News Return of the Walt Disney World tram fleet tracker

The Mom

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Popcorn stands make money. This is a calculated decision. If your staffing sucks, why use it to operate money-losing operations?

Yeah, I know it's "part of the experience" or "an expected offering", but it hasn't been for the past 18 months and the worst blowback has been a comedian doing a 15 second bit.

Note - I don't really agree with any of this, but it makes logical sense.
We don't know how many guests with mobility issues, many who also have co-morbidities that increase their dying from Covid - have avoided going to WDW . And many parents are not comfortable bringing stroller aged children into crowds.
 

SoFloMagic

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We don't know how many guests with mobility issues, many who also have co-morbidities that increase their dying from Covid - have avoided going to WDW . And many parents are not comfortable bringing stroller aged children into crowds.
Very fair point. They will certainly need to come back.

Side note - one of my favorite memories was a slow night at Epcot when the tram told us they were going for a "world record time" to get to the lot and raced another tram.
 

ImperfectPixie

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I’ll use my example again. My 80’year old grandma doesn’t need a wheelchair at the parks, we pace it out so we have a good balance of walking/sitting/resting as we go about the park. However, I can’t imagine making her walk from the middle of any of these parking lots just to get to the front entrance, that’s just cruel and very poor guest service. There’s no benches in the parking lots, no where to duck into to get AC, no shade. So now when she’s here this week I’ve had to come up with ways to get her to the front of parks without a tram. Some I’ll have to drop her at the rideshare area and leave her there and then exit the parking lot and park myself then meet up with her. Others I have booked a dining reservation at a hotel to get closer to transportation options(which we will just cancel once inside) It’s embarrassing that I have to go through such lengths because they can’t bring back a simple service. I know places are short staffed, but this one really needs to be a priority. I’d even compromise and say that maybe they only start running trams once cars hit a certain row, less labor and gas, but this really can’t continue and I hope people are voicing this to guest relations.

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1) Prior to the pandemic, they had started cracking down on people leaving their cars at the resorts, and yes, they were towing people.

2) People leaving cars at the resorts all day when they aren't staying there is why it's so hard to find parking when you DO have a reason to be there...and is why they started cracking down on it.
 

castlecake2.0

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1) Prior to the pandemic, they had started cracking down on people leaving their cars at the resorts, and yes, they were towing people.

2) People leaving cars at the resorts all day when they aren't staying there is why it's so hard to find parking when you DO have a reason to be there...and is why they started cracking down on it.
They don’t tow cars for staying a couple hours past their dining. Also I Hb ever said I was leaving my car there, I’m just dropping her off so she can get closer to park transportation.
 
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nickys

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Here's my prediction (you heard it here first) - the Genie plus thing will be FREE within 12 months...I actually think it's in their plan. It's a way of getting paid fast passes in while making themselves look good.

Ie...in 12 months time when they say "From 1st December we will no longer be charging for Genie+ " they will have people saying how brilliant Disney is...while realising they have in effect shoe horned in paid Fast Passes.

Either that or they will include Genie plus FREE of you stay at a Disney property....this I think WILL happen eventually 100%
Hate to break it to you, but you’re not the first to suggest that. In fact we had posters who insisted it would be free to resort guests from the start.
 

Chi84

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They don’t tow cars for staying a couple hours past their dining. Also I Hb ever said I was leaving my car there, I’m just dropping her off so she can get closer to park transportation.
This is true. Every time I've asked the security guard about how long we can leave our car at the Contemporary after our Cali Grill reservation (to look around the resort or visit another monorail resort), I've been told not to worry and just have a good time. No time limits or admonishments. I should clarify that we visit in April/May and October, so I can't speak to the busiest times of the year.
 

celluloid

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Yeah, the busy times all they do is enforce that you have a reservation as much as they can confirm, but there has never been an enforced limit of time to park, they want happy people who already spent money potentially spending more money.
 

legwand77

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We don't know how many guests with mobility issues, many who also have co-morbidities that increase their dying from Covid - have avoided going to WDW . And many parents are not comfortable bringing stroller aged children into crowds.
From my trips in the past few months, that number is still the same as before covid, just as many scooters/people with co-morbidities and strollers mixed in the crowd that I have ever seen. No real change from before.
 

celluloid

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Popcorn stands make money. This is a calculated decision. If your staffing sucks, why use it to operate money-losing operations?

Yeah, I know it's "part of the experience" or "an expected offering", but it hasn't been for the past 18 months and the worst blowback has been a comedian doing a 15 second bit.

Note - I don't really agree with any of this, but it makes logical sense.

The same could be said about Indiana Jones as a theme park stunt show, but without the entertainment industry mocking it. And that is coming back. The happier they can make people, the more money they spend, the faster they get people out of property, the sooner clock out times they can get for the many CMs still on the clock.

The trams will be back, like Indiana Jones, it is just going to take time for that to be worth it for them. When CPs return in a force that is reasonable. Probably next season.
 

larryz

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That'd be a great point... If that was actually a factor. But it's not. Disney could very well operate the trams and re-hire the drummers. The two do not conflict each other at all. Hiring the drummers back again is hardly even pocket change to Disney.

Side note: If the next big thing on why the trams aren't operating is "staffing," I call bull on that as well. Just like how I called bull when everyone was preaching that the trams weren't running due to Covid yet the monorail was back up and all the rides were going back to full capacity.

They have plenty of CMs working popcorn and mickey bar stands.... Lets get it together, Disney.
Those drummers aren't on stage all day long -- there's no reason they can't be out in the parking lot driving trams between shows!
 

larryz

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Totally agree in your situation...but your situation is probably 1 in 10,000 people in a car park - and Disney probably think that's not enough to keep them running when they are watching costs/staff numbers.
Based on your math, on a day where there's 50,000 people in the park, I should expect to see only 5 octogenarians???
 

JMcMahonEsq

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I'd actually be willing to bet that a huge chunk of Disney's park guests are handicap, and unseen handicap, actually.

And don't even get me started on the amount of obese folks (Sorry for the term. It's true, though. They're everywhere at WDW. And I specifically mean those without handicap issues.) that need to use ECVs because America.

If you're going to bring up business, then you need to know the facts. Because those people matter to Disney's business as well. Next time you go, make a game. Count how many people are riding on an ECV (whether a handicap is evident or not). My high score on a 4 day trip 3 years ago was 392 across all four parks. It was insane. There was literally a group of about 15 elderly people on their own ECV tour group lol.
No they really don’t matter at all. Not on a business perspective. There is a small set of the overall attendance at MK every day that use motorized assistance in the park. And of that subset some of them are staying at resorts ans are taking buses/monorails to the park. They by no means make up even a statistically significant portions of the let’s say 50K people who are visiting MK on a daily basis. Even if we give any credence to your 392 across four parks, which I don’t, that number isn’t statistically significant compared to overal park attendance.
 

Smooth

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Hmmm....Let`s see? Do I need or want the Trams? Do I need or want the parades back? Do I need or want extra entertainment? Do I need or want Disney`s Magical Express? I guess some things we do not really need. It just seems when we go to the most magical place on earth, we have grown to want them and expect them. Remember the Disney difference?
 

CaptainAmerica

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Hmmm....Let`s see? Do I need or want the Trams? Do I need or want the parades back? Do I need or want extra entertainment? Do I need or want Disney`s Magical Express? I guess some things we do not really need. It just seems when we go to the most magical place on earth, we have grown to want them and expect them. Remember the Disney difference?
I think it's valuable to separate "pandemic impacts that are taking longer to get back to normal than we'd like" and "permanent changes unrelated to COVID that we don't like."

Magic Express and the lack of a night parade at Magic Kingdom are different than no trams and reduced entertainment.
 

Bullseye1967

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Leaving your car at a resort you have dining reservations for all day is not something I would chance. You have a limited amount of time you can park there, I think it's like 3 hours or something. After that you risk being towed.
There is no limit to the time you can leave your vehicle at a resort after dining. You could even leave it overnight. Disney will tow in very, very few instances. If a vehicle is "out of place" which includes blocking a roadway, or a possible threat to public safety. Towing is not good Public Relations and is rarely used.
 

Bullseye1967

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1) Prior to the pandemic, they had started cracking down on people leaving their cars at the resorts, and yes, they were towing people.

2) People leaving cars at the resorts all day wheou n they aren't staying there is why it's so hard to find parking when you DO have a reason to be there...and is why they started cracking down on it.
If you saw a car being towed, maybe it had mechanical issues but it was not towed by security. I am very familiar with their towing procedures. You can even leave your car overnight. Do you know why? What if a guest had a dead battery and didn't want to deal with it till the next day. Or if a guest had too much to drink? They do not want the bad publicity for something that doesn't matter. On an average night 20 to 30 cars are left overnight in the parking garages at Disney Springs, even though there is clear signage stating you can not.
 

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