Reservation expansion

DisneyHead123

Well-Known Member
You need hard data, and a sample size large enough to be meaningful to see how the system is functioning, and you don't get that from message board complaints from Veruca Salt wanna be's screaming to change it "NOW NOW NOW." You need some time to see what the system gets right, and what it doesn't. There is no need to rush that process. And if/when changes are made which may effect previously sold product, you need to time to either phase in changeover or figure out a refund policy. Again all things that take time.
I think the rush to change it is based on tanking customer satisfaction ratings with a looming recession. As many on here have noted, about the only thing that has really put a damper on park attendance are disasters (9/11, Covid) and economic downturns. Heading into a long period of possible stagflation and recession with what I've heard are historically low customer satisfaction ratings is not a good idea.
 

brettf22

Premium Member
He's basically saying if you read all his hints is that AP holders will be affected. Being a resort guest it's not going to be a big deal soon
That’s my take as well. Based on what @disneyglimpses has hinted, they want to make the process as frictionless as possible for resorts guests. Since he has stated a large portion of the 20K daily park pass problems are from resort guests, I’m guessing they are getting rid of park reservations for onsite guests.

And in the Newton’s Third Law portion of the program, that decrease in friction will come at the expense of AP holders (ones not staying on site, at least). This, plus the new 12pm/5pm reservation additions, probably means a decrease in the number of available rope drop reservation passes for APs.
 

crazy4disney

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
The “forced me to buy it” makes all the other words in this post irrelevant.
well as i have stated its awful but needed some rides you get to skip are better than none and ihave DAS as well... & when youhere insiders talk about limiting sales as well as Disney you have to buy now and not risk it later correct? yes none is "forcing " me to do anything but i forgot people like to take things literal on these boards sometimes and make idiotic statements like the rest of my post is irrelevant ......
 

crazy4disney

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
Yet you bought another pass? Seems like if I was annoyed by the direction of a company, I wouldn't waste hundreds on another pass.
again as ive said the system is terrible but needed and i have DAS and still would like to skip the lines ... yes i am part of the problem i know and have fully admitted that numerous times as well... but i will say this my daughter last week told me she truly doesnt want to go as badly as she did months ago... so very good chance Disney loses some of my money this trip to uni/seaworld and possibly other places to eat... funny was just sent a survey about my trip & voiced these concerns along w plenty of others
 

crazy4disney

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
Wait, so Disney implements a major software change, totally revamping the line skipping structure across its parks. They do so coming on the heals of the largest disruption in travel/attendance in the lifetime of the parks, and do so with limited to no beta testing. In fact they open up the system prior to international travel being fully re-opened further scewing the intial data. They do so in the last quarter of 21, and you somehow thinking waiting until they have some actual data to show how the system is working is refusing to do anything? I mean seriously the system has been in use for basically half a year. They haven't even gotten a full summer season of data to see how it is functioning, to see where there may be areas to improve it, and then implement those changes. And lets be honest parks are packed, attendance isn't suffering, and it doesn't appear future reservations are tanking. This isn't a life and safety issue that requires a snap decision, nor does it appear to be having large scale impacts to sales.

You need hard data, and a sample size large enough to be meaningful to see how the system is functioning, and you don't get that from message board complaints from Veruca Salt wanna be's screaming to change it "NOW NOW NOW." You need some time to see what the system gets right, and what it doesn't. There is no need to rush that process. And if/when changes are made which may effect previously sold product, you need to time to either phase in changeover or figure out a refund policy. Again all things that take time.
well its already been said the system will change so i would hope the new system has already been somewhat decided on and the IT is being looked out and ready to go & basically been said the only reason was because of the hassle of refunds that they dont want to make changes now... i was there in November about a month after it started w less people using genie and less people in park & it still was awful... & when comparing to what FP was its even worse...
 

crazy4disney

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
In all honesty that is really the only solution for any system they bring in. It needs to have limited availability.

Yes Genie+ doesn't work as planned but at the same time it makes no sense to bring back FP+ temporarily only to switch the new system. It makes things more complicated for guests when you keep changing rules.
so again comes back to basically charging an arm and leg for it like Uni does and then force everyone in standby basically & then as ive said we will see how much FP actually effected lines ... im a gambling man and willing to bet that if such system is introduced lines will still be long no matter what and you will have even more ticker off guests
 

crazy4disney

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
Of course…

“It’s awful! We won’t take it!!”
Also
“Here’s $1000 for my year of magic!!”
again i fully admit i am part of the problem by constantly going etc but they dont get me wasting extra money on rooms..im either staying value or renting points that basically gets me a deep discount... genie is terrible but still gets me to skip some lines during the day so for an extra 400 bux so be it im spending so much anyway... nature of the beast and they know it...
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
well as i have stated its awful but needed some rides you get to skip are better than none and ihave DAS as well... & when youhere insiders talk about limiting sales as well as Disney you have to buy now and not risk it later correct? yes none is "forcing " me to do anything but i forgot people like to take things literal on these boards sometimes and make idiotic statements like the rest of my post is irrelevant ......
No what I’m saying is once you buy, you yield your ability to question/modify the product. That’s not a “fun” or “easy” stance…but it’s logically correct.

So what would help? Is if annual passes go for sale, people don’t try to dive into the fiber optic cable with their credit card like Michael Phelps to buy them.

Show some adult level discipline.

When they release, sales should be “tepid”
Christmas parties? Tepid
10% price increases? Tepid.

I can tell you for 100% fact it will scare them into treating YOU better as they evaluate if they’ve killed their golden goose. That’s business.

But paying in a foot race kills us all. That’s also a long term guarantee. Whether you want to admit it or not for another ride on big Thunder mountain.
 

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
so again comes back to basically charging an arm and leg for it like Uni does and then force everyone in standby basically & then as ive said we will see how much FP actually effected lines ... im a gambling man and willing to bet that if such system is introduced lines will still be long no matter what and you will have even more ticker off guests
There isn't enough capacity and lines will be long. It doesn't matter what system they use lines will always be long. You can stamp your feet and yell till you blue in the face but the reality is the capacity issue isn't getting fixed anytime soon.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how big attendance is, they are still a theme park. Waiting in line is part of going.
 

crazy4disney

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
No what I’m saying is once you buy, you yield your ability to question/modify the product. That’s not a “fun” or “easy” stance…but it’s logically correct.

So what would help? Is if annual passes go for sale, people don’t try to dive into the fiber optic cable with their credit card like Michael Phelps to buy them.

Show some adult level discipline.

When they release, sales should be “tepid”
Christmas parties? Tepid
10% price increases? Tepid.

I can tell you for 100% fact it will scare them into treating YOU better as they evaluate if they’ve killed their golden goose. That’s business.

But paying in a foot race kills us all. That’s also a long term guarantee. Whether you want to admit it or not for another ride on big Thunder mountain.
again i have fully admitted i along with others who do the same are part of the problem.... but my November trip was fun but nowhere near the way it use to be yes covid restrictions caused some but when your daughter tells you daddy im not to excited 6 weeks out form a trip it says something & tbh if i didnt have my trip paid for and all my spending money purchased on target cards i seriously would have considered cancelling... but at this point im pot committed not to mention we usually go in November to avoid the summer heat so another reason to potentially cancel... like i said if my daughter said what she said sooner probably would have cxld.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
so again comes back to basically charging an arm and leg for it like Uni does and then force everyone in standby basically & then as ive said we will see how much FP actually effected lines ... im a gambling man and willing to bet that if such system is introduced lines will still be long no matter what and you will have even more ticker off guests
Iger let proper crowd management die through a series of upcharge and cost cutting measures. The problem is mathematics: can’t have 55,000,000 annual visitors when you’re built To handle 45-50 comfortably. And that’s what they did. Those decisions were made 2005-2015…and Slaphead is doubling down starting NOW.
 

crazy4disney

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
There isn't enough capacity and lines will be long. It doesn't matter what system they use lines will always be long. You can stamp your feet and yell till you blue in the face but the reality is the capacity issue isn't getting fixed anytime soon.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how big attendance is, they are still a theme park. Waiting in line is part of going.
im not denying that but people constantly blamed FP and made it sound like lines would be so much better w/o it & to me that is simply false & when you have gone years w/o having virtually any issues getting any top ride you want for your trip along w 2 others to start then being able to book thruout the day its tough to see how the system didnt work and buy into that crowd.... again im basing it on my experience which when it came to FP was great!
 

crazy4disney

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
Iger let people crowd management die through a series of upcharge and cost cutting measures. The problem is mathematics: can’t have 55,000,000 annual visitors when you’re built To handle 45-50 comfortably. And that’s what they did.
totally agree... the overlays vs additions crushed these parks & then add in the cancelled projects added downtimes to rides during the day created a bigger monster
 

dreday3

Well-Known Member
We are going again because we still want to. I may have complaints from time to time, but I can say for certain I've never stated "we aren't going back" because that would be lying.

I am not yet disillusioned to the point of no return. Even with park reservations and genie +.

But I am happy to receive some perks as a resort guest, so lay 'em on me! :D
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
We are going again because we still want to. I may have complaints from time to time, but I can say for certain I've never stated "we aren't going back" because that would be lying.

I am not yet disillusioned to the point of no return. Even with park reservations and genie +.

But I am happy to receive some perks as a resort guest, so lay 'em on me! :D
I was pretty pleased overall with my last trip…but it was somewhat to deal with duress at home and that was what it did.

I don’t know how I’ll feel down the road if what I think Disney is gonna do in Orlando comes to pass moving forward? We’ll see.
 

dreday3

Well-Known Member
I was pretty pleased overall with my last trip…but it was somewhat to deal with duress at home and that was what it did.

I don’t know how I’ll feel down the road if what I think Disney is gonna do in Orlando comes to pass moving forward? We’ll see.

And our last 2 trips weren't the greatest (we still enjoyed the parks), but that was because of family members that kept inviting themselves on our trips, but then decided not to have fun.

Next trip (hopefully we go) is back to the two of us, so we'll see if we get back on track!
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
What do you think they'll do?
Frankly: nothing.

And that’s the wrong move. Need much more capital expenditure…especially if there is a recession. Don’t make the same mistakes again. Build cheap and prepare for the crowds.

But chapek is a yutz…I was watching himself get self embarrassed in Paris just today…what a buffoon
 

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