That they are not allowing the guest in when the park is open. To read this otherwise would lead to a ludicrous outcome. “Oh, yeah, you can be admitted to magic kingdom any day you want, 5 minutes before closing. We’re honoring the contract!”
If their legal team feels that this is materially changing the terms, they will offer refunds in advance; as they did after COVID-19. As long as they do this, there is no lawsuit. Services change all the time.
In all honesty they probably wouldn't mind going that route. They probably want less AP holders anyway
I agree. I'm not even sure they will need to though. The current AP terms allow for a solid amount of flexibility:
No, there’re are a few material differences. With Covid they were no longer able to offer the service, so they offered refunds. Here, they are still able to offer the same service, and in fact are, to a different group of people so they can make more money. They can’t unilaterally breach a contract with one group to try to earn more money off a different group, consumer protection laws don’t work like that. They are absolutely going to get sued again, especially if they try this in California which has more consumer friendly regulations.
What do you mean? They offered refunds not because of the closures but because of Park Pass. They could've easily honored the original terms of the AP post-COVID. They chose not to. Besides, there is a ton of leeway in the current terms of the AP program that you agreed to:
There are yet another round of changes coming to the program. No clue what they landed on. It is possible they ride it out and grandfather people in to how things currently work but it would pretty messy to do so.
Honestly when they originally paused the pass after Covid I thought they were going to do that or price people out. They did neither and have problems now.
When the parks closed due to covid they offered refunds to everyone. The parks closing due to Covid was beyond their control and it happened to everyone, not just the “low profit” AP holders. When they reopened they had to develop the park pass system, for everyone, because of Covid. They didn’t start selling AP’s again until after the park pass system. The two situations are not at all analogous. They’re going to get sued for this for the same reason they would get sued if they told somebody holding a 10 day ticket halfway through their trip that they needed to cough up more money to go to the parks the last 5 days, or they can have a pro-rated refund. They’re breaching the contract.
I am unsure of what "contract" you are referring to. The terms and conditions of the program offer Disney significant flexibility and again, no one is going to push a lawsuit forward on the premise that a guest can't visit the Magic Kingdom the way they like when they were offered a full refund for an unused portion of their ticket.
No point in continuing to argue about it, we’ll see what happens if they do this.
I understand your frustration but there simply isn't precedence for this and there are no carve outs in the law for a consumer level subscription product like this (like there would be for an insurance contract). No one in California was offered a refund, that's the issue. Had they done that, there would be no lawsuit.
agree, if they are adding its fine, but if they start saying we cant come into epcot till after 2 or cant go here till after or before such and such time thats going to be a problem, this is all getting ridiculous and overly complicated. Disney better be careful, people are not happy with them anymore as it is. We have already bought sea world passes which are a slice of heaven compared to Disney turning everything into a legalistic down to the minute restricted mess. Really getting beyond irked, even more so now after reading chapekputin has been granted a 20 million dollar yearly bonus.
I think this is how I’m looking at it: (PLEASE NOTE that all numbers are completely made up for ease of conversation and should not be viewed any way other than that)
But as of now, you can always hop to MK or HS. With this in place, those parks could be unhoppable to a few weeks out, and definitely day of.
My guess is they will be similar to bonus reservations and added close to (or even on) the date rather than far in advance.
I suspect Afternoon Entry reservations may not have hopping privileges, but that's also just my guess.
sure glad they listened & got rid of all that FP planning bc its whats guests dislike
how does this help “unused capacity” and if it does wouldnt that only make parks more crowded that wouldnt be if this steers someone to a different park? Im genuinely confused here
