Rian Johnson still in the mix for new Star Wars Movies

[Mmoore29]

If you want an actual case "no coherent story or plan", look at Paul W.S. Anderson and the Resident Evil films, AKA "Look at my Hot Wife!"

 

[mary2013]

Yes they did. But we are talking about one of, if not the most, ravenous fan base ever. So if they wanted to show up, they would have. Couple that with Disney fans, the same ones that put lines around the park for days when Mermaid opened in DL. And that says everything in my opinion.

When GE opened in DL, didn't people have to make reservations just to get in the land?

 

[erasure fan1]

When GE opened in DL, didn't people have to make reservations just to get in the land?

Yes, because they thought they would need it. Iger said, "I could just send out an email that says were open and everyone will come". But they didn't. They figured the fan base would just eat it up and pay the room rates just because it's star wars. But it never happened.

 

[Mmoore29]

Yes, because they thought they would need it. Iger said, "I could just send out an email that says were open and everyone will come". But they didn't. They figured the fan base would just eat it up and pay the room rates just because it's star wars. But it never happened.

 

[erasure fan1]

Really?

 

[Mmoore29]

I've seen nothing but massive lines and happy people at Galaxy's Edge. Now, admittedly, this was last February, pre-COVID, but the enthusiasm and success was there. I was absolutely in a sea of foot traffic and people bunched around, massive lines for everything.

It's also funny that somehow, the fact that each film in the sequel trilogy made over $1 billion worldwide somehow equates to "failure" and "fatigue." The fact is that these movies, this direction, has been accepted with open arms by the vast majority of people, as Star Wars has always been. Even when perception ruled that the prequels were unpopular, that was never really the case; by and large, they were accepted. I know that from personal experience, seeing the movies in the theaters back then; the massive lines of costumed fans, the absolute exhilaration every single one of them gave exiting, the waves of applause during the credits.

Star Wars still matters, and they are still just as rabid about it. And to lazily assume that people are "over it", "done with it" and "disgruntled with Disney" is intellectually dishonest.

 

[erasure fan1]

I've seen nothing but massive lines and happy people at Galaxy's Edge. Now, admittedly, this was last February, pre-COVID, but the enthusiasm and success was there. I was absolutely in a sea of foot traffic and people bunched around, massive lines for everything.

It's also funny that somehow, the fact that each film in the sequel trilogy made over $1 billion worldwide somehow equates to "failure" and "fatigue." The fact is that these movies, this direction, has been accepted with open arms by the vast majority of people, as Star Wars has always been. Even when perception ruled that the prequels were unpopular, that was never really the case; by and large, they were accepted. I know that from personal experience, seeing the movies in the theaters back then; the massive lines of costumed fans, the absolute exhilaration every single one of them gave exiting, the waves of applause during the credits.

Star Wars still matters, and they are still just as rabid about it. And to lazily assume that people are "over it", "done with it" and "disgruntled with Disney" is intellectually dishonest.

First off, it's a discussion board based on opinions, so the idiot comment isn't necessary. Secondly, that's a lot of information you've extrapolated from my post. I'm not sure where you saw all these "massive" lines at Disneyland. The information is there, you can see how low the attendance was, and not just for a few days or weeks. My sister in law was there about 2 months after galaxys edge opened. It was a ghost town compared to normal. Unprecedented low attendance, the information is there.

You can wonder all you want why people have said the box office for the sequels was a failure. But if you think that Disney was happy that the finale of the Skywalker saga made less money than a spinoff, and made less than half of the first, I'd say you should quote yourself with that Simpsons post.

Personally I don't think star wars is done, ive NEVER said that. The Mandalorian proves that it isn't done. But it isn't all sunshine and roses over at Lucasfilm with star wars. If it was, there would be a plan for the franchise, but there isn't.

 

[LSLS]

I've seen nothing but massive lines and happy people at Galaxy's Edge. Now, admittedly, this was last February, pre-COVID, but the enthusiasm and success was there. I was absolutely in a sea of foot traffic and people bunched around, massive lines for everything.

It's also funny that somehow, the fact that each film in the sequel trilogy made over $1 billion worldwide somehow equates to "failure" and "fatigue." The fact is that these movies, this direction, has been accepted with open arms by the vast majority of people, as Star Wars has always been. Even when perception ruled that the prequels were unpopular, that was never really the case; by and large, they were accepted. I know that from personal experience, seeing the movies in the theaters back then; the massive lines of costumed fans, the absolute exhilaration every single one of them gave exiting, the waves of applause during the credits.

Star Wars still matters, and they are still just as rabid about it. And to lazily assume that people are "over it", "done with it" and "disgruntled with Disney" is intellectually dishonest.

Next to nobody is making that claim, that is a strawman argument. These movies did all make over $1 billion, and Star Wars is going nowhere (especially now that they are hitting a bit of a formula on Disney +). But if you think losing $1 billion from 7 to 9 was the plan and exactly as hoped, you are kidding yourself. If you think the plan was to scrap all movies going forward for a time, again, kidding yourself. If you think huge declines in toy and video game sales were the goal, I point above again. Disney was obviously worried enough where they were at that they reigned in productions after they wrapped up the ST. Which leads to my question for you. If you truly believe there is no failure/fatigue/things are exactly as they hoped, why did they openly announce they pausing all Star Wars movies going forward? That doesn't sound like the actions of a studio that thought they were in a great place.

Now, back to the discussion at hand, I still find it hard to believe they will give Johnson his own trilogy. It doesn't have anything to do with what I thought of TLJ, or what I think of him as a director. I think it's very obvious that he is very divisive among Star Wars fans (again, you can say more like his movies than not, that's not the question. The question is will he maximize their profits), and I think with what they have built out of the Mandalorian, it's going to make much more sense for them to try to give Farveau/Filloni the reigns on a trilogy, or someone else who doesn't have a negative image to some fans.

 

[erasure fan1]

Now, back to the discussion at hand, I still find it hard to believe they will give Johnson his own trilogy. It doesn't have anything to do with what I thought of TLJ, or what I think of him as a director. I think it's very obvious that he is very divisive among Star Wars fans (again, you can say more like his movies than not, that's not the question. The question is will he maximize their profits),

Yes, and not only is he a extremely polarizing figure among core star wars fans. The casual fan just doesn't really care. I talk about star wars any chance I can. And although my world isn't that big, the overwhelming majority of what I would call casual fans, are just meh on the sequels. They don't call them bad, but they certainly don't call them great. So why would Disney want to continue on with a guy who the majority of the core fan base is completely against? And the casual movie goer doesn't care about either way? The answer is they won't. Disney has done some dumb things with star wars, but giving Rian a 2nd star wars project most likely won't be one of them.

 

[_caleb]

Disney’s new strategy is to see its “audience” for what it is—hundreds of smaller audiences. This means they’re going to do a smaller, cheaper deep-dive for a broad variety of fandoms. A lot of fans hate Rian Johnson’s take on Star Wars—for them, there’s the Mandalorian and other Filoni (Lucas) projects in the works.

But Johnson’s take also has its own fan base—lots of people who appreciated how he broke with convention and took things in a less predictable direction. These were likely NEW fans to Star Wars (new markets, younger fans) who weren’t attracted to their fathers’ (and grandfathers’) Star Wars, so it makes sense that Disney would lean into Rian Johnson’s vision for the SWU.

It seems to me that Disney is going after both audiences as seperate but related. And casual viewers will love both.

 

[Mmoore29]

Personally I don't think star wars is done, ive NEVER said that. The Mandalorian proves that it isn't done. But it isn't all sunshine and roses over at Lucasfilm with star wars. If it was, there would be a plan for the franchise, but there isn't.

The box office is not a failure by any means. Over $1 billion means it's in safe hands. The only reason there was decrease from film to film was because the press wanted to build a false narrative of fatigue, and the more often you say a lie, the more people believe it. After all, the press going from reporting the truth that the backlash was a vocal minority, and moving to give them credence was not because any new evidence came up or changed, it hadn't. It was and still is only a vocal minority saying all these things. But the press bent over backwards to coddle them, and come up with clickbait titles and stories about a fan revolt that wasn't actually happening. It wasn't true of the prequels, and it isn't true now. But the press continually likes to pretend otherwise, and they've convinced enough mouthbreathers and low attention span sheep that it is true.

For saying "no plan." There has always been a plan; but you can't be slaved to a plan and have it set in stone forever. Even Lucas, who did have such a plan, changed a lot of it through organic evolution and made improvements on the fly during the original and prequel trilogies. So the Disney era is no different. There was a plan, it was all put down, but they realized things could be better, and they made it so. And it all fits as a cohesive whole, chronologically, from The Phantom Menace to The Rise of Skywalker. The only problem with the modern Lucasfilm is with regarding the print materials, because despite the division regarding Legends and canon and supposedly getting rid of the tiered-continuity system, it's clear the tiered-continuity is actually still in place; which is why people say things in the movies "go against canon" such as the state of Luke's X-Wing. That certainly should be overhauled more.

And to make things clear, I've never visited Disneyland; the Galaxy's Edge I visited was Walt Disney World; again this was last February, specifically around Super Bowl Weekend, prior to shutdowns. And there lots of lines, lots of foot traffic, and often being bunched together. And yet, because of also being bunched, there was simultaneously elbow room and open areas, as was intended. There was lots of traffic, quite full, and yet plenty of space to make people think "not full" because their vision of full is "elbow-to-elbow claustrophobia."

Kathleen Kennedy has done an amazing job at Lucasfilm, very much on par with what Kevin Feige has done at Marvel. The only one who has been "ruining" things is Alan Horn, with his bullheaded assertion to release Solo in May instead of Christmas. (I honestly don't understand why Iger thinks Horn is his best hire; Horn is an arsonist who is also a firefighter.) Simply put, Kennedy is not the second coming of Ronald O. Perelman and his decision to drive the original Marvel into the ground and nearly killing off comics as a whole because of milking every penny that could be made, variant covers and other ways to pander to collectors/speculators, excessive gimmicks and insulting fan intelligence. If Kennedy/Disney as a whole were just "in it for the money and having no knowledge or idea of what Star Wars should be," they would've done a full reboot and started completely from scratch and disregarded all Lucas had done with the first six films.

BTW, I have an alternate history timeline, one in which Disney and Lucasfilm are heavily featured in, that you and other people on this site should check out: https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads...-thread-involving-disney.971997/#post-9675509

 

[erasure fan1]

Kathleen Kennedy has done an amazing job at Lucasfilm, very much on par with what Kevin Feige has done at Marvel.

Ok, I'm sorry but this is a joke right? You can't be serious. If you are, just wow, ignorance at it's finest. What Feige has done with Marvel has never been accomplished before. Kennedys star wars isn't on the same street as the mcu. Heck its not in the same town, or state for that matter.

 

[Mmoore29]

Ok, I'm sorry but this is a joke right? You can't be serious. If you are, just wow, ignorance at it's finest. What Feige has done with Marvel has never been accomplished before. Kennedys star wars isn't on the same street as the mcu. Heck its not in the same town, or state for that matter.

I am perfectly serious. She has done a great job, and she's a star in the Disney orbit, as much as Feige, as much as Lasseter, Catmull, Jennifer Lee, Pete Docter and Sean Bailey.

I'm no "casual fan" that "will open their mouth to eat any crap", either. I'm a bona fide, true fan. True, I wasn't born when the original trilogy was originally released, but original trilogy is what I saw first, and fell in love with instantly. I loved and accepted the Special Editions, and I remember the cheers and fun in the theaters then, not a cross word for them. Same with the prequels. I got the toys, I got books, I got video games, I got costumes, I'm as very much a fan as you can imagine. And I love what Disney has done too. 25 years I've spent with Star Wars, and I don't regret any of it, except the theatrical film used as the pilot for The Clone Wars, but everyone does.

 

[Professortango1]

Disney’s new strategy is to see it’s “audience” for what it is—hundreds of smaller audiences. This means they’re going to do a smaller, cheaper deep-dive for a broad variety of fandoms. A lot of fans hate Rian Johnson’s take on Star Wars—for them, there’s the Mandalorian and other Filoni (Lucas) projects in the works.

But Johnson’s take also has its own fan base—lots of people who appreciated how he broke with convention and took things in a less predictable direction. These were likely NEW fans to Star Wars (new markets, younger fans) who weren’t attracted to their fathers’ (and grandfathers’) Star Wars, so it makes sense that Disney would lean into Rian Johnson’s vision for the SWU.

It seems to me that Disney is going after both audiences as seperate but related. And casual viewers will love both.

Exactly! I know a Rian Johnson trilogy sounds far more exciting to me than a Ahsoka series or any of the announced films.

 

[LSLS]

The box office is not a failure by any means. Over $1 billion means it's in safe hands. The only reason there was decrease from film to film was because the press wanted to build a false narrative of fatigue, and the more often you say a lie, the more people believe it. After all, the press going from reporting the truth that the backlash was a vocal minority, and moving to give them credence was not because any new evidence came up or changed, it hadn't. It was and still is only a vocal minority saying all these things. But the press bent over backwards to coddle them, and come up with clickbait titles and stories about a fan revolt that wasn't actually happening. It wasn't true of the prequels, and it isn't true now. But the press continually likes to pretend otherwise, and they've convinced enough mouthbreathers and low attention span sheep that it is true.

For saying "no plan." There has always been a plan; but you can't be slaved to a plan and have it set in stone forever. Even Lucas, who did have such a plan, changed a lot of it through organic evolution and made improvements on the fly during the original and prequel trilogies. So the Disney era is no different. There was a plan, it was all put down, but they realized things could be better, and they made it so. And it all fits as a cohesive whole, chronologically, from The Phantom Menace to The Rise of Skywalker. The only problem with the modern Lucasfilm is with regarding the print materials, because despite the division regarding Legends and canon and supposedly getting rid of the tiered-continuity system, it's clear the tiered-continuity is actually still in place; which is why people say things in the movies "go against canon" such as the state of Luke's X-Wing. That certainly should be overhauled more.

And to make things clear, I've never visited Disneyland; the Galaxy's Edge I visited was Walt Disney World; again this was last February, specifically around Super Bowl Weekend, prior to shutdowns. And there lots of lines, lots of foot traffic, and often being bunched together. And yet, because of also being bunched, there was simultaneously elbow room and open areas, as was intended. There was lots of traffic, quite full, and yet plenty of space to make people think "not full" because their vision of full is "elbow-to-elbow claustrophobia."

Kathleen Kennedy has done an amazing job at Lucasfilm, very much on par with what Kevin Feige has done at Marvel. The only one who has been "ruining" things is Alan Horn, with his bullheaded assertion to release Solo in May instead of Christmas. (I honestly don't understand why Iger thinks Horn is his best hire; Horn is an arsonist who is also a firefighter.) Simply put, Kennedy is not the second coming of Ronald O. Perelman and his decision to drive the original Marvel into the ground and nearly killing off comics as a whole because of milking every penny that could be made, variant covers and other ways to pander to collectors/speculators, excessive gimmicks and insulting fan intelligence. If Kennedy/Disney as a whole were just "in it for the money and having no knowledge or idea of what Star Wars should be," they would've done a full reboot and started completely from scratch and disregarded all Lucas had done with the first six films.

BTW, I have an alternate history timeline, one in which Disney and Lucasfilm are heavily featured in, that you and other people on this site should check out: https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads...-thread-involving-disney.971997/#post-9675509

You are obviously making things up. The Last Jedi saw like 68% decreases from opening weekend to the second weekend. You are honestly saying the MEDIA did that? Lets also remember the media by and large gave huge praise for TLJ. So they praised it, brought out huge numbers opening weekend, then made up division that caused everyone to go "Oh man, not going to see that again." And the media is the reason that toy and video game sales plummeted? And who is this media? Again, critics loved TLJ. And I don't see to recall large stories on CNN and Fox about the hatred of the movie weeks later. But back to my original question, why did Disney publicly state no more movies after Rise of Skywalker if they were very happy with the results?

And I'll finish with this. I'm not a die hard Star Wars guy. I am more of the casual fan. A while back there was a thread comparing trilogies, and I actually straight said the Sequel Trilogy was better than the Prequel in terms of movie to movie comparisons. That said, I can't watch TLJ in one sitting. I don't care what they did to Luke or Leia or anything like that. It was simply a boring movie. I don't care about anything else with it, other than for about an hour out of that film, I was bored out of my mind.

 

[Mmoore29]

You are obviously making things up. The Last Jedi saw like 68% decreases from opening weekend to the second weekend. You are honestly saying the MEDIA did that? Lets also remember the media by and large gave huge praise for TLJ. So they praised it, brought out huge numbers opening weekend, then made up division that caused everyone to go "Oh man, not going to see that again." And the media is the reason that toy and video game sales plummeted? And who is this media? Again, critics loved TLJ. And I don't see to recall large stories on CNN and Fox about the hatred of the movie weeks later. But back to my original question, why did Disney publicly state no more movies after Rise of Skywalker if they were very happy with the results?

And I'll finish with this. I'm not a die hard Star Wars guy. I am more of the casual fan. A while back there was a thread comparing trilogies, and I actually straight said the Sequel Trilogy was better than the Prequel in terms of movie to movie comparisons. That said, I can't watch TLJ in one sitting. I don't care what they did to Luke or Leia or anything like that. It was simply a boring movie. I don't care about anything else with it, other than for about an hour out of that film, I was bored out of my mind.

I said "not a failure", not necessarily the same thing. And besides, the branch out to streaming would've happened regardless, it just might have been somewhat different. They said "no more films" because of Solo, not Rise of Skywalker, and that movie disappointed because of Alan Horn, not the film itself and not Kennedy.

What I also said is that the press originally pointed out the truth, that the vocal minority expressing dissatisfaction was in fact a vocal minority. But they felt a mixture of being cowed into submission as well as smelling a narrative, so they flipped to say the dissatisfaction was massive and real when it wasn't. What happened in decreases was the same that happened with Terminator: Dark Fate, idiots spoiled the ending and other idiots chose not to come. That's all. Then the press made more of it than it actually was. The press had been planting the idea of "franchise fatigue" in various ways even before The Force Awakens, planting kernels of that from the start. Like I said, say a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. That's what happened. The press may not have done the first decrease, but they did the decreases afterwards. Then they especially did that for Rise of Skywalker.

Also, critics and the press are not one and the same. The media did not give raves to TLJ, critics did. The media, as in authors who make articles and blog posts that are not reviews, were the ones that told The Big Lie about Star Wars. That's different from critics, whose job is simply to review movies, shows, books and games. Critics are not automatically the same as journalists.

 

[LSLS]

Disney’s new strategy is to see it’s “audience” for what it is—hundreds of smaller audiences. This means they’re going to do a smaller, cheaper deep-dive for a broad variety of fandoms. A lot of fans hate Rian Johnson’s take on Star Wars—for them, there’s the Mandalorian and other Filoni (Lucas) projects in the works.

But Johnson’s take also has its own fan base—lots of people who appreciated how he broke with convention and took things in a less predictable direction. These were likely NEW fans to Star Wars (new markets, younger fans) who weren’t attracted to their fathers’ (and grandfathers’) Star Wars, so it makes sense that Disney would lean into Rian Johnson’s vision for the SWU.

It seems to me that Disney is going after both audiences as seperate but related. And casual viewers will love both.

I don't agree. I don't think Disney will invest all that money into a trilogy unless they believe it will maximize profits. They have seen the Mandalorian be able to draw both casual and die hard fans. Why would they look to break the base up? If you are able to cater to both bases with a trilogy, you double the money. I believe there are people who like TLJ more than any other Star Wars movie. However, I do not believe they are people that will only show up to a Rian Johnson Star Wars trilogy.

 

[LSLS]

I said "not a failure", not necessarily the same thing. And besides, the branch out to streaming would've happened regardless, it just might have been somewhat different. They said "no more films" because of Solo, not Rise of Skywalker, and that movie disappointed because of Alan Horn, not the film itself and not Kennedy.

What I also said is that the press originally pointed out the truth, that the vocal minority expressing dissatisfaction was in fact a vocal minority. But they felt a mixture of being cowed into submission as well as smelling a narrative, so they flipped to say the dissatisfaction was massive and real when it wasn't. What happened in decreases was the same that happened with Terminator: Dark Fate, idiots spoiled the ending and other idiots chose not to come. That's all. Then the press made more of it than it actually was. The press had been planting the idea of "franchise fatigue" in various ways even before The Force Awakens, planting kernels of that from the start. Like I said, say a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. That's what happened. The press may not have done the first decrease, but they did the decreases afterwards. Then they especially did that for Rise of Skywalker.

Also, critics and the press are not one and the same. The media did not give raves to TLJ, critics did. The media, as in authors who make articles and blog posts that are not reviews, were the ones that told The Big Lie about Star Wars. That's different from critics, whose job is simply to review movies, shows, books and games. Critics are not automatically the same as journalists.

So you are telling me the casual fans went out to find Star Wars blog posts, and decided to not see it (or in most cases, not see it a second time) because of those blogs?

So I don't say failure (nor does anyone else) ever. Again, that's a strawman. Do you think these movies underperformed (specifically 8 and 9)?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I've seen nothing but massive lines and happy people at Galaxy's Edge. Now, admittedly, this was last February, pre-COVID, but the enthusiasm and success was there. I was absolutely in a sea of foot traffic and people bunched around, massive lines for everything.

It's also funny that somehow, the fact that each film in the sequel trilogy made over $1 billion worldwide somehow equates to "failure" and "fatigue." The fact is that these movies, this direction, has been accepted with open arms by the vast majority of people, as Star Wars has always been. Even when perception ruled that the prequels were unpopular, that was never really the case; by and large, they were accepted. I know that from personal experience, seeing the movies in the theaters back then; the massive lines of costumed fans, the absolute exhilaration every single one of them gave exiting, the waves of applause during the credits.

Star Wars still matters, and they are still just as rabid about it. And to lazily assume that people are "over it", "done with it" and "disgruntled with Disney" is intellectually dishonest.

Then you slept through 2019...because it’s never been “massive” lines and happy people. The response was not a disaster nor a smash...in the middle. Which is not what they bought Star Wars for. Period.

And Disney parks received no “bump” for its efforts.

And a lot of the “core” Audience has relegated themselves to the sidelines until more/better products come.

That is a bottom line loss for disney. You can act as if that doesn’t matter. But it surely does. What planet are we on?

The box office is not a failure by any means. Over $1 billion means it's in safe hands. The only reason there was decrease from film to film was because the press wanted to build a false narrative of fatigue, and the more often you say a lie, the more people believe it. After all, the press going from reporting the truth that the backlash was a vocal minority, and moving to give them credence was not because any new evidence came up or changed, it hadn't. It was and still is only a vocal minority saying all these things. But the press bent over backwards to coddle them, and come up with clickbait titles and stories about a fan revolt that wasn't actually happening. It wasn't true of the prequels, and it isn't true now. But the press continually likes to pretend otherwise, and they've convinced enough mouthbreathers and low attention span sheep that it is true.

For saying "no plan." There has always been a plan; but you can't be slaved to a plan and have it set in stone forever. Even Lucas, who did have such a plan, changed a lot of it through organic evolution and made improvements on the fly during the original and prequel trilogies. So the Disney era is no different. There was a plan, it was all put down, but they realized things could be better, and they made it so. And it all fits as a cohesive whole, chronologically, from The Phantom Menace to The Rise of Skywalker. The only problem with the modern Lucasfilm is with regarding the print materials, because despite the division regarding Legends and canon and supposedly getting rid of the tiered-continuity system, it's clear the tiered-continuity is actually still in place; which is why people say things in the movies "go against canon" such as the state of Luke's X-Wing. That certainly should be overhauled more.

And to make things clear, I've never visited Disneyland; the Galaxy's Edge I visited was Walt Disney World; again this was last February, specifically around Super Bowl Weekend, prior to shutdowns. And there lots of lines, lots of foot traffic, and often being bunched together. And yet, because of also being bunched, there was simultaneously elbow room and open areas, as was intended. There was lots of traffic, quite full, and yet plenty of space to make people think "not full" because their vision of full is "elbow-to-elbow claustrophobia."

Kathleen Kennedy has done an amazing job at Lucasfilm, very much on par with what Kevin Feige has done at Marvel. The only one who has been "ruining" things is Alan Horn, with his bullheaded assertion to release Solo in May instead of Christmas. (I honestly don't understand why Iger thinks Horn is his best hire; Horn is an arsonist who is also a firefighter.) Simply put, Kennedy is not the second coming of Ronald O. Perelman and his decision to drive the original Marvel into the ground and nearly killing off comics as a whole because of milking every penny that could be made, variant covers and other ways to pander to collectors/speculators, excessive gimmicks and insulting fan intelligence. If Kennedy/Disney as a whole were just "in it for the money and having no knowledge or idea of what Star Wars should be," they would've done a full reboot and started completely from scratch and disregarded all Lucas had done with the first six films.

BTW, I have an alternate history timeline, one in which Disney and Lucasfilm are heavily featured in, that you and other people on this site should check out: https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads...-thread-involving-disney.971997/#post-9675509

Honestly, this is so devoid of grasp of any reality that it looks like it was written by a fired LFL exec.

Ok, I'm sorry but this is a joke right? You can't be serious. If you are, just wow, ignorance at it's finest. What Feige has done with Marvel has never been accomplished before. Kennedys star wars isn't on the same street as the mcu. Heck its not in the same town, or state for that matter.

Defend the masters. Never deviate.
Pretty obvious. To a slightly untrained observer - having a flop, a precipitous decline in BO and merch, and icing the entire proposed movie slate would be “enough” to correlate a problem.
But not in Cesar’s Palace.

I'm no "casual fan" that "will open their mouth to eat any crap", either. I'm a bona fide, true fan. True, I wasn't born when the original trilogy was originally released, but original trilogy is what I saw first, and fell in love with instantly. I loved and accepted the Special Editions, and I remember the cheers and fun in the theaters then, not a cross word for them. Same with the prequels. I got the toys, I got books, I got video games, I got costumes, I'm as very much a fan as you can imagine. And I love what Disney has done too. 25 years I've spent with Star Wars, and I don't regret any of it, except the theatrical film used as the pilot for The Clone Wars, but everyone does.

Bartender needs to cut someone off...

You are obviously making things up. The Last Jedi saw like 68% decreases from opening weekend to the second weekend. You are honestly saying the MEDIA did that? Lets also remember the media by and large gave huge praise for TLJ. So they praised it, brought out huge numbers opening weekend, then made up division that caused everyone to go "Oh man, not going to see that again." And the media is the reason that toy and video game sales plummeted? And who is this media? Again, critics loved TLJ. And I don't see to recall large stories on CNN and Fox about the hatred of the movie weeks later. But back to my original question, why did Disney publicly state no more movies after Rise of Skywalker if they were very happy with the results?

And I'll finish with this. I'm not a die hard Star Wars guy. I am more of the casual fan. A while back there was a thread comparing trilogies, and I actually straight said the Sequel Trilogy was better than the Prequel in terms of movie to movie comparisons. That said, I can't watch TLJ in one sitting. I don't care what they did to Luke or Leia or anything like that. It was simply a boring movie. I don't care about anything else with it, other than for about an hour out of that film, I was bored out of my mind.

Some people here are “lurking and liking” because they can’t sell that anymore than the newbies...

Cause there is NOTHING to sell in the charts.

(I expect more of you)

 

[Mmoore29]

Some people definitely did choose not see the films because of blogs. Some people chose not to because of press reports. Some people chose not to go because they're butthurt fanboys who can't accept that what they came up with in their head didn't come to pass. And various other reasons.

As to you other question: No, I do not think The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker underperformed. Making more than $1 billion is an impressive, roaring success. I don't just think that; I know it.