EPCOT Remy's Ratatouille Adventure coming to Epcot

[Surferboy567]

This rumor makes sense as they want people to come, especially now that park hopping is happening it won't be hard to reserve only at Epcot.

They specifically mentioned the reason for this was to draw locals and I am assuming more people to Festival of the Arts.

Again, it is just a rumor, grain of salt and all that.

 

[MisterPenguin]

On the latest episode of Disney Dish. It was mentioned that Rat could open “any day now”. Specifically, said was soft opens in January with a actual opening late February, early March.

The earlier they can open the better.

This is a rumor, please treat it as such grain of salt and all that. Seems likely in my opinion though.

Jim should know Disney doesn't do month-long soft openings.

 

[marni1971]

Yes, but they seemed suprised that it hadn’t opened yet. They even mentioned it could be open by the time they put the show up.

Nope.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Yes, but they seemed suprised that it hadn’t opened yet.

Which means Jim has no inside information. Insiders know what's happening, they aren't surprised by things (though they may find the rationale for decisions to be surprisingly opaque).

It would be best to just stop reposting Jim's suppositions, since they're not reliable inside information anymore.

 

[Surferboy567]

Which means Jim has no inside information. Insiders know what's happening, they aren't surprised by things (though they may find the rationale for decisions to be surprisingly opaque).

It would be best to just stop reposting Jim's suppositions, since they're not reliable inside information anymore.

Will do, didn’t think it was a bad thing to do as he has been brought up by others and even discussed. Never wanted to make people annoyed.

 

[Surferboy567]

Nope.

Thanks @marni1971! That squashes that rumor.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Rat isn’t THAT close to being open. But, yes...”soon”. I am thinking more toward Flower and Garden. At least wait until we are on the downslope of the current COVID surge!

 

[MisterPenguin]

Will do, didn’t think it was a bad thing to do as he has been brought up by others and even discussed. Never wanted to make people annoyed.

Well, he used to be reliable, but long ago.

As a Disney watcher, you can usually guess what Disney is going to do, especially if you're reading info from more reliable sources. Jim has, over time, proposed his presumptions and guesses as inside info more and more so. But good guessing will only get you so far.

Jim also hears things being discussed, but doesn't seem to be aware of how definite or spit-bally those things are. And if it's just spit-ball, those things rarely get re-discussed as "we looked at it and decided we aren't going to do it." And thus, Jim has kept certain rumors alive long after they've been definitively killed or tabled by Disney.

When you're not actively involved with Disney as an employee with them, or an employee of a contractor they use, you lose contacts over time.

I would imagine with the several employee purges that have happened recently, access to inside info will be become even more difficult for outsiders who once had an inside contact.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Well, he used to be reliable, but long ago.

As a Disney watcher, you can usually guess what Disney is going to do, especially if you're reading info from more reliable sources. Jim has, over time, proposed his presumptions and guesses as inside info more and more so. But good guessing will only get you so far.

Jim also hears things being discussed, but doesn't seem to be aware of how definite or spit-bally those things are. And if it's just spit-ball, those things rarely get re-discussed as "we looked at it and decided we aren't going to do it." And thus, Jim has kept certain rumors alive long after they've been definitively killed or tabled by Disney.

When you're not actively involved with Disney as an employee with them, or an employee of a contractor they use, you lose contacts over time.

I would imagine with the several employee purges that have happened recently, access to inside info will be become even more difficult for outsiders who once had an inside contact.

Almost entirely agree, except for him being reliable long ago.

My memory of him going back probably as far as the late-1990s was that there was always a sense that he made leaps of logic in his rumours and inside tales. That doesn't mean that he has never had any inside sources, but he always seemed like he was pulling together what information he had (which was often the equivalent of other 'insiders' that repost info from these boards today) and then trying to make good guesses to fill in the blanks.

Fair play to him for staying around this long and building quite a following. And, again, I'm sure he has had and may still have some decent inside sources over the years. He's never been exactly rigorous in reporting rumours, though, and I think his podcasts and articles (if he still writes them) are best viewed as entertainment.

 

[Surferboy567]

Well, he used to be reliable, but long ago.

As a Disney watcher, you can usually guess what Disney is going to do, especially if you're reading info from more reliable sources. Jim has, over time, proposed his presumptions and guesses as inside info more and more so. But good guessing will only get you so far.

Jim also hears things being discussed, but doesn't seem to be aware of how definite or spit-bally those things are. And if it's just spit-ball, those things rarely get re-discussed as "we looked at it and decided we aren't going to do it." And thus, Jim has kept certain rumors alive long after they've been definitively killed or tabled by Disney.

When you're not actively involved with Disney as an employee with them, or an employee of a contractor they use, you lose contacts over time.

I would imagine with the several employee purges that have happened recently, access to inside info will be become even more difficult for outsiders who once had an inside contact.

Almost entirely agree, except for him being reliable long ago.

My memory of him going back probably as far as the late-1990s was that there was always a sense that he took leaps of logic in his rumours and inside tales. That doesn't mean that he has never had any inside sources, but he always seemed like he was pulling together what information he had (which was often the equivalent of other 'insiders' that repost info from these boards today) and then trying to make good guesses to fill in the blanks.

Fair play to him for staying around this long and building quite a following. I think, though, his podcasts and articles (if he still writes them) are best viewed as entertainment.

I’ll keep this in mind going forward. Again, I never intended to make anyone annoyed.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

I’ll keep this in mind going forward. Again, I never intended to make anyone annoyed.

No worries at all! I'm certainly not annoyed and definitely wouldn't suggest to stop listening to Jim if you enjoy his podcasts. Just providing context and backing up what MisterPenguin was saying that his rumours may not be worth posting in the future.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I’ll keep this in mind going forward. Again, I never intended to make anyone annoyed.

Not annoyed. Just don't want newbies thinking that Jim's that reliable.

Saying "grain of salt" is what's said for almost all rumors, even from reliable insiders because Disney has been known to change their mind at the last second (or even a few weeks later, cf. Main Street Theater).

Jim's rumors just needs a different warning sign... like an eyeroll.

 

[Surferboy567]

Not annoyed. Just don't want newbies thinking that Jim's that reliable.

Saying "grain of salt" is what's said for almost all rumors, even from reliable insiders because Disney has been known to change their mind at the last second (or even a few weeks later, cf. Main Street Theater).

Jim's rumors just needs a different warning sign... like an eyeroll.

Got it! Yeah, I don’t want to spread misinformation on here. I’ve been on here long enough to know what that can do to a discussion.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Almost entirely agree, except for him being reliable long ago.

My memory of him going back probably as far as the late-1990s was that there was always a sense that he made leaps of logic in his rumours and inside tales. That doesn't mean that he has never had any inside sources, but he always seemed like he was pulling together what information he had (which was often the equivalent of other 'insiders' that repost info from these boards today) and then trying to make good guesses to fill in the blanks.

Fair play to him for staying around this long and building quite a following. And, again, I'm sure he has had and may still have some decent inside sources over the years. He's never been exactly rigorous in reporting rumours, though, and I think his podcasts and articles (if he still writes them) are best viewed as entertainment.

Agreed.

I’ve been around on message boards for... a long time now. Jim was always known (as far as I can remember) as the gossip columnist. He got the occasional thing correct, but mostly had weird info...

He was no Al Lutz.

 

[_caleb]

Agreed.

I’ve been around on message boards for... a long time now. Jim was always known (as far as I can remember) as the gossip columnist. He got the occasional thing correct, but mostly had weird info...

He was no Al Lutz.

JH’s “Why For?” articles used to work because he sort of channeled a Walt-esque storyteller’s tone and generally understood Disney values. But the values changed long ago, and he seems to have tried to be the next Al Lutz (instead becoming just another fan with an opinion like the rest of us).

 

[tirian]

Well, he used to be reliable, but long ago.

As a Disney watcher, you can usually guess what Disney is going to do, especially if you're reading info from more reliable sources. Jim has, over time, proposed his presumptions and guesses as inside info more and more so. But good guessing will only get you so far.

Jim also hears things being discussed, but doesn't seem to be aware of how definite or spit-bally those things are. And if it's just spit-ball, those things rarely get re-discussed as "we looked at it and decided we aren't going to do it." And thus, Jim has kept certain rumors alive long after they've been definitively killed or tabled by Disney.

When you're not actively involved with Disney as an employee with them, or an employee of a contractor they use, you lose contacts over time.

I would imagine with the several employee purges that have happened recently, access to inside info will be become even more difficult for outsiders who once had an inside contact.

Many of the open-secret sources — the ones who freely spoke to fans and didn’t hide their feelings — were laid off or retired. There’s no room for personal opinions that contradict the corporate IP mandates; everyone should always agree and be happy to do so. Anyone with a slightly different opinion is instantly a troublemaker and a threat to the mindlessly happy machine. This is Disney’s current corporate environment. This is a microcosm of a larger problem in society. Agree with the machine or else.

A chunk of those imagineers took the “or else” and formed their own consulting agencies. But even though their opinions are valid, they have limited access to internal gossip, and internet rumors have dried up or been wildly incorrect.

TBH, most of the rumors from those early days of Internet forums weren’t much more than cafeteria gossip anyway.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

Many of the open-secret sources — the ones who freely spoke to fans and didn’t hide their feelings — were laid off or retired. There’s no room for personal opinions that contradict the corporate IP mandates; everyone should always agree and be happy to do so. Anyone with a slightly different opinion is instantly a troublemaker and a threat to the mindlessly happy machine. This is Disney’s current corporate environment. This is a microcosm of a larger problem in society. Agree with the machine or else.

A chunk of those imagineers took the “or else” and formed their own consulting agencies. But even though their opinions are valid, they have limited access to internal gossip, and internet rumors have dried up or been wildly incorrect.

TBH, most of the rumors from those early days of Internet forums weren’t much more than cafeteria gossip anyway.

Sounds like another version of “cancel culture”- i.e. a win for no one.

 

[tirian]

Sounds like another version of “cancel culture”- i.e. a win for no one.

It is, but it’s not related to American political parties. I guess I should take this opportunity to shout, “I’M NOT BEING POLITICAL” before someone tags it or cries or complains or whatever.

 

[aladdin2007]

Many of the open-secret sources — the ones who freely spoke to fans and didn’t hide their feelings — were laid off or retired. There’s no room for personal opinions that contradict the corporate IP mandates; everyone should always agree and be happy to do so. Anyone with a slightly different opinion is instantly a troublemaker and a threat to the mindlessly happy machine. This is Disney’s current corporate environment. This is a microcosm of a larger problem in society. Agree with the machine or else.

A chunk of those imagineers took the “or else” and formed their own consulting agencies. But even though their opinions are valid, they have limited access to internal gossip, and internet rumors have dried up or been wildly incorrect.

TBH, most of the rumors from those early days of Internet forums weren’t much more than cafeteria gossip anyway.

after I read that the only thing that came to mind was Scientology, it really does sound like that is the form of mindset in the company today, others as well no doubt which is hugely concerning. I could say more but since this is a ratatouille thread I wont,,,,but you made interesting points.

 

[Crazydisneyfanluke]

Agreed.

I’ve been around on message boards for... a long time now. Jim was always known (as far as I can remember) as the gossip columnist. He got the occasional thing correct, but mostly had weird info...

He was no Al Lutz.

"A wrong clock is right twice a day" is the quote that comes to mind for Jim.