News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[lazyboy97o]

Central Florida Tourism Oversight District is going to look really stupid on those Disney Springs trash cans.

That alone should be pretty strong evidence that there isn’t some secret back room deal that actually makes this all work in Disney’s favor. Right off the top it is committing the district to spending a bunch of money on something incredibly performative and useless. The legislation even gives the process two years because it is such a cumbersome process. A big part of why cities don’t like renaming things is because it’s so expensive and those funds would have a better use.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

A few things come to mind reading the last few pages.

1: A few posters, and most news stories are still stuck on the district dissolving and not the new law that redefines and takes control of the existing district. Bonus news stories that still do not understand how the district works.

2: Lots of posts about how the change will impact park project content. That misses the point, it’s how park projects will be impacted because of any Disney content, they don't need to be related. I suppose that Disney reducing the amount of park projects reduces the impact surface. There’s still basic operations impacts possible.

3: It was not long ago that Disney extended Bob C's contract and he was here for the long run then. Then, that completely changed. I’m not saying Disney is going to change and fight this vs being done, just that things change and we’re not going to know until we know.

Good points

 

[twilight mitsuk]

Central Florida Tourism Oversight District is going to look really stupid on those Disney Springs trash cans.

Just turn them over to Disney

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That alone should be pretty strong evidence that there isn’t some secret back room deal that actually makes this all work in Disney’s favor. Right off the top it is committing the district to spending a bunch of money on something incredibly performative and useless. The legislation even gives the process two years because it is such a cumbersome process. A big part of why cities don’t like renaming things is because it’s so expensive and those funds would have a better use.

See I don’t think so. For one: you have a really virulent (no pun) strain of carpet baggers in the political ranks now. They have no nuance/can’t negotiate their way out of a paper bag.

Second: Disney relationship with Florida has decayed a little over the years. That dates back to the Eisner era…there’s a resentment - unfounded - towards Disney that usually is based on false or mistaken premises. The reality is it’s kinda like a “college town” dynamic.

Central Fla exists Mainly due to Disney. There was nothing there prior and now it’s a money machine…but the locals don’t want to hear that.

If you’ve ever been involved in a big college town (as I have many moons ago)…it’s the same dynamic.

 

[peter11435]

A few things come to mind reading the last few pages.

1: A few posters, and most news stories are still stuck on the district dissolving and not the new law that redefines and takes control of the existing district. Bonus news stories that still do not understand how the district works.

2: Lots of posts about how the change will impact park project content. That misses the point, it’s how park projects will be impacted because of any Disney content, they don't need to be related. I suppose that Disney reducing the amount of park projects reduces the impact surface. There’s still basic operations impacts possible.

3: It was not long ago that Disney extended Bob C's contract and he was here for the long run then. Then, that completely changed. I’m not saying Disney is going to change and fight this vs being done, just that things change and we’re not going to know until we know.

Yep.

And people seem to not realize that it’s not just new projects that could get held up. Daily operations could be impacted. The district does routine inspections for fire safety, elevators, etc and will now have added responsibility and oversight in other areas. Not to mention water, sewage, chilled water, hot water, drainage, trash removal, gas, roadway maintenance…. Heck even an extensive amount of landscaping around the district is contracted and funded by the district

 

[peter11435]

Just turn them over to Disney

The district owns the garages. No reason to believe that the state would want to “turn them over to Disney” or that Disney would want to accept them.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yep.

And people seem to not realize that it’s not just new projects that could get held up. Daily operations could be impacted. The district does routine inspections for fire safety, elevators, etc and will now have added responsibility and oversight in other areas.

I’ll just go ahead and fill everyone in on how adding an extra layer or two of “oversight” plays…

It ain’t good.

But if you need reassuring…just know that the people that wrote this trash/are signing it has zero…nada…Nein! Idea what they’re dealing with.

This could and likely will cause massive changes to what Disney will build/operate.

So get ready for your after hours “experience” to go up a lot in price…enjoy mine train

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The district owns the garages. No reason to believe that the state would want to “turn them over to Disney” or that Disney would want to accept them.

Nothing stopping them from charging for them either

 

[SirLink]

Central Florida Tourism Oversight District is going to look really stupid on those Disney Springs trash cans.

Should of been called General Tourism Florida Oversight District ...

 

[lazyboy97o]

Just turn them over to Disney

The district owns the garages. No reason to believe that the state would want to “turn them over to Disney” or that Disney would want to accept them.

The legislation prohibits the district from making such changes. The time gap likely makes actually getting a transfer done doubtful. There would also be potential bond issues with trying to transfer the garages. As a last resort the new board could try to take them back with eminent domain.

At this point, if it’s not just Disney rolling over, it’s them waiting for the new layer of Big Government to overstep the bounds of the new law, which would likely be a straightforward legal challenge.

Waiting does not provide a more straightforward challenge. The district and its board have broad authority. There are all sorts of things they could do with a strong veneer of reasonableness within their powers and duties that would make it more difficult to identify as as a harm, especially one intrinsically linked to the new structure of the district. Realistically, at best, you’d be looking at isolated challenges to very specific actions that would only potentially overturn that specific action.

 

[peter11435]

Nothing stopping them from charging for them either

I’m not sure they actually could

 

[Tha Realest]

Waiting does not provide a more straightforward challenge. The district and its board have broad authority. There are all sorts of things they could do with a strong veneer of reasonableness within their powers and duties that would make it more difficult to identify as as a harm, especially one intrinsically linked to the new structure of the district. Realistically, at best, you’d be looking at isolated challenges to very specific actions that would only potentially overturn that specific action.

I agree with this. I also think the “hostility to Disney” stuff that would’ve been helpful in a First Amendment challenge to the law as a whole gets more attenuated when “the board” is acting on discrete things within its purview

 

[lazyboy97o]

I’m not sure they actually could

Unless it’s in the bonds, I’m not sure anything would stop them. I believe it was more a promise that parking would be free because there was an uproar over the district building the garages.

Adding parking fees to the garages would be an easy way to increase the burden on Disney while following their obligations. Reconfiguring the garages to collect a fee would be a huge expense largely carried by Disney but it could be done “to ensure the debts created by Disney are paid.” New expenses for not behaving but all well within the districts powers.

 

[JoeCamel]

It’s also just a waste of money to have to rebrand everything that’s basically doing the same job

Yep. The name change is just more proof that it’s less about oversight and constitutionality and more about blatant power grabs, silencing, and making an example of Disney.

The District should sue the state to cover the cost of all signage replacements

That alone should be pretty strong evidence that there isn’t some secret back room deal that actually makes this all work in Disney’s favor. Right off the top it is committing the district to spending a bunch of money on something incredibly performative and useless. The legislation even gives the process two years because it is such a cumbersome process. A big part of why cities don’t like renaming things is because it’s so expensive and those funds would have a better use.

The chair of the committee expressed concern for the cost of the name change and pegged it at $65M. Too late now

 

[peter11435]

Unless it’s in the bonds, I’m not sure anything would stop them. I believe it was more a promise that parking would be free because there was an uproar over the district building the garages.

Adding parking fees to the garages would be an easy way to increase the burden on Disney while following their obligations. Reconfiguring the garages to collect a fee would be a huge expense largely carried by Disney but it could be done “to ensure the debts created by Disney are paid.” New expenses for not behaving but all well within the districts powers.

Admittedly I haven’t read all 186 pages of the new bill. But I thought someone on here said that it removed the districts ability to levy tolls and I thought that might include parking fees. Like I said I wasn’t sure.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I figure the new gaggle of DeSantis donors who will serve on Big Government Panel would overstep their bounds quickly, but I guess you have a point about going at it piecemeal.

It depends on their competency. They might do something stupid like try to order Splash Mountain reopened , but that seems incredibly unlikely. Just to start they’re committed by law to spend money on changing the name and reviewing the districts standards, including the use of state standards. Those actions will just burn up money for no real purpose but they’re not good grounds for legal action. Just deciding to review safety compliance could be done in ways to cause serious operational difficulties but all under the guise of safety.

 

[mightynine]

It depends on their competency.

Uh-oh.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’m not sure they actually could

and that’s just a reality of the fun can of worms they’ve opened…

 

[NotCalledBob]

I believe the statement from Vahle was it…

Think ego Bob is gonna say something?

I assumed this was Disney's way of downplaying the issue.

Most casual observers reading the news would have no idea who Vahle is.

If Iger, had weighed in it would have made meatier headlines. Not in their favor.

Just a small regional change. Nothing to see here, move along.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I assumed this was Disney's way of downplaying the issue.

Most casual observers reading the news would have no idea who Vahle is.

If Iger, had weighed in it would have made meatier headlines. Not in their favor.

Just a small regional change. Nothing to see here, move along.

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