Rich Manhattan moms hire handicapped tour guides so kids can cut lines at Disney World

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CDavid

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Have you ever done the parks in a wheelchair? Because if you had you would know that most people who are forced to tour that way would gladly give up these "perks" to be able to enjoy the parks like everyone else. And for every one of these "perks" there are plenty of drawbacks.

Quoted mostly because its the gospel truth and bears repeating. I suspect most people here who have never dealt with a wheelchair also never noticed the queue of wheelchairs, ECV's, and persons with mobility impairments at the exit to Spaceship Earth. The attraction probably had a five-minute wait (if that) for the regular "standby" line; We probably waited 20 minutes or more.

I don't understand why a family cannot wait in line and leave one family member with the disabled guest to return at a later time using a pager system. The pager could be alerted from where fast passes are handed in - giving time to return to the attraction, but discouraging people to travel too far.

There may be the occasional time when that would be appropriate, but the problem is it means forcing the group to split up (on what is often a family vacation, etc.). People are stating - and rightfully so - that families who have a member of their group with disabilities should be treated as much as possible like everyone else. They should wait (together) in the same line with everyone else and/or for a similar length of time. In principle I agree, though there will necessarily be some exceptions to the rule for practical reasons. For instance, there is the oft-cited example of trying to load a wheelchair onto a packed bus, when it is so much easier (and faster) to do so before the passengers have boarded.
 

Goofyernmost

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Brings a new meaning to the 'hire me' signs you get on the rented ECVs!!!!

I don't understand why a family cannot wait in line and leave one family member with the disabled guest to return at a later time using a pager system. The pager could be alerted from where fast passes are handed in - giving time to return to the attraction, but discouraging people to travel too far.

As for the busses... Don't get me started - it's a real head scratcher. And so frustrating!!! I do not have a problem with wheelchairs at all... But rented ECVs get my back up.... Big time!
I hope that the ECV's don't bother you all the time, because they are just interchangeable for a wheelchair for many disabled persons. If they have some mobility, a wheelchair means that someone always has to push it from place to place. ECV allow traveling companions the ability to enjoy the experience with the disabled person. To flatly decide that all ECV users are playing the system would be what I like to call...wrong!
 

RandomPrincess

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I hope that the ECV's don't bother you all the time, because they are just interchangeable for a wheelchair for many disabled persons. If they have some mobility, a wheelchair means that someone always has to push it from place to place. ECV allow traveling companions the ability to enjoy the experience with the disabled person. To flatly decide that all ECV users are playing the system would be what I like to call...wrong!
I agree people come from all over the world to WDW. Are they supposed to cart their ECV with them too?
 

Nmoody1

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I hope that the ECV's don't bother you all the time, because they are just interchangeable for a wheelchair for many disabled persons. If they have some mobility, a wheelchair means that someone always has to push it from place to place. ECV allow traveling companions the ability to enjoy the experience with the disabled person. To flatly decide that all ECV users are playing the system would be what I like to call...wrong!

They don't. I understand that for legitimate users they can be handy and make the parks more enjoyable - if you are registered disabled (mobility wise) then fine, but there is no denying that a fair few WDW guests rent them when they dont really need them.

Having visited the parks with a disabled friend, she actually commented that Disney positively discriminates against the less abled by allowing guests to skip lines. I'm actually quite surprised that the parks haven't had to follow the ways of airlines to ensure that guests with disabilities are treated as equal as everyone else. Eg as each ride is refurbed, lines are made more accessible.

Please do not get me wrong, I understand navigating the parks can be tiring and stressful - my gripe is not with legitimate users, just those in society that think its acceptable to rent an ECV for the sake of it... There are people out there doin so, if anyone on these forums want to accept it or not....
 

Goofyernmost

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They don't. I understand that for legitimate users they can be handy and make the parks more enjoyable - if you are registered disabled (mobility wise) then fine, but there is no denying that a fair few WDW guests rent them when they dont really need them.

Having visited the parks with a disabled friend, she actually commented that Disney positively discriminates against the less abled by allowing guests to skip lines. I'm actually quite surprised that the parks haven't had to follow the ways of airlines to ensure that guests with disabilities are treated as equal as everyone else. Eg as each ride is refurbed, lines are made more accessible.

Please do not get me wrong, I understand navigating the parks can be tiring and stressful - my gripe is not with legitimate users, just those in society that think its acceptable to rent an ECV for the sake of it... There are people out there doin so, if anyone on these forums want to accept it or not....
I don't think any of us are unconscious enough to think that it isn't happening in grand scale, but since we, as the general public, have no way of knowing why a person has one, then in fairness to the actually disabled individual we have to give the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise, we have given ourselves medical degrees and have somehow mastered the ability to just know when something is not needed.

The laws and the trusting nature of those that wrote it, are now creating a problem for legitimately disabled people to be judged and made to feel uncomfortable by a group of people with no knowledge or ability to do so.
 

Victor Kelly

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It does seem that some people will do anything to appear to get an advantage over other people.

We are pretty new DVC owners and Thanksgiving 2012 we were able to come to Disney and use our ownership for the first time. I did not know anything about GAC or what it entailed. I was using a cane due to a near fatal car accident I was in at Easter 2012. A nice Cast member told me about getting a GAC pass and how it would make touring the Parks easier. She was right it did help but I was convinced that it was something offered by Disney to help guest. But I guess that some feel that it is a way to get ahead. Fast forward to June of this year. We are coming to visit again. I just recently had a major surgery on my ankle to repair 2 torn tendons and a torn ligament left over from my car accident from last year. My Dr. gave me explicit instructions that I have to use a wheelchair. At first I thought that I would be able to get a GAC to help with our trip, but now after hearing what has happened I am hesitant about getting one. The pain that I am in is not worth a GAC if people are going to abuse the courtesy that Disney extends. I would rather wait with all of the guest. Some people feel that they are "owed" or "entitled" to special services just because of who they are or think that they are. I disagree with that.

No don't damage yourself or feel that you must forego something that can be of help to you. Use the wheelchair and GAC, To hell with the people that are taking advantage of the system or give you dirty looks. You should not feel the need to not use what is in place for a bonafide issue. My dad once went on the trip to WDW with a newly rebuilt knee. On the attractions where he went on with us, we went to the front of the line. ON the ones where he did not go with us, we went to the regular line. He was on crutches the entire trip, refused a wheelchair, but he was ok. If your doc says wheelchair, then use a wheelchair and get a GAC.
 

DJMoore2011

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THIS IS THE PROBLEM

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THIS IS NOT THE PROBLEM

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People can say whatever they want about me, but people... lets start with talking about the REAL issues and stop with all of our societal excuses.


How do you know that the woman in the first picture does not take meds that cause weight gain?? Or has health issues that do not allow her to work out.

Everyone wants to slam fat people on scooters. Yeah I know too many abuse the scooters no matter what their age are, but to blatantly say that EVERYONE is abusing it is wrong.

One day I may be the lady in the top because right now meds that are KEEPING ME ALIVE, are also causing me to gain weight. No matter how much I work out and keep active and watch what I eat, the meds cause a weight gain and the weight gain is causing other issues. I keep hoping one day that a different med will come out but until then I am fighting each day not to end up in a scooter.
 

RandomPrincess

Keep Moving Forward
THIS IS THE PROBLEM

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THIS IS NOT THE PROBLEM

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People can say whatever they want about me, but people... lets start with talking about the REAL issues and stop with all of our societal excuses.

The man in the second picture is breaking the rules. Disney has a rule against more then one person on a scooter.
 

Goofyernmost

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that's like some sad explanation as to why my wife and I split a steak because we're young, ambitious, and are saving for our 1st home... as opposed to the lady in front of me who has a porterhouse for her and her husband with a side of lobster meat because they have an EBT foodstamps card. That's like saying we're all predisposed to economic and health conditions so just roll over and deal with it.
Well, the reality is that NO ONE except the individual directly in need, has any business caring what or why they are doing anything. Live your live however you want to...nobody cares, just like you shouldn't care what other do, look like or take advantage of. It is simply a matter of it being absolutely none of anyone's business. The why's are not relevant, it is the actual situation, in real time, that is the guiding force. If everyone was judged for things based on how they got to that point, instead of where are you right now, I'm sure many, if not most of us, would not pass the test.
 

GenerationX

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Theyre forming a committee.
Yep, the Guide Abuse Committee (GAC). Here's their report:

GAC on GAC

Stacks
Stacks
Cash in stacks
Cash in stacks for Guides with GACs

Crack
Crack
Found a crack
Found a crack in Rules for GAC

Attack
Hack
Back
Launch attack
Website hack on Guide with GAC
Redirect back to Disney VIP Tours track.
 
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