Rian Johnson still in the mix for new Star Wars Movies

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If I had to place a bet on what really is happening it would be this. Kennedy thinks it's happening, so Rian thinks it's happening. But in reality Disney has zero plans to go through with it and are just waiting till Kennedy is gone and the project just dissapears.

That would be the smart guess...

...but Disney’s handling of LFL has been as silly/ineffective as they could have possibly dreamed. So I won’t be shocked at anything.

Are they gonna let Slappy pick the new head of LFL? He’s 1001% unqualified for that task.

The list of examples is long, but distinguished.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Who is the "Disney" that has no plans? KK has three bosses: Bergman, chair of studios; the CEO, Bob Chapek; and a pseudo-boss in Iger who's supposed to be in charge of creative content.

Given his background and all the damage control he's enmeshed with, do you think Chapek has in his mind a short list of directors for future SW movies? He don't know movie production.

What has Bergman done with regard to LucasFilm?

That leaves Iger who has always backed KK and taken the blame for Solo.

They're the ones who've been backing her so far. And they'll pick her replacement when she retires (likely this year when contract is up... but... it can always be renewed).

You need help carrying that shield?

...Caesar commands you to help him loofa his back in the baths

 

[MisterPenguin]

You need help carrying that shield?

...Caesar commands you to help him loofa his back in the baths

You mean the shield that they carried the fired Kathleen Kennedy out on five years ago?

Oh, wait...

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You mean the shield that they carried the fired Kathleen Kennedy out on five years ago?

Oh, wait...

No...the one where she had the Hollywood reporter announce that she exercised her own contract option two years ago...which was never acknowledged by Disney.

And her story group was fired prior. And Feige and favreau were brought in. And lucas’s Prime pupil is front and center now...

I’ll help you move those goalposts.

The immediate troll demand that she be fired the minute the credits roll on last Jedi was just that...but the criticism was not unwarranted to a lesser degree.

 

[erasure fan1]

Who is the "Disney" that has no plans? KK has three bosses: Bergman, chair of studios; the CEO, Bob Chapek; and a pseudo-boss in Iger who's supposed to be in charge of creative content.

You answered your own question. Sure Iger took the fall for solo, a lot of the failure was on him by not moving the film to December because of Poppins. I wouldn't really call that backing Kennedy. I don't see Chapek, Burgman or Iger having ANY plans for a Rian Johnson anything in the star wars world. So if the plan was to renew Kennedys contract and have a Rian trilogy, it wouldn't be mia from everything.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You answered your own question. Sure Iger took the fall for solo, a lot of the failure was on him by not moving the film to December because of Poppins. I wouldn't really call that backing Kennedy. I don't see Chapek, Burgman or Iger having ANY plans for a Rian Johnson anything in the star wars world. So if the plan was to renew Kennedys contract and have a Rian trilogy, it wouldn't be mia from everything.

I’m not sure they “fire”
Kennedy...but she doesn’t appear to be in creative control at this point...that seems To be coming from above. I’ve seen zero interviews with her lauding their upcoming slate...which was NOT the case in the disaster sequel days. Can’t blame covid for that.

Could she stay on as a figurehead? I could see it. I can’t see her old boss, his buddy George, or James Cameron agreeing to that...but her resume is not in creative control...it’s more admin.

That could work...but ego in Hollywood wouldn’t fool anyone and it would be tough to hang around. Don’t think she needs the money.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I’m not sure they “fire”
Kennedy...but she doesn’t appear to be in creative control at this point...that seems To be coming from above.

So.. we thank Chapek for the Mandalorian?

I’ve seen zero interviews with her lauding their upcoming slate...which was NOT the case in the disaster sequel days.

She was front and center for the Investor Days.

 

[_caleb]

Godwin’s Law for Star Wars threads: "as an online discussion grows longer, the probability someone posts a theory blaming Kathleen Kennedy for something they don’t like approaches 1."

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So.. we thank Chapek for the Mandalorian?


She was front and center for the Investor Days.

Favreau and filoni did. Or didn’t you get around to reading the articles or watching the Disney produced documentaries on Disney +?

You should get that streaming service...you’d like it




The Disney internal stock webinar? “Confidence in the product you already bought?”

Define “front and center”?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Godwin’s Law for Star Wars threads: "as an online discussion grows longer, the probability someone posts a theory blaming Kathleen Kennedy for something they don’t like approaches 1."

Right...total scapegoating to point to the head of the unit that made a lot of bluster for 5 years about “how it’s gonna be” and then went into near exile for 3-4 after...

Definite conspiracy there.

 

[_caleb]

Right...total scapegoating to point to the head of the unit that made a lot of bluster for 5 years about “how it’s gonna be” and then went into near exile for 3-4 after...

Definite conspiracy there.

I’m not a Kennedy apologist, I just don’t understand blaming her for everything we don’t like about modern Star Wars but not giving her any credit for what we do like. Think about what Kathleen Kennedy was saying during that time—she wanted more female lead actors, to embrace direct-to-consumer, support a variety of directors to make Star Wars stories from different perspectives—all of it she has lead the company to do successfully.

Under her leadership (when hands-on and hands-off), Star Wars has made $6B. She’s had some misses, sure. But she’s also had some wins.

I know you’re a big fan—you know all this. I just want us to be a bit more even-handed in the blame/credit game and to resist filling in what we don’t actually know with assumptions, theories, and gossip.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Favreau and filoni did. Or didn’t you get around to reading the articles or watching the Disney produced documentaries on Disney +?

You're the one asserting that, and I quote, "she doesn’t appear to be in creative control at this point...that seems To be coming from above."

Who is this "above" KK that is sidelining KK and putting F&F in charge?

You're the other person asserting that "Disney" or "someone" above has taken over control of LucasFilm. Who exactly is that person or persons?

Define “front and center”?

In front of the camera. The center of the LucasFilm presentation.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You're the one asserting that, and I quote, "she doesn’t appear to be in creative control at this point...that seems To be coming from above."

Who is this "above" KK that is sidelining KK and putting F&F in charge?

You're the other person asserting that "Disney" or "someone" above has taken over control of LucasFilm. Who exactly is that person or persons?



In front of the camera. The center of the LucasFilm presentation.

We’re gonna have to agree to disagree (shocking) on this and really only this particular subject...we’ll have tea and krumpets on others.

The events to come will really tell the story. If Kennedy is given a five year contract extension and starts doing more unrelated, non-canon material with manboy...then I’m wrong and Disney’s financials are telling them a different story than what it appears.

We should let it play and see where our wagers end up.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’m not a Kennedy apologist, I just don’t understand blaming her for everything we don’t like about modern Star Wars but not giving her any credit for what we do like. Think about what Kathleen Kennedy was saying during that time—she wanted more female lead actors, to embrace direct-to-consumer, support a variety of directors to make Star Wars stories from different perspectives—all of it she has lead the company to do successfully.

Under her leadership (when hands-on and hands-off), Star Wars has made $6B. She’s had some misses, sure. But she’s also had some wins.

I know you’re a big fan—you know all this. I just want us to be a bit more even-handed in the blame/credit game and to resist filling in what we don’t actually know with assumptions, theories, and gossip.

I just think - and i’m Sure it’s not all
Her - that they have done the LEAST possible with what was near universally agreed was the biggest pop franchise from an economic perspective to debut in the last 50 years.

$6 B Might seem a lot...but compare it to the estimated $100 billion of licensed product it gleaned prior. We’re talking starting in 1977 dollars. The adjustment just on diminished value/inflation is staggering.

I don’t think Star Wars has collapsed...and there is still strong potential to be tapped - even by Disney - but it’s very hard to argue they haven’t underachieved by analysis. And let’s face it: Disney stock holders were never ok with anything coming in under the bar. Real world. That will determine her fate: the ability to profit off it moving forward. If they think there will be more missteps: she’s gone.

But it’s not all on her. They pooched the second most anticipated movie trilogy ever...George hacked up the first. But you get extra demerits for making the same mistake again. Real life.
There’s a lot of blame to go around starting with Bob and Alan Horn. Couldn’t figure out that changing the characters of the three biggest draws to a franchise that people have spent $100 bil on licensed product might get you into trouble??
A kindergarten class could.

 

[MisterPenguin]

We’re gonna have to agree to disagree (shocking) on this and really only this particular subject...we’ll have tea and krumpets on others.

No, this isn't a matter of opinion.

You made an assertion that creative control has been taken away from KK "from above".

There are only 3 people above KK in Disney Corp.

Which of these 3 have sidelined KK?

You made the assertion, and two attempts to get you clarify that assertion have been met with deflection.

At this point, it's clear: You don't know what you're talking about. You buy into vague whispers and when asked to clarify how they can be true, you run and hide.

This is the kind of conspiracy and fake news you deride certain politicians and ideological media for spreading. In the end, your take on this is powered by emotion and all logic has been thrown out the window.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

No, this isn't a matter of opinion.

You made an assertion that creative control has been taken away from KK "from above".

There are only 3 people above KK in Disney Corp.

Which of these 3 have sidelined KK?

You made the assertion, and two attempts to get you clarify that assertion have been met with deflection.

At this point, it's clear: You don't know what you're talking about. You buy into vague whispers and when asked to clarify how they can be true, you run and hide.

This is the kind of conspiracy and fake news you deride certain politicians and ideological media for spreading. In the end, your take on this is powered by emotion and all logic has been thrown out the window.

So even when I don’t want to argue...you want to argue?

Let it play. I’ll see how it turns out and then weigh where I went right/wrong.

The charts didn’t result in what you thought with this. I didn’t invent the Disney Star Wars backlash...and I’m not powerful enough to make it grow.

I certainly didn’t have anything to do with the product sales dropping like a rock (and they have).

Let it go, man. You’re showing your “jersey” in this by fighting a battle that doesn’t match the record.

 

[MisterPenguin]

So even when I don’t want to argue...you want to argue.

The charts didn’t result in what you thought with this. I didn’t invent the Disney Star Wars backlash...and I’m not powerful enough to make it grow.

I certainly didn’t have anything to do with the product sales dropping like a rock (and they have).

Let it go, man. You’re showing your “jersey” in this by fighting a battle that doesn’t match the record.

4th time dodging the clarification of your assertion.

And yes, you do want to argue. Like all the times you venture into this KK derangement space and then tag me as going to show up and argue with you. It's like a child that thrives on negative attention.

If you don't want to argue, stop responding.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

4th time dodging the clarification of your assertion.

And yes, you do want to argue. Like all the times you venture into this KK derangement space and then tag me as going to show up and argue with you. It's like a child that thrives on negative attention.

If you don't want to argue, stop responding.

I think i tagged you once...for comedic effect.

But since 2019...I haven’t really addressed you directly. We need our “space”

What “assertion”
Did I dodge?

Just to recap...you can go back and read the 3,000 posts if you want...

1. I think Kennedy deserved to be fired for allowing bad movies and hiring bad people to do them.
2. They didn’t...and though i don’t agree with it...I see Iger in that. He’s vain and weighed the PR implications
3. Star Wars has done a near 180 since. Fight that and be wrong.
4. She is 6 months from contract ending - on an option that was not acknowledged by Disney. Her public interviews/appearances have been drastically reduced. Again, fight that and be wrong.

If you want a good depiction....roll the tape of the opening ceremony for sequel land in Anaheim in 2019. Notice anything?

There is also the optics.
This is older...and not exactly the AP...but read her quotes about the need for change and direction. Someone had a lot of nuts in 2016...

Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy Made It Clear She Wanted To Fundamentally Change The Star Wars Brand - Bounding Into Comics

Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy revealed that she set out to fundamentally change the Star Wars brand once Disney acquired the company.

www.google.com

But how’d that go? Unless I’m mistaken...by far the most successful entry by Disney is a show about a boba fett clone and a cute mini-yoda...

That is both a success with understanding the IP and a COMPLETE failure acknowledgement by the braintrust. That is ground for fire in Hollywood. It is. I’d submit that only Disney - worried about optics - have the patience to not clean house immediately.


For some reason...this topic has to be a rant. I started it...I made fun of the box office charts for the farce awakens and the last Johnson...saying they didn’t cover the problem. Well they didn’t...but I was mean about it. Mistakes were made.

But I’ll venture two things that color this snit:
1. I’m not always right
2. Annoyingly...sometimes I am.

Neither you nor I determine the fate of a Hollywood exec. But if this is a”game”...im
Up 10 points in the third quarter. You gotta shut down the run game and air it out.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I think i tagged you once...for comedic effect.

But since 2019...I haven’t really addressed you directly. We need our “space”

What “assertion”
Did I dodge?

Just to recap...you can go back and read the 3,000 posts if you want...

1. I think Kennedy deserved to be fired for allowing bad movies and hiring bad people to do them.
2. They didn’t...and though i don’t agree with it...I see Iger in that. He’s vain and weighed the PR implications
3. Star Wars has done a near 180 since. Fight that and be wrong.
4. She is 6 months from contract ending - on an option that was not acknowledged by Disney. Her public interviews/appearances have been drastically reduced. Again, fight that and be wrong.

If you want a good depiction....roll the tape of the opening ceremony for sequel land in Anaheim in 2019. Notice anything?

There is also the optics.
This is older...and not exactly the AP...but read her quotes about the need for change and direction. Someone had a lot of nuts in 2016...

Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy Made It Clear She Wanted To Fundamentally Change The Star Wars Brand - Bounding Into Comics

Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy revealed that she set out to fundamentally change the Star Wars brand once Disney acquired the company.

www.google.com

But how’d that go? Unless I’m mistaken...by far the most successful entry by Disney is a show about a boba fett clone and a cute mini-yoda...

That is both a success with understanding the IP and a COMPLETE failure acknowledgement by the braintrust. That is ground for fire in Hollywood. It is. I’d submit that only Disney - worried about optics - have the patience to not clean house immediately.


For some reason...this topic has to be a rant. I started it...I made fun of the box office charts for the farce awakens and the last Johnson...saying they didn’t cover the problem. Well they didn’t...but I was mean about it. Mistakes were made.

But I’ll venture two things that color this snit:
1. I’m not always right
2. Annoyingly...sometimes I am.

Neither you nor I determine the fate of a Hollywood exec. But if this is a”game”...im
Up 10 points in the third quarter. You gotta shut down the run game and air it out.

You: "she doesn’t appear to be in creative control at this point...that seems To be coming from above."

Who above her has taken away her creative control?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You: "she doesn’t appear to be in creative control at this point...that seems To be coming from above."

Who above her has taken away her creative control?

You missed “appear”...that is an opinion and I’ll stand by it.

Of the current and only offering? favreau.

Remember Alan Horn isn’t the studio head now either...more of an ambiguous “Lassiter” type position that smells of parachute. No distinct responsibilities.