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News Reflections of Earth confirmed to be replaced by Harmonious

Chupaca Bruh

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It lines up better with the Swan Reserve restaurant.
 

Giss Neric

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Heard from some friends in upper managment that Epcot Forever will return later this year and do ~100 shows.

My bus driver buddy is still on furlough so i can't confirm with him yet. Take with a grain of salt.
I'll take whatever show as long as fireworks comes back. I assume it's safer to have Epcot be the first one since WS is huge and spread out than Cinderella's castle hub.
 

dreday3

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Heard from some friends in upper managment that Epcot Forever will return later this year and do ~100 shows.

My bus driver buddy is still on furlough so i can't confirm with him yet. Take with a grain of salt.

Just to speculate on this speculation - giving a number of around 100 - that could mean only a few shows a week?
 

junglecruise93

Active Member
Theory related to daytime fountain operation/music/etc.:

1) Taco Fountains will spray water continually all day. Individual country music loops will play during this time as usual.
2) Periodically, there will be a daytime fountain "show" synced to music (a'la the old Fountain of Nations show) with potential effects that would work in the daytime from Harmonious show elements (screens would probably be bright enough to use, some lighting). At this point the soundtrack for the show would take over the BGM loops around WS.
3) Numbers 1 and 2 above repeat all day on some type of schedule
4) Preshow begins for Harmonious with who knows what in terms of fountain use at 8:30
5) Harmonious show at 9 - perhaps daytime fountains will "extinguish" similar to torches as part of the preshow/show

**Maybe Number 2 would not happen immediately - but I could see it rather quickly created. Obviously I would not expect WDO to expose all of the "tricks" of Harmonious for the daytime show(s) - e.g. the swinging arms, etc. And things like lasers and projections, show lighting, etc. would probably only work at night anyways so there would be no way to 'spoil the surprises'.

Thoughts?
 

montyz81

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Theory related to daytime fountain operation/music/etc.:

1) Taco Fountains will spray water continually all day. Individual country music loops will play during this time as usual.
2) Periodically, there will be a daytime fountain "show" synced to music (a'la the old Fountain of Nations show) with potential effects that would work in the daytime from Harmonious show elements (screens would probably be bright enough to use, some lighting). At this point the soundtrack for the show would take over the BGM loops around WS.
3) Numbers 1 and 2 above repeat all day on some type of schedule
4) Preshow begins for Harmonious with who knows what in terms of fountain use at 8:30
5) Harmonious show at 9 - perhaps daytime fountains will "extinguish" similar to torches as part of the preshow/show

**Maybe Number 2 would not happen immediately - but I could see it rather quickly created. Obviously I would not expect WDO to expose all of the "tricks" of Harmonious for the daytime show(s) - e.g. the swinging arms, etc. And things like lasers and projections, show lighting, etc. would probably only work at night anyways so there would be no way to 'spoil the surprises'.

Thoughts?
The RoE torches are supposed to be apart of this show, no?
 

mnelson3

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Heard from some friends in upper managment that Epcot Forever will return later this year and do ~100 shows.

My bus driver buddy is still on furlough so i can't confirm with him yet. Take with a grain of salt.

Hmm, Well if EF returns in May... then about 100 days from then would bring us to August/September ish, then Harmonious will debut? Sounds like a possible time frame. Maybe a time frame that was planned before had covid not happened?
 
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Hmm, Well if EF returns in May... then about 100 days from then would bring us to August/September ish, then Harmonious will debut? Sounds like a possible time frame. Maybe a time frame that was planned before had covid not happened?
(Supposedly) they want to burn off the rest of the pyrotechnic stock, and there's enough for about 100 shows or so.

Again, take this with a grain of salt. I have no way of confirming if this is true or not.
 

Thelazer

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I'd assume they wouldn't burn it off, they would just insert it / replace / save money.. and use it in other shows or etc as they come back on line.... I mean, they clearly don't care about it "looking" good / right, just save money.
 

marni1971

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Hmm, Well if EF returns in May... then about 100 days from then would bring us to August/September ish, then Harmonious will debut? Sounds like a possible time frame. Maybe a time frame that was planned before had covid not happened?
Why May?
(Supposedly) they want to burn off the rest of the pyrotechnic stock, and there's enough for about 100 shows or so.

Again, take this with a grain of salt. I have no way of confirming if this is true or not.
There’s a lot of truth in that.
 

etc98

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Sometimes things like that trigger a sort of ‘something is off’ subconscious unbalanced perception, even if it’s not blindingly obvious.

But this... from center stage World Showcase Plaza... is pretty blindingly obvious. It may be less of an issue viewing from elsewhere around the lagoon, but that’s not saying much since so much of the show clearly plays directly to center stage as designed.
Maybe after World Celebration is complete there will be an off center viewing area to match the off center screens? So at least from the viewing area it won’t appear off center?
 

bcoachable

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I hate these things whole heartedly, but if the bases would go in the water say 6 feet then I think that would make all the difference in the world. They are way too tall and not designed properly. If the screen came down closer to the water level and became a fountain, I think it would be much better received. So this is 2021 Disney Design. So, we lose great Imagineers and gain straight out of internship ones?

This is what you get.
There are no interns around to blame this one on
 

junglecruise93

Active Member
Maybe after World Celebration is complete there will be an off center viewing area to match the off center screens? So at least from the viewing area it won’t appear off center?
Perhaps the design was purposeful based on the location of the barstool - which would have been “off-center” as well. Obviously this is where the highest paying benefactors would enjoy HM from, no?
 

dennis-in-ct

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I guess I am in the minority here by thinking Harmonius seems scaled correctly for the space. That said, I have not seen the barges in person and I might feel different.

For as much as I loved Illuninations, I always felt like the show got lost in the lake. It was not always so easy to get the best view from certain angles.

Harmonious looks like it’s gonna wow and be amazing. The complexity of the barges makes me super excited for the show.
 

Sir_Cliff

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For as much as I loved Illuninations, I always felt like the show got lost in the lake. It was not always so easy to get the best view from certain angles.
I would have thought that would be more of an issue with Harmonious, though. Illuminations relied mostly on pyro which is generally visible from everywhere, but there will surely always be blind spots for the screens?
 

UNCgolf

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I guess I am in the minority here by thinking Harmonius seems scaled correctly for the space. That said, I have not seen the barges in person and I might feel different.

For as much as I loved Illuninations, I always felt like the show got lost in the lake. It was not always so easy to get the best view from certain angles.

Harmonious looks like it’s gonna wow and be amazing. The complexity of the barges makes me super excited for the show.

I don't think the size of the barges themselves would be a problem if they weren't permanently installed.

I think the scale will be bad for the daytime fountains, but it will probably be fine for Harmonious.
 
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