News Return of the Walt Disney World tram fleet tracker

[John park hopper]

FYI the MK parking lot is 125 acres and can hold 12,000 cars its not your Wally World parking lot can be a bit of a hike to the MK entrance.

 

[bcoachable]

FYI the MK parking lot is 125 acres and can hold 12,000 cars its not your Wally World parking lot can be a bit of a hike to the MK entrance.

To add- no sidewalks either

 

[castlecake2.0]

Id say there's a huge difference between 'need' and 'want'......theres plenty of last people who would much prefer being taken somewhere to avoid walking....the amount of people that actually 'need' it, as in, they cannot make it otherwise, is very very small.

I get your situation, but its a tiny number that could not go without the trolleys so Disney aren't that concerned by its effects.

That ratio still doesn’t make sense. There’s more than 6 people in magic kingdom a day that need assistance getting to the entrance.

 

[Thepuma]

I'd actually be willing to bet that a huge chunk of Disney's park guests are handicap, and unseen handicap, actually.

And don't even get me started on the amount of obese folks (Sorry for the term. It's true, though. They're everywhere at WDW. And I specifically mean those without handicap issues.) that need to use ECVs because America.

If you're going to bring up business, then you need to know the facts. Because those people matter to Disney's business as well. Next time you go, make a game. Count how many people are riding on an ECV (whether a handicap is evident or not). My high score on a 4 day trip 3 years ago was 392 across all four parks. It was insane. There was literally a group of about 15 elderly people on their own ECV tour group lol.

Talking business purely....if Disney are fine with raising prices astronomically for a lesser service and risk annoying millions of visitors because of it, I very much doubt they will worry about a few disabled people moaning about the trolleys not being run.

Disney simply dont care about your experience, don't care about annoying people, don't care about their perception as a company.....they ignorantly think they can charge any amount and their parks will always be full...which to be fair, they are right.

 

[WondersOfLife]

Many choose to vacation at places like WDW because they are accessible to a wide range of people who have difficulty traveling to other places. 50 years ago these people would have been stuck at home.

I completely agree. I hesitate to take my two best friends, both who are particularly fluffy, to Universal. They hated it there because they had to do that "walk of shame" so many times. Disney should be catering to all of their guests. I bring up the weight because it is a factor in the modern American tourist industry.

If the topic of business is brought up... Then Disney should bring those parking trams back. Getting as many guests in their parks would be a no brainer, you'd think. Even those who have a hard time getting around. When we put it that way... It's odd. You think it's a budget cut. But they're losing more money from the folks that need those trams to get in, rather than just operating them in the first place. (I think)

 

[WondersOfLife]

Talking business purely....if Disney are fine with raising prices astronomically for a lesser service and risk annoying millions of visitors because of it, I very much doubt they will worry about a few disabled people moaning about the trolleys not being run.

I, again, disagree with the word "few."

Disney simply dont care about your experience, don't care about annoying people, don't care about their perception as a company.....

Half agree/half disagree with those statements. I don't think it's as simple as you are making it out to be.

they ignorantly think they can charge any amount and their parks will always be full

I agree

...which to be fair, they are right.

They are not. lol

 

[Thepuma]

That ratio still doesn’t make sense. There’s more than 6 people in magic kingdom a day that need assistance getting to the entrance.

But as a percentage of total paying guests, it will be less than 1%...why would they worry about annoying 1% when they are bothered about annoying 99% of guests with silly guest plus and lighting lane costs.

Disney simply do not care about their guests...dont care about guest experience and don't care who they upset with their actions.

It's all about money from here on in...and its terribly sad, as Disney was always one place on earth where things felt great.

Shame on Disney for allowing this to happen...and greed taking over.

 

[WondersOfLife]

But as a percentage of total paying guests, it will be less than 1%...

Show us the facts and numbers from an official source on that.

why would they worry about annoying 1% when they are bothered about annoying 99% of guests with silly guest plus and lighting lane costs.

1% of guests may still purchase that $90 shirt at the "Creations Shop." But also, 1% is severely incorrect, I'm sure. We're both making assumptions but I'm pretty sure you are completely wrong on that.

don't care who they upset with their actions.

Hmmmmm.....

It's all about money from here on in

Now we're on the same page.

Shame on Disney for allowing this to happen...and greed taking over.

Agreed.

 

[Thepuma]

I completely agree. I hesitate to take my two best friends, both who are particularly fluffy, to Universal. They hated it there because they had to do that "walk of shame" so many times. Disney should be catering to all of their guests. I bring up the weight because it is a factor in the modern American tourist industry.

If the topic of business is brought up... Then Disney should bring those parking trams back. Getting as many guests in their parks would be a no brainer, you'd think. Even those who have a hard time getting around. When we put it that way... It's odd. You think it's a budget cut. But they're losing more money from the folks that need those trams to get in, rather than just operating them in the first place. (I think)

It's not about losing a few people because of stopping the trams. They will lose a LOT more people just through people not affording to go any more because of the extra costs.

It's my opinion that Disney needed to cut attendance by 20% (for argument sake) as the parks were getting way too busy and it spoiling the experience (like, 3 hour waits) - so by putting the average day costs up by 20% they are hoping it will stop 20% of people coming as they cannot afford it...therefore meaning Disney make the SAME profit but the parks aren't as busy.

Voila.

 

[mikeymouse]

No trams = free or reduced parking ... right??? The trend of everything else anymore ... take away quality/quantity but raise price.

 

[SoFloMagic]

That'd be a great point... If that was actually a factor. But it's not. Disney could very well operate the trams and re-hire the drummers. The two do not conflict each other at all. Hiring the drummers back again is hardly even pocket change to Disney.

Side note: If the next big thing on why the trams aren't operating is "staffing," I call bull on that as well. Just like how I called bull when everyone was preaching that the trams weren't running due to Covid yet the monorail was back up and all the rides were going back to full capacity.

They have plenty of CMs working popcorn and mickey bar stands.... Lets get it together, Disney.

Popcorn stands make money. This is a calculated decision. If your staffing sucks, why use it to operate money-losing operations?

Yeah, I know it's "part of the experience" or "an expected offering", but it hasn't been for the past 18 months and the worst blowback has been a comedian doing a 15 second bit.

Note - I don't really agree with any of this, but it makes logical sense.

 

[WondersOfLife]

It's not about losing a few people because of stopping the trams.

It is.

They will lose a LOT more people just through people not affording to go any more because of the extra costs.

They will.

It's my opinion that Disney needed to cut attendance by 20% (for argument sake) as the parks were getting way too busy and it spoiling the experience (like, 3 hour waits)

Indeed.

- so by putting the average day costs up by 20% they are hoping it will stop 20% of people coming as they cannot afford it...

Quite Likely.

therefore meaning Disney make the SAME profit but the parks aren't as busy.

....Not true. lol

Voila.

Voila. Disney ruins their self image. Watch this parking tram thing blow up when Disney gets a bunch of bad press for not accommodating everyone. Disney does care about their image. They just try to test and see how much budget cutting they can get away with.

All arguing aside.... Bring the trams back.

 

[WondersOfLife]

Popcorn stands make money. This is a calculated decision. If your staffing sucks, why use it to operate money-losing operations?

Agreed. To clarify: I have originally been saying that parking trams have not been operating due to budget cuts.

Yeah, I know it's "part of the experience" or "an expected offering", but it hasn't been for the past 18 months and the worst blowback has been a comedian doing a 15 second bit.

I'd be interested in seeing a list of complaints to guests relations on this, now that you bring that up.

Note - I don't really agree with any of this, but it makes logical sense.

Agreed. We're on the same page. Don't worry.

 

[John park hopper]

Disagree- increasing prices has not reduced attendance and that is not Disney's objective, if they really wanted to reduce attendance and thin out the crowds sell a reduced number of park tickets/day.

 

[castlecake2.0]

Parking Lots are not money losing operations when they charge $25 to get in

 

[Thepuma]

Disagree- increasing prices has not reduced attendance and that is not Disney's objective, if they really wanted to reduce attendance and thin out the crowds sell a reduced number of park tickets/day.

But by doing that they will lose both ways...they want to reduce capacity but keep profit.

If you think adding potentially $200 a day for a family isn't going to stop some families affording it, I think you're living in cloud cuckoo land.

At present, their is big demand because of lockdowns...and come November it will get mentally busy once you start letting us Brits in...but in 12 months time once everything gets back to normality..and travelling back to USA is not a novelty....I do think numbers comparably with be down.

 

[John park hopper]

But by doing that they will lose both ways...they want to reduce capacity but keep profit.

If you think adding potentially $200 a day for a family isn't going to stop some families affording it, I think you're living in cloud cuckoo land.

At present, their is big demand because of lockdowns...and come November it will get mentally busy once you start letting us Brits in...but in 12 months time once everything gets back to normality..and travelling back to USA is not a novelty....I do think numbers comparably with be down.

Time will tell--- hasn't been the trend so far

 

[Clamman73]

Disagree- increasing prices has not reduced attendance and that is not Disney's objective, if they really wanted to reduce attendance and thin out the crowds sell a reduced number of park tickets/day.

No shortage of people yesterday afternoon…people still paying up. 35 from there? Lol

 

[Thepuma]

No shortage of people yesterday afternoon…people still paying up. 35 from there? Lol
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I did say in the short term the parks would be busier than normal solely due to 1) Parks shutdown last year culling many holidays, so in effect MORE people going this year instead and 2) on 8th November Europe is being let in and expect MASSIVE crowds for the first 6 - 12 months as we have been stopped from visit for 2 years almost so soon you will have hundred of flights a day coming to Florida.

The only true test of the additional costs will be in 18 months the time when things are back to normal and the novelty of going back to Theme parks has died down...it is THEN that I think we will see slightly smaller numbers....with Disney off setting this against extra charges and it not affecting their bottom line.

 

[Thepuma]

Time will tell--- hasn't been the trend so far

Agree....I did state short term it would be busier, due to the novelty after pandemic and soon the US being open to Europe