News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

sedati

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I’d love to see Disney adopt some form of “Woke” compliance system for Florida where content is delayed from release in the state as it self-determines whether or not any media complied with the State’s delicate and outdated sensibilities. The Mandalorian season three, Quantumania, and even ESPN could be held off. When a child tries to watch Encanto they are met with a screen telling them the content is under review. Staff the review board with a single part timer.
 

lazyboy97o

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I’d love to see Disney adopt some form of “Woke” compliance system for Florida where content is delayed from release in the state as it self-determines whether or not any media complied with the State’s delicate and outdated sensibilities. The Mandalorian season three, Quantumania, and even ESPN could be held off. When a child tries to watch Encanto they are met with a screen telling them the content is under review. Staff the review board with a single part timer.
I’m not sure that would be disagreeable to state leadership. It’s what some have sort of said they want and would parallel other current events.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I’m really baffled by this framing, which makes it seem as if Disney would have been doing something unreasonable or hotheaded by opposing arbitrary government interference.

Its as simple as “open war is not good for business”

And in case you hadn’t noticed… the company is under quite a bit of scrutiny from wall st right now.

You just reiterated for the world that your parks businesses is the money engine of your empire. Do you want to paint the picture to the world that the biggest portion of it is in a life n death battle?

Or do you want to project calm, continuity, and “we got this…”
 

LittleBuford

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Its as simple as “open war is not good for business”

And in case you hadn’t noticed… the company is under quite a bit of scrutiny from wall st right now.

You just reiterated for the world that your parks businesses is the money engine of your empire. Do you want to paint the picture to the world that the biggest portion of it is in a life n death battle?

Or do you want to project calm, continuity, and “we got this…”
I think this is a false dichotomy. Fighting an injustice and projecting calm levelheadedness are not mutually exclusive. Disney could have done both, and in my view (which I realise counts for nothing) should have.
 

Dranth

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You think he's crazy, some people don't.

That's the beauty of America. I don't think the next governor will make much of a difference from a Disney perspective. You may disagree with a political party/political person but they're all focused on money, so hurting Disney TOO bad is not in any of their best interests.
He's not crazy. He is catering to a particular base that now runs his side of the political aisle. That may help him in the primary, assuming he ever stands up to the other guy we know is running and who has been bashing Ron every last chance he gets. However, it is going to hurt him in the general if he makes it that far.
 

lazyboy97o

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He's not crazy. He is catering to a particular base that now runs his side of the political aisle. That may help him in the primary, assuming he ever stands up to the other guy we know is running and who has been bashing Ron every last chance he gets. However, it is going to hurt him in the general if he makes it that far.
I honestly don’t think this really hurts him. The District’s set and context are so misunderstood that I’m not sure it would be easy to make it too much of issue without getting stuck with the many misconceptions.
 

Kirby86

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Honestly Reedy Creek was always on borrowed time, throughout its history both parties at diffrent times tried to get rid or change the rules of the special district. DeSantis just happend to have a majority in the state congress to push this through.
Also I have a feeling on a guest side we're not going to notice much on our end of any changes.
 

LittleBuford

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Honestly Reedy Creek was always on borrowed time, throughout its history both parties at diffrent times tried to get rid or change the rules of the special district. DeSantis just happend to have a majority in the state congress to push this through.
Also I have a feeling on a guest side we're not going to notice much on our end of any changes.
It’s not so much what happened but why it happened that should concern us. If there have indeed been earlier attempts to get rid of or reorganise the district (I myself don’t know, but I’ll take your word for it), were they also motivated by an undisguised desire to punish Disney for exercising its legally enshrined First Amendment rights?
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I think this is a false dichotomy. Fighting an injustice and projecting calm levelheadedness are not mutually exclusive.

I didn’t say they are… and in case you didn’t notice I keep saying I think they are not done.

But there is a difference between declaring open war and calling for blood vs a conflict that is fought more discreetly.
 

peter11435

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Honestly Reedy Creek was always on borrowed time, throughout its history both parties at diffrent times tried to get rid or change the rules of the special district. DeSantis just happend to have a majority in the state congress to push this through.
Also I have a feeling on a guest side we're not going to notice much on our end of any changes.
None of those other times was the hostility towards reedy creek an attempt to silence Disney. And all of those other times the legislature determined that the current agreement was legal and beneficial to the state and any changes would not be in the states best interest
 

lazyboy97o

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Honestly Reedy Creek was always on borrowed time, throughout its history both parties at diffrent times tried to get rid or change the rules of the special district. DeSantis just happend to have a majority in the state congress to push this through.
Also I have a feeling on a guest side we're not going to notice much on our end of any changes.
Not really. The legislature did a study about 15 years ago to see what was involved. There was never serious effort to dissolve the district.
 

fgmnt

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Supposedly DeSantis only wants the press coverage and nothing else he or others have stated.
At the risk of getting zapped, I will just say that most of the governor's aggressive agenda on other things has actually been carried out rather expeditiously (?) and gleefully (?) by the state. That's why I think you are right to be skeptical that the state takeover of RCID would be an exception.
 

fgmnt

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It’s not so much what happened but why it happened that should concern us. If there have indeed been earlier attempts to get rid of or reorganise the district (I myself don’t know, but I’ll take your word for it), were they also motivated by an undisguised desire to punish Disney for exercising its legally enshrined First Amendment rights?

Exploration has been made in the past to make sure the state was getting the best deal they could commercially out of RCID. We are 424 pages into this thread + what is probably 50 pages or more of deleted posts, and no one has made a concrete and factual argument for the new law being a better deal for the state commercially.

(Fair play, maybe one of the cranks I have set to ignore actually bucked their habits of being cranks and did this, but I didn't see it)
 

Kirby86

Well-Known Member
It’s not so much what happened but why it happened that should concern us. If there have indeed been earlier attempts to get rid of or reorganise the district (I myself don’t know, but I’ll take your word for it), were they also motivated by an undisguised desire to punish Disney for exercising its legally enshrined First Amendment rights?
Oh I'm a little perturbed as for why it was done this time. It definitely comes off as a "welp Disney you're going to criticize us and our law after we let you open your park during the height of the pandemic? Fine say good bye complete autonomy."

And yeah there were always people who went isn't it odd that the Disney company has all these special privileges and no state oversight in their special district while other special districts still have to answer to the state. It was just never seriously followed through with because Disney was just building theme parks amd hotels.
 

LittleBuford

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I didn’t say they are… and in case you didn’t notice I keep saying I think they are not done.

But there is a difference between declaring open war and calling for blood vs a conflict that is fought more discreetly.
I wasn’t suggesting they should declare open war. Extreme rhetoric is always best avoided in such situations. But unlike you, I don’t see any reason to think they’re intending to fight this, discreetly or otherwise. Perhaps they are, in spite of the abject statement they issued. I’d love to be wrong.
 

celluloid

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If it potentially has a loss to the Execs bonuses, than you can bet the loss will go to the parks and effect guest experience.

Everything else that does this does.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Oh I'm a little perturbed as for why it was done this time. It definitely comes off as a "welp Disney you're going to criticize us and our law after we let you open your park during the height of the pandemic? Fine say good bye complete autonomy."

And yeah there were always people who went isn't it odd that the Disney company has all these special privileges and no state oversight in their special district while other special districts still have to answer to the state. It was just never seriously followed through with because Disney was just building theme parks amd hotels.
Reedy Creek Improvement District was not completely void of state oversight. It even enforced certain state regulations.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I’m really baffled by this framing, which makes it seem as if Disney would have been doing something unreasonable or hotheaded by opposing arbitrary government interference.
Not at all what it means. If Disney came out guns blazing and attacked this setup and the Governor in a statement as many people here would have wanted then they would escalate the conflict which is not good for business. That would be the opposite of cooler heads. This statement does the exact opposite. It tells everyone (shareholders, CMs, customers) that the sky is not falling, that WDW will still continue operating as usual and that they will work with the new district going forward. It has nothing to do with who is right or wrong and isn’t saying they won’t oppose future actions the new board takes.

I understand you and others here are disappointed Disney did not stand up against this. Based on principles alone they probably should fight it, but they are not viewing winning that argument as their top or only priority. Similar to how they worked back channels with the legislature to come up with a compromise (only to have it killed by the Governor) they are looking at playing the long game now too. Like it or not WDW is a significant piece of one of their most important segments and they can’t move it out of FL so they have to figure out how to make it work. I am not an insider so don’t know for sure what their thinking was, but I’m sure all options were on the table and then they determined the path they think will have the best outcome.
 

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