JohnD
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The bill is being heard in the House State Affairs Committee tomorrow at 2pm.
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News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District
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lazyboy97o
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At a minimum the District could use eminent domain to take assets back. I’d have to back and check but I think there’s further language regarding powers, etc. They seem to have actually listened to those who pointed out that the municipalities are a potential problem with any plan.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
But if the district doesn't exist, how can it take assets back?
lazyboy97o
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The ability of the District to dissolve itself is not certain due to issues such as the bonds. Even if that was the move, the legislation could just be amended to create a new district.
Disstevefan1
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No. My thinking is right now under RCID they are slow. Maybe under RCID they can extend permits at will, and projects can just drag on forever.
I am just speculating, Under the new district, permits will for sure take longer to get approved. This will increase the time and hassle to get permits and if the permit expires, they have to go through the process again, taking more time.
Maybe, just maybe, under the new district, once going through the hassle getting the permit, they will make a point to finish a project just to not have to go through the permit process again.
Universal Orlando seems to get things done in a timely manner so there is hope.
But having said that, the reality is, it will probably take longer for anything to get done under the new district simply because the new district is not in TWDC’s back pocket anymore.
Ayla
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Leave it to the media to focus on the wrong thing.As suggested by this CNN article, Disney has bigger problems to solve than what’s going on in Florida.
Disney has bigger problems than Ron DeSantis | CNN Business
Disney has found itself in the middle of a culture war battle that could end up transferring Disney World’s governance to a board appointed by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis. And that may be the least of Disney’s problems.amp.cnn.com
flynnibus
Premium Member
The tail don't wag the dog.
Permits like these are formalities and administrative overhead once the actual criteria stuff is done. It's not like the permits are some fleeting window of opportunity to get something. They are just administrative overhead. The 5% isn't going to force the 95% to change.
Phicinfan
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As someone who has worked for a company that has been.... Peltzed, he isn't all that, and in fact generally can be a waste of perfectly good oxygen.
TalkingHead
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The meeting will be broadcast on https://thefloridachannel.org/The bill is being heard in the House State Affairs Committee tomorrow at 2pm.
What about Universal's rare advantage in having Disney pay for part of their infrastructure?
You see, both Disney and Uni pay county taxes, but only one of them receives infrastructure services from the county... that would be Uni.
Disney pays for its own infrastructure thru the RCID. And it does so on top of paying county taxes (without receiving county infrastructure services).
Disney pays twice. By a lot.
So yes, there is an advantage that Disney gets... by paying for it.
The taxpayers of the counties aren't paying for Disney's infrastructure. But they are paying for Uni's infrastructure.
So, the advantage Disney has is that it can direct the agency (indirectly... but really directly) providing infrastructure. But Disney has to pay for it.
You know who else gets that deal? Universal.
In the new roads being built to support Epic Universe, Universal is paying for part of the project while the county (all its taxpayers and Disney) are paying for the other part of this project. In this way, Universal is getting to do what Disney does, namely, to direct the infrastructure it wants... by paying for it.
Getting back to this issue: There are basically 2 ways for Disney to go.
1. Sue in Federal court for violation of first amendment rights. If Disney wins, what would the remedy be, reversing the new Reedy Creek government structure? Would the Federal court rule in such a way, that a State has to reverse how it chooses to govern within its boundries. I am not an attorney or constitution expert so someone else will need to state their opinion if this is possible.
2. Sue in State court that the new Reedy Board violates the State constitution. Is their not enough vague language in what has been posted in this forum to give the court enough leeway to say nope, perfectly legal? Again, I will let those with more legal knowledge than me give an opinion on this.
Of course there is a third course of action, just accept and learn to work with new structure.
1. Sue in Federal court for violation of first amendment rights. If Disney wins, what would the remedy be, reversing the new Reedy Creek government structure? Would the Federal court rule in such a way, that a State has to reverse how it chooses to govern within its boundries. I am not an attorney or constitution expert so someone else will need to state their opinion if this is possible.
2. Sue in State court that the new Reedy Board violates the State constitution. Is their not enough vague language in what has been posted in this forum to give the court enough leeway to say nope, perfectly legal? Again, I will let those with more legal knowledge than me give an opinion on this.
Of course there is a third course of action, just accept and learn to work with new structure.
the_rich
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I dont agree with him or what he's doing. I was just saying it's legal.
JohnD
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Yep. Usually are.
kong1802
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I believe the basis for the suit would be that the actions were in violation of the 1st amendment, not necessarily the makeup of the board.
The makeup of the board would come into play as Disney would have to show why this is negative for them, but IMO that would be pretty easy to do.
They also have the tape.... All they have to do it seems is roll in the tv strapped to the rolling cart, press play, and rest their case.
GoofGoof
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WDW is very, very profitable for TWDC and we all know that better than most
That being said, Disney doesn’t make “super profits” from all of us from WDW because it has some unfair advantage over the competition by having RCID. RCID performs some very mundane tasks like sewer and water treatment, trash collection, electric supply and first responders. None of those areas is a key driver of profit and any cost savings would be a rounding error in Disney’s overall financials. I only point this out because it seems like there’s a narrative out there that somehow Disney is profiting greatly from RCID at the expensive of the government or other citizens and that’s really not true.Again what is the remedy? Violation of first amendment is a Federal violation. So you are stating the Federal court would than tell the State of Florida it must change the make up of the Reedy District board? Not saying there is not a case regarding violating first amendments rights, but that does not mean the Federal courts are going to tell the State of Florida it cannot change the board members. Is there an attorney in the room who has a legal opinion on this.
GoofGoof
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The major benefit is they maintain control over the quality of services vs what they would get if they relied on the local government for the same services (like Universal or their other competitors). For example Disney controls RCID EMTs and fire services. They have chosen not to charge a guest for an ambulance ride to the hospital and they will also give them a free ride back to WDW. If Orange county was in charge they wouldn’t have that option. Same goes for roads. If there’s a pot hole they get it fixed immediately. If Disney decides they want a new turning lane it’s built. No waiting around. The only financial benefit Disney gets from RCID is they can finance certain projects with municipal bonds like the parking garages. Disney has plenty of cash these days and can borrow at a much lower rate than 50 years ago so not a huge benefit but it was in the past, say the 1980s when they built EPCOT.
kong1802
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They will force Ron to do community service as Pooh. One day a week until his 500 hours are up.
lazyboy97o
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Federal courts tell states they can’t do things all the time. Florida is currently enjoined from enforcing the Stop WOKE Act by a federal court.
The Florida Constitution also protects speech. It also has clauses related to taxing authority and local control.
As an aside, Disneyland operates in a very regulated state, California. It sits in Orange County whose board has recently has been very confrontational. Yet, Disney has had little problems getting things passed for the improvement of Disneyland in recent years. I am not so sure that the change in the RCID will present this big problem for the future management of WDW.WDW is very, very profitable for TWDC and we all know that better than most