Reservation expansion

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
Right, exactly, that's what @castlecake2.0 is refuting. It's the other way around. There is no excess staff to cut right now. So IF they're doing anything at all besides just arbitrarily limiting attendance/making life difficult for guests (and that's a big IF) they're right-sizing guests to match available staff levels, not matching staff to guest levels.

I think that even pre-pandemic that there is zero way they would have actually been able to do the whole "match staffing to guest levels" thing with any real net benefit to their bottom line. It's a very complicated problem and system, and given their track record with how useless NextGen turned out to be, I don't think they could outperform whatever classic system of forecasting they have based on hotel occupancy and ticket sales to any useful degree.
Oh yes, that makes sense, WDW is already low on staff; many thousands laid off via email due to the pandemic. The park pass reservation system attempts to lower capacity to match the lower staff they currently have.

Does anyone think it’s working?
 

castlecake2.0

Well-Known Member
Oh yes, that makes sense, WDW is already low on staff; many thousands laid off via email due to the pandemic. The park pass reservation system attempts to lower capacity to match the lower staff they currently have.

Does anyone think it’s working?
Anytime someone can’t get a reservation for the park they want the reservation system is doing its job.

Side note when I clicked the link to this thread I was greeted with a pop up advertisement for WDW summer job fair with up to $1000 in hiring bonuses
 

bhg469

Well-Known Member
Sign on bonuses are trash. What’s 1k? Pay more per hour and people might show up.
This is 100% true.. It is also worth noting that Orlando is not dependent on the service industry anymore.. Sure it is still a HUGE segment and will never not be but there are a lot more jobs here that are not in a theme park or hotel.. My company (concrete and asphalt) is hiring like crazy for example.
 

matt9112

Well-Known Member
This is 100% true.. It is also worth noting that Orlando is not dependent on the service industry anymore.. Sure it is still a HUGE segment and will never not be but there are a lot more jobs here that are not in a theme park or hotel.. My company (concrete and asphalt) is hiring like crazy for example.

Yeah it’s insane to me that so many companies are thinking they have some level of leverage here still….they keep waiting for the pendulum to swing….is there some secret cohort of workers I don’t know about?

Treat people well and they will treat you well.
 

crazy4disney

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
Im not saying there are not other jobs and people have found them. But what can Disney be short when it comes to how many workers they need? I have no clue but you cant tell me offering higher wages cant convince people to work. NO way unemployment is zero down there and NO way there arent people across country willing to move that need to work& are able to just pick up and leave.
 

JD80

Well-Known Member
Im not saying there are not other jobs and people have found them. But what can Disney be short when it comes to how many workers they need? I have no clue but you cant tell me offering higher wages cant convince people to work. NO way unemployment is zero down there and NO way there arent people across country willing to move that need to work& are able to just pick up and leave.

Unemployment in Orlando is like 3% which is basically full employment.

No one is moving to WDW to work service jobs at $15-18/hr.
Any one who would move there for those jobs is going to have a hard time finding affordable housing.
 

crazy4disney

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
The problem with that is in order to take one of these lower wage jobs at WDW is that they cannot pay enough to live here. You have to live in squalor or with 4 other roommates if you do.
I live in NY and been on Wall St for 25 years. People living with roommates is not something that is related to Fla/Disney only. Ive seen and still do younger people who share apartments etc to save on costs.
 

crazy4disney

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
Hence why disney should be in the 20s by now. Lord knows there profit margins leave room for it.
I think wages should increase to get the parks at full capacity but in the same respect they cant start paying silly wages either but there needs to be a happy medium bc they have definitely lost the people who were diehards who would do anything to work for the Mouse…
 

bhg469

Well-Known Member
I live in NY and been on Wall St for 25 years. People living with roommates is not something that is related to Fla/Disney only. Ive seen and still do younger people who share apartments etc to save on costs.
Major metropolitan cities are one thing because the cost of living should be high and there is essentially no real estate. In orlando, there are no less than 5 apartments being built. None of them are worth 2300 a month, but they will be that much at least.
 

JD80

Well-Known Member
I live in NY and been on Wall St for 25 years. People living with roommates is not something that is related to Fla/Disney only. Ive seen and still do younger people who share apartments etc to save on costs.

Can you please clarify:
1) WDW cast members should have to accept living with multiple room and housemates?
2) WDW cast members should expect to live in squalor while working for Disney?
3) WDW cast members and their spouses with kids should expect to work multiple jobs to afford housing in WDW?
4) WDW cast members should expect to travel long distances to get to WDW for work.

All these things are pretty unacceptable for a working environment. Which is why Disney should raise their wages if they are having issues getting people in.
 

crazy4disney

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
Unemployment in Orlando is like 3% which is basically full employment.

No one is moving to WDW to work service jobs at $15-18/hr.
Any one who would move there for those jobs is going to have a hard time finding affordable housing.
Didnt realize it was that low where everyone living there was employed. Assuming surrounding areas are around the same? Either way i cant believe they cant find ways to pay higher wages than other similar places and basically poach other companies of their workers. Especially when it comes to restaurants etc.
 

crazy4disney

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
Can you please clarify:
1) WDW cast members should have to accept living with multiple room and housemates?
2) WDW cast members should expect to live in squalor while working for Disney?
3) WDW cast members and their spouses with kids should expect to work multiple jobs to afford housing in WDW?
4) WDW cast members should expect to travel long distances to get to WDW for work.

All these things are pretty unacceptable for a working environment. Which is why Disney should raise their wages if they are having issues getting people in.
Ive already stated numerous times on other posts that of the issue is wages they need to find a way to get people in. IE with higher wages initially.

Living with roommates as i said has been going on sincethe dawn of time so if it meanssaving money and sharing a place yes. Have you seen NYC rentsand how small apartments are that people share?

No one should expect to live likethat but the point im making is if the choice is not working and collecting nothing vs working and collecting something. Im working. Again i think wages need to increase but again its tricky bc how much are you really gonna want to overpay someone?
People have been working multiple jobs across the country for decades now. Nothing new nor isolated to Disney. I worked 2 jobs wheni 1st graduated and did so formany years even when i didnt “need” to.
Again not sure if you are familiar with NYC but i work with plenty of peopleduring my entire career andstillnow that travel 1-1.5 hours to work daily each way. So commute time is again not isolated to Disney.

Hopefully ive answered all your questions.
 

SteveAZee

Premium Member
Anytime someone can’t get a reservation for the park they want the reservation system is doing its job.

Side note when I clicked the link to this thread I was greeted with a pop up advertisement for WDW summer job fair with up to $1000 in hiring bonuses
That reminds me of a meme, "You aren't stuck in traffic, you are traffic."

Keep the park from becoming too crowded, but not until I'm already in it. :)
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
It's absolutely working but there are definitely unforeseen consequences of such a system.

Any idea if people are canceling vacation plans if they can't get the park reservations they want? Not that it seems to be a problem months out, this would be more last-minute planning.
 

Disney Glimpses

Well-Known Member
Any idea if people are canceling vacation plans if they can't get the park reservations they want? Not that it seems to be a problem months out, this would be more last-minute planning.
Unaware of this as a significant problem. Most people plan trips far in advance and heed the reservation requirement warnings. Last minute hotel reservations are more of an issue but a lot of those are DVC members who are aware of the system. I think the biggest issue is people vacationing in the Central FL area and visiting Disney on a whim or last minute decision who have no idea what's going on.
 

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