why they are having a high number of points to stay in a room that just doesn't match the overall quality. But I was not trying to call out anybody specifically and I don't want to come across that way. I'm just stating my opinion like everybody else.
Don't worry too much about it here. Text can be hard to read right in terms of tone and such. But let's be honest, many considered Polynesian and/or Contemporary to be the flagship resorts long before GF was even thought of. What is flagship material changes with Disney. It's all quite personal. I do see more refined touches, but another may not see it the same way.

We can agree to disagree on looks. I see quality European (based on my time there) but others don't. I'm more than cool with that.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
The main concern for me is the restrictions that are popping up for resales. I feel that this new rule with the Riviera resales could one day be applied to the other resorts. Now I know we, the DVC members, can fight that but still I feel Disney is trying to push it in that direction and will at least try--to see if they get away with it, like they thought they were going to be able to do with the points allocation that got turned back around to the original plan--after everybody complained and some threatened to sue. I feel like this is going to hurt resales of Riviera--why would people want to buy a resale of that when they find out they can't use the points at the other resorts? Then this turns into the people who bought Riviera and have to sell for whatever reason...it doesn't look good for them. At this point nobody would want to buy resale on Riviera so then what's the point? In other words, I do want to add on points in the future but you think I'm gonna want to buy Riviera, knowing that fact? Because what if I have to sell in the future? And I just feel like it's heading this way with any other new resort--there seems to be a feeling that any newer properties are going to be done the same way Riviera is and the same rule will apply--and I just can't help but feel like they're testing this to see if they can get away with doing this with ALL resales in the next few years--like somebody wants to buy a resale contract at Poly and they find out they can only use their points at Poly, Riviera and what "new" resorts there are, but not at the original DVC resorts. I can't help but feel like they're testing this out and they plan to roll out a new rule on resales, thinking they can get away with it. Which then, in turn, affects people trying to sell their contracts when needing to. It's as if, Disney is wanting to keep people from putting their contracts up for sale, by putting all these new restrictions on a resale contract that makes it not as attractive to buy as it used to be. They're definitely making sure you buy direct...
As @nickys said they can’t legally restrict trading in for resale at the legacy resorts. I agree with your sentiment that if they could they probably would consider it. They took away almost every potential benefit from resale buyers that wasn’t protected over the years. At least they have been fair about it and “Grand fathered” in existing resale owners when they made the various restrictions.

I also agree that Disney wants people to buy direct and is obviously concerned that the resale market is canibalizing their potential direct sales. I have no intention of adding on additional points any time soon but this restriction would make me hesitate until we see how the resale market for Riviera develops. If the resale prices end up something really bad like 50% of direct that would deter me completely from buying. If it’s more like direct buy at $200 and resale ends up $170 that’s not so bad if I had to dump the points later because of a financial problem or change in taste.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Good luck to you


From what I understand they could but it wouldn't be easy. I cannot find the wording at this time but essentially they'd have to prove certain things to make changes. I'll try to find it later, I'm just lacking sleep (my new kitten is as bad as having a 6 month old lol)

Don't worry too much about it here. Text can be hard to read right in terms of tone and such. But let's be honest, many considered Polynesian and/or Contemporary to be the flagship resorts long before GF was even thought of. What is flagship material changes with Disney. It's all quite personal. I do see more refined touches, but another may not see it the same way.

We can agree to disagree on looks. I see quality European (based on my time there) but others don't. I'm more than cool with that.
I still see CR as the flagship since it’s the first resort I stayed at as a kid in the 80s. Not very scientific but my opinion will not be changed ;). Probably why I have BLT points too. CR and Poly were #1 and #1a back then. GF didn’t come along yet. Based solely on price GF should be the flagship resort since ts the most expensive. Not sure that logic always works though either since I’ve stayed at some pricey resorts that had some issues.

I think it’s hard to tell from pictures how high quality this resort will be. You really have to feel the vibe in person and in some cases feel the materials. Some things look impressive in pictures but then when you see them in person they look or feel like cheap knockoffs. I think based on the pictures it looks like they are going for a higher end vibe.
 

helenabear

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
I still see CR as the flagship since it’s the first resort I stayed at as a kid in the 80s. Not very scientific but my opinion will not be changed ;). Probably why I have BLT points too. CR and Poly were #1 and #1a back then. GF didn’t come along yet. Based solely on price GF should be the flagship resort since ts the most expensive. Not sure that logic always works though either since I’ve stayed at some pricey resorts that had some issues.

I think it’s hard to tell from pictures how high quality this resort will be. You really have to feel the vibe in person and in some cases feel the materials. Some things look impressive in pictures but then when you see them in person they look or feel like cheap knockoffs. I think based on the pictures it looks like they are going for a higher end vibe.
Truly flagship is rather vague too. Largest, finest, most important.

In terms of costs, Polynesian and GF (villas and rooms) are pretty close when looking at like for like. I never understood why CR and BLT were lower. As someone who grew up with a Disney that wasn't as evolved I view these flagship ideas differently. Of course I hate frilly things so my view is clouded.

True on cheap though. I guess after PVB & CCV I'm more convinced it will be even more refined in person than not.
 

helenabear

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
I agree and it looks like the review @MisterPenguin posted says the same thing. The room design seems to be going for more elegant than theme park. Looks more like the four seasons than most recent Disney hotels.
I must look for that review. I have seen quite a few other saying the same though. I really do hope we can stay there or next trip. It might be about our only shot of staying there and would be convenient for my friend to months to go to Hollywood studios for star Wars.
 

TongaToast21

Active Member
I must look for that review. I have seen quite a few other saying the same though. I really do hope we can stay there or next trip. It might be about our only shot of staying there and would be convenient for my friend to months to go to Hollywood studios for star Wars.
you can see it at disneytouristblog.com or if you scroll a little up to Mr. Penguins post
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Duh... half the time when I see the new links on the new set-up, I think they are ads. I keep forgetting that they are not ads and that I should click on them.
Has some good pictures of the insides of the sample rooms. We still only have limited views of the lobby and common areas but the rooms have some nice details.
 

xdan0920

Think for yourselfer
I think we probably just need to recalibrate our expectations. This isn’t a themed resort. It’s just a pretty nice high rise resort. It’s exactly like what you’d expect from a Marriot or a Hyatt. Which is fine. It’s just not a themed hotel. 🤷‍♂️

I wouldn’t ever add points here, and with that laughable points chart it’s unlikely I’ll ever stay here, unless I really have some points burning a hole in my pocket.
 

helenabear

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Matter of taste I think. I totally see the theme. Reminds me of when we lived and traveled Europe. Will try to stay once but not thrilled with the charts. I'd rather do 2 connecting at PVB than a 1 bedroom there in terms if points spending. Not likely to get standard views regularly.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I think we probably just need to recalibrate our expectations. This isn’t a themed resort. It’s just a pretty nice high rise resort. It’s exactly like what you’d expect from a Marriot or a Hyatt. Which is fine. It’s just not a themed hotel. 🤷‍♂️

I wouldn’t ever add points here, and with that laughable points chart it’s unlikely I’ll ever stay here, unless I really have some points burning a hole in my pocket.
I don’t think anyone needs to recalibrate any expectations. If you don’t like it don’t stay there. Other people will probably like it and want to stay there. Sometimes I think we overthink these things here. There doesn’t need to be one consensus opinion. There were people who loved this place from the first art released and others who hated it. Those opionions won’t and don’t have to change.

From my personal prospective I’m less turned off by the theme than the sky high maintenance fees and pricey point chart. I am very unlikely to buy points here. Never say never, but I would only buy resale at this point and don’t like the resale trade in restriction at all. I would be likely to trade into Riviera for a stay especially with the Skyway and all the action coming to DHS and EPCOT. If I’m not staying there but staying at BC or BW I will definitely take the gondola over and maybe grab a meal there too.
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
I think we probably just need to recalibrate our expectations. This isn’t a themed resort. It’s just a pretty nice high rise resort. It’s exactly like what you’d expect from a Marriot or a Hyatt. Which is fine. It’s just not a themed hotel. 🤷‍♂️

I wouldn’t ever add points here, and with that laughable points chart it’s unlikely I’ll ever stay here, unless I really have some points burning a hole in my pocket.
That's what I don't get. It's fine. But who would pay MORE to stay here than any of the Boardwalk resorts?
 

nickys

Premium Member
I don’t think anyone needs to recalibrate any expectations. If you don’t like it don’t stay there. Other people will probably like it and want to stay there. Sometimes I think we overthink these things here. There doesn’t need to be one consensus opinion. There were people who loved this place from the first art released and others who hated it. Those opionions won’t and don’t have to change.

From my personal prospective I’m less turned off by the theme than the sky high maintenance fees and pricey point chart. I am very unlikely to buy points here. Never say never, but I would only buy resale at this point and don’t like the resale trade in restriction at all. I would be likely to trade into Riviera for a stay especially with the Skyway and all the action coming to DHS and EPCOT. If I’m not staying there but staying at BC or BW I will definitely take the gondola over and maybe grab a meal there too.
Agreed! Not that we’ll be adding on, although if I could I think I might do. But definitely planning to stay there, and will definitely go and try the rooftop dining.
 

xdan0920

Think for yourselfer
I don’t think anyone needs to recalibrate any expectations. If you don’t like it don’t stay there. Other people will probably like it and want to stay there. Sometimes I think we overthink these things here. There doesn’t need to be one consensus opinion. There were people who loved this place from the first art released and others who hated it. Those opionions won’t and don’t have to change.

From my personal prospective I’m less turned off by the theme than the sky high maintenance fees and pricey point chart. I am very unlikely to buy points here. Never say never, but I would only buy resale at this point and don’t like the resale trade in restriction at all. I would be likely to trade into Riviera for a stay especially with the Skyway and all the action coming to DHS and EPCOT. If I’m not staying there but staying at BC or BW I will definitely take the gondola over and maybe grab a meal there too.
Didn’t say people wouldn’t like it. In fact, I like it. For what it is.

I just mean, we cant expect WDI themed resorts at this point(Star Wars clearly a diff animal). They don’t seem interested in that type of thing anymore.

This isn’t a classic themed resort ala Wilderness Lodge or Animal Kingdom Lodge or Old Key West. This is really just a classic mid level high rise hotel from any vacation spot.

That’s all.
 
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