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Replacement for Tomorrowland Speedway?

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larryz

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I'm asking because Disney World's do not have on-board audio...which you stated as the problem for DL. Or do they, and I've just been completely unaware for the past 30 years?
When I'm riding MK's SM, there IS on-board audio -- it usually goes "ouch!" "damn!" "crap!" "my neck!" "never again!" and the like...
 

Jeffxz

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Not gonna lie; I spent way too much time that I should've been sleeping last night trying to puzzle out 220.
I'm not at my sharpest in the wee hours...

Here's my wild guess on 220.

The soarin expansion was named "Project 72" because each theater has 72 seats.

Are we looking at a "Project 220"? What attraction has 220 seats? Tiki Room maybe?
 

Absimilliard

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While Matterhorn and the Florida version of Space Mountain are similar coasters in many ways, they are by no means identical layouts. Also factor in that Matterhorn is partially outdoors and frequently wet even in dry weather as sleds drip water onto the track after the splashdown section.

To my knowledge, the Tokyo version of Space Mountain, which is essentially the same as the Anaheim version, has never been fully re-tracked, but its cars never had the onboard audio installed, either.
The Tokyo Disneyland Space Mountain got some track replacement and new cars back in 2007. It currently has 6-7 weeks of refurbishment every year and the whispers I hear is they are slowly working toward a full track replacement using those closure periods.

The best proof that track work has been done on Space Mountain there is in the Intamin reference list: what do you find among the 2007 projects? This entry: ROLLER COASTER DARK RIDE OLC JAPAN .
 

lazyboy97o

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Maybe we're just talking about two different things. When I read "needs to be torn down" and " needs to be rebuilt" that's exactly what I'm picturing. An entire leveling and starting over. Not modifications/repairs/improvements like most coasters get.
Ripping our and replacing whole chunks is much more significant than repairs. If you replace the first ⅓ of the track in Year 1, the second ⅓ in Year 2 and the last third in Year 3 you have completely replaced everything just as if you had torn it all down and started over.
 

21stamps

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When I'm riding MK's SM, there IS on-board audio -- it usually goes "ouch!" "damn!" "crap!" "my neck!" "never again!" and the like...
Umm..have you ever ridden an old wooden roller coaster? Or what about the Vortex?lol.
Seriously, my kid has maxed out- due to my insisting- at 6 consecutive times on that one.
I swear that I was in pain for 3 days after!

Disney World's Space Mountain feels like a brand new coaster to me after the experiences of what we ride all summer.lol
 

Absimilliard

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Regarding Tron Lightcycles, I am curious as to how Disney will deal with larger guests and disabled guests?



This picture from the prototype Vekoma Motorcycle Coaster show the restraint: you saddle the bike, press your chest against the right black pad and then pull the handles back. This cause the back rest to move down and you're good to go once its locked. At 6'3, 280 lbs, its a bit of a tight fit, but I was ok. Knowing the average WDW guest, I figure they will expand on the "TAV" cars present on the Shanghai Tron Lightcycles.

Two trains in Shanghai see their last car motorcycles replaced with standard seating and lap bar. Knowing the insane demand with guests requiring assistance or won't be able to get the back rest locked, will we see every train equipped with the TAV car at WDW? My friend shot this video of what the ride looks like from the TAV vehicle.

 

21stamps

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Regarding Tron Lightcycles, I am curious as to how Disney will deal with larger guests and disabled guests?



This picture from the prototype Vekoma Motorcycle Coaster show the restraint: you saddle the bike, press your chest against the right black pad and then pull the handles back. This cause the back rest to move down and you're good to go once its locked. At 6'3, 280 lbs, its a bit of a tight fit, but I was ok. Knowing the average WDW guest, I figure they will expand on the "TAV" cars present on the Shanghai Tron Lightcycles.

Two trains in Shanghai see their last car motorcycles replaced with standard seating and lap bar. Knowing the insane demand with guests requiring assistance or won't be able to get the back rest locked, will we see every train equipped with the TAV car at WDW? My friend shot this video of what the ride looks like from the TAV vehicle.

Whatever they do, I hope that it's not as problematic as what some people riding/attempting to ride are reporting. Or I hope that those people are just exaggerating..
 

yensidtlaw1969

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I'm more excited about the return of the Saturn V rocket to the top of Rocket Tower Plaza in this image than I am about Tron.
Don't get too excited, I just plucked the first piece of Tomorrowlamd concept art out of Google that showed an angle anywhere near sympathetic to the art for TRON in Shanghai. There's no weight to this art beyond what my grubby fingers could manage in about 10 minutes in Photoshop.
 

Absimilliard

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Whatever they do, I hope that it's not as problematic as what some people riding/attempting to ride are reporting. Or I hope that those people are just exaggerating..
I rode two other Motorcycle Coasters in the world and its as bad as they say. The green one in the picture is from when I rode the prototype in the Netherlands and I also rode the one at Chimelong Paradise in China. When I rode the one at Chimelong, I shivered when I though of the "pooh sized" WDW guests trying to cram themselves on it...
 

21stamps

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I rode two other Motorcycle Coasters in the world and its as bad as they say. The green one in the picture is from when I rode the prototype in the Netherlands and I also rode the one at Chimelong Paradise in China. When I rode the one at Chimelong, I shivered when I though of the "pooh sized" WDW guests trying to cram themselves on it...
Hmm. That's interesting. Thanks. Doesn't look like it would be as fun with normal seats. I guess we'll see what they come up with.
 

DisneyExpert

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It kind of looks like it's held together with yellow caution tape
I believe those are spray painted on and were meant to be the cut points when the refurb from a few years back was going to be a complete tear down and rebuild like Disneyland's was.

Obviously, that didn't wind up happening, and the Florida coaster has continued to limp along with added trim brakes to try to extend its life ever since. Hopefully a train doesn't jump the track and force their hand before they choose to fix it, like what happened at Disneyland.
 

21stamps

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I believe those are spray painted on and were meant to be the cut points when the refurb from a few years back was going to be a complete tear down and rebuild like Disneyland's was.

Obviously, that didn't wind up happening, and the Florida coaster has continued to limp along with added trim brakes to try to extend its life ever since. Hopefully a train doesn't jump the track and force their hand before they choose to fix it, like what happened at Disneyland.
What happened at Disneyland? I always read people here talk about it, but I don't remember any huge story.
 

DisneyExpert

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What happened at Disneyland? I always read people here talk about it, but I don't remember any huge story.
It was kept decently quiet. Others could probably provide better info, but I believe essentially a train either jumped the track or nearly did during testing one day due to a stress fracture caused by the maintenance issues that were running rampant at Disneyland at the time. The ride was immediately shut down, several months before it was originally scheduled to be closed for its refurbishment. It was already planned to have a total rebuild, but this forced their hand and work began much earlier than planned.

Disney was very fortunate that the issue occurred while the park was closed.
 
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RSoxNo1

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A few points to make without giving any major bombshells: any outdoor coaster or track would be required to shut down in the event of lightning or heavy rain within a certain radius if it were not covered. An E-ticket addition in the MK would make it much easier in allowing Space to go down for a rebuild in the future. And the Magic Kingdom needs more capacity, not less.
So Space is finally getting the refurb it needs... 4+ years from now.
 

Absimilliard

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What happened at Disneyland? I always read people here talk about it, but I don't remember any huge story.
The sound system and earthquakes damaged the structure so bad that one morning in 2003, the ride was a "delayed opening". Fast pass distribution started.. and then the word came out that poor Space Mountain was done. Structural issues were discovered and it pushed forward by a few months a planned refurbishment. Vekoma/Dynamic Attractions were obviously not ready yet to start track replacement, so the ride sat dormant a few months.
 
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