News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

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lewisc

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Disone said:
I believe it is time that the moderators ban you for campaigning on behalf of the state of Florida.

You disagree? I'm sorry that you disagree but on this news board you just need to go.

Slippery slope isn't?

Freedom of speech without retaliation is only important when the speech does not agree with your viewpoint.

It's exactly the same thing as Rhonda Santa's ;) enacting "oversight" laws because Disney dared to campaign against a law he supported.
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Educate yourself. The first amendment applies to government actions. This is a private message board. There isn’t any first amendment rights on this board, or any other private board
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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JAB said:
Who could have guessed when DeSantis said that silencing Disney's protected speech was "the most important thing" to him that Disney would use that to strengthen their lawsuit against him? Apparently not Ron.

At this point I'm starting to wonder if he really is that oblivious, or whether he's realized he's made a huge mistake but can't admit it without looking weak to his supporters so he's deliberately sabotaging his own case so he can walk back his attack on Disney while still pretending he wanted to fight but was stopped by "biased courts."
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Or maybe we take him at face value. That this is a true expression of his vision of governance. Why should we continue to make excuses to make him look better? Because we’re stuck to this idea that he has to be really smart and wouldn’t really do the very things he is doing?
 
Disone

Disone

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lewisc said:
Educate yourself. The first amendment applies to government actions. This is a private message board. There isn’t any first amendment rights on this board, or any other private board
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Well clearly the point flew over your head. I have no actual desire to have him banned. I'm well aware of what the intent behind the first amendment was but I was drawing a parallel. Try not to take things so literally. Maybe you'll be able to participate a little bit more meaningfully in this dialogue going forward.
 
el_super

el_super

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Dranth said:
Why did the very same law makers not come back later and strip the district when it became apparent that it was not going to happen?
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They didn't create the community that they used as justification for creating municipalities and special taxing districts. That wasn't a fact that was really known or understood until the late 1970s into the 1980s, and it was into the 1980s that Orange Country first threatened to have the district dissolved. Would a judge have ruled that it was enough to dissolve the district? We won't know because Disney paid off the county to leave them alone.


Dranth said:
So Disney was smart enough to know EPCOT wouldn't fly in it's original format but the state was too stupid? They still expected a city to be built or are you saying that both sides knew that tourists is what the whole thing was about?
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I'm sort of saying both. Disney continually told the legislature that they were going forward with EPCOT and there was no reason to believe they were lying about their intentions. Stupid doesn't seem like the right word, but naive... maybe. Even if Disney had gone through with the EPCOT plan, and built their own experimental government, it still would have primarily served to drive tourists to the area, and that was always going to be the real benefit of having an experimental city to the state and the surrounding communities. Saying EPCOT would be nothing more than a tourist attraction really was to everyone's benefit.
 
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GimpYancIent

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el_super said:
They didn't create the community that they used as justification for creating municipalities and special taxing districts. That wasn't a fact that was really known or understood until the late 1970s into the 1980s, and it was into the 1980s that Orange Country first threatened to have the district dissolved. Would a judge have ruled that it was enough to dissolve the district? We won't know because Disney paid off the county to leave them alone.




I'm sort of saying both. Disney continually told the legislature that they were going forward with EPCOT and there was no reason to believe they were lying about their intentions. Stupid doesn't seem like the right word, but naive... maybe. Even if Disney had gone through with the EPCOT plan, and built their own experimental government, it still would have primarily served to drive tourists to the area, and that was always going to be the real benefit of having an experimental city to the state and the surrounding communities. Saying EPCOT would be nothing more than a tourist attraction really was to everyone's benefit.
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You are right!
 
MrPromey

MrPromey

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Disone said:
I believe it is time that the moderators ban you for campaigning on behalf of the state of Florida.

You disagree? I'm sorry that you disagree but on this news board you just need to go.

Slippery slope isn't?

Freedom of speech without retaliation is only important when the speech does not agree with your viewpoint.

It's exactly the same thing as Rhonda Santa's ;) enacting "oversight" laws because Disney dared to campaign against a law he supported.
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Only difference here is Steve is free to boot anyone from this board for any reason he deems, including waking up in a bad mood one day and feeling like taking it out on a random person. It's his site - his fiefdom and none of us have any rights here beyond what he explicitly grants us.

The state government and our Governor do not own us, though. They do not grant us first amendment rights. It is, so far, universally agreed that those rights are "inalienable" when it comes to government, therefore, those rights are not theirs to take away or stifle.

Which is why what is happening is much, much worse than even your example illustrates.

I know you get it but some people, for some reason, don't. 🤷‍♂️
 
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JAB

JAB

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lazyboy97o said:
Or maybe we take him at face value. That this is a true expression of his vision of governance. Why should we continue to make excuses to make him look better? Because we’re stuck to this idea that he has to be really smart and wouldn’t really do the very things he is doing?
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I think you misread my intent. I wasn't trying to "excuse" him, or make him "look better," and I don't necessarily hold any belief that he's "smart." It's just that, given he's currently being sued for violating the first amendment, his latest statements are so mind-bogglingly, obliviously stupid that it's almost too hard to believe, so I was just pondering what other explanations there might possibly be.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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lazyboy97o said:
Or maybe we take him at face value. That this is a true expression of his vision of governance. Why should we continue to make excuses to make him look better? Because we’re stuck to this idea that he has to be really smart and wouldn’t really do the very things he is doing?
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This is what I was saying. It looks to me like he believes he should be allowed to punish Disney this way and doesn’t think he should have to hide it. He’s not hiding it because he doesn’t think there’s anything to hide, he is right. So while his supporters desperately cling to the narrative that RCID was flawed since day 1 and was a problem that needed to be dealt with in order to justify his actions he is not saying that himself. He doesn’t believe Disney or any other company/person has a right to free speech if that speech opposes him. He’s telling us he is speaking for the people and since he was re-elected that means whatever he does is in the name of the people.

My guess is there are some people who support all of this at least privately but many won’t do it publicly. Seems like most other authoritarian leaders throughout history.
 
GrumpyFan

GrumpyFan

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ParentsOf4 said:
DeSantis’ public statements are not stupid; they are calculated.

It comes down to a simple question: Would DeSantis rather win the Republican Primary or the Disney lawsuit?

NBC News covers his strategy in this May 8 article: Ron DeSantis bets big on his Disney feud

DeSantis cannot win the general if he doesn't win the primary, meaning he has to appeal to those "Ultra MAGA Republicans" President Biden rails against.

Earlier this year when it looked like Disney was just going to roll over and let DeSantis have his way, there was a view among some that this was bad for DeSantis. A victory in early 2023 is quickly forgotten by primary season.

By fighting back, Disney might very well be helping DeSantis among those he needs the most.

According to the previously mentioned NBC News article, three different surveys all say the same thing: Republicans are siding with DeSantis.

DeSantis doesn't particularly care who controls Disney. He just needs to keep the lawsuit alive through primary season.
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It seems a very risky political move, if true, and I hate it.
 

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