Then Disney Cruise Line will end up killing the 3 night Caribbean cruise. Which is very popular. Won't happen.
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Then Disney Cruise Line will end up killing the 3 night Caribbean cruise. Which is very popular. Won't happen.
Vegas Disney Fan
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The hotel tax credit was a pretty expensive debacle for Disney, tying minimum wage increases to an already approved project resulted in the project being cancelled after they’d already cancelled leases and spent millions on designs.
There’s challenges everywhere, you can’t run away from bureaucracy.
2 years ago FL looked like the perfect business state, now look at what they’re dealing with, moving doesn’t guarantee anything.
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You may not know this: But all of "Southern Georgia" is not one small suburban village build on marshland which doesn't even have a port.
If cruises out of the Ports of Houston and New Orleans were so attractive, there'd be a ship there pretty much year round. There's not.
Quite literally, nobody has even suggested Disney wants to do that. What has been suggested and discussed is how Disney could react to a state becoming hostile beyond a breaking point to the company. Disney wanting to operate in a state that is not actively hostile to them isn't some stretch of imagination and doesn't matter if it's Red, Blue, Purple, or Chartreuse for that matter.
I think a more likely move would be to replace the state leadership. Not some nefarious action to literally replace them overnight, but an active campaign to support and help replacements in government while hurting the chances of the current state government to get reelected.
The fight today is a skirmish. It's not the war. All of the actions we see Disney taking, even the federal lawsuit, are measured responses to the threat the new RCID board poses. Just like the development agreement and covenants were a measured response to the district being dissolved or a new board taking control of it.
Disney has the resources of a multi national mega corporation and multiple media outlets that can be leveraged directly against a political figure to show them in a bad light. That can be leveraged indirectly though pacs and supporting outside organizations to support a candidate. For that matter, they can do research and searches to find candidates. None of that is guarantee that their choice will win, but it's one huge thumb on the scale pushing an outcome.
Compared to the cost of trying to move out of FL, the cost to change who is governing the state is probably cheap. Who knows, maybe it's $17B over 10 years.
I don't think Disney is ready for that type of action yet. But, if all else fails and that is all they are left with, that's what I would expect.
Clearly, some of us would prefer they just jumped to the end and did this now. Disney however is not in any rush and seems to be content to mitigate each individual issue as it arises instead.
networkpro
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A little further North of what the OP was referring to. IMHO they were referring to the St Mary's Estuary with would be off limits due to a small but important Naval Base, Kings Bay which is home to Trident ICBM carrying submarines.
Seems like GA not really interested in the general idea
lazyboy97o
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The wage issue was the result of a referendum. Even a pro-Disney council would have had to deal with that result.
What a sight that would probably never happen. A guest with a balcony stateroom taking a video of a Trident submarine surfacing next to the Magic.
That's a VIP upcharge. It includes a cupcake too.
Vegas Disney Fan
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Which is a good example of how moving doesn’t guarantee anything, even if the government is friendly the voters can still muck things up.
I’m not arguing blue/red is better/worse, just saying moving somewhere for greener pastures is not a realistic solution because things change. FL was a very business friendly state, still is if you aren’t on the Governors bad side, but nothings guaranteed.
flynnibus
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Yes, actual Votes decide elections - But the problem here is not the election, but people taking election results to mean support for something completely different and on top of that misrepresent what the election results actually represent.
Elizabeth Swann
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I think @lentesta had a chart
GoofGoof
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I think you are missing the point which I guess is my fault for not being clear. This is not a debate on what will or won’t happen. In a more extreme example, if the Governor won and just flat out banned Disney from operating in the state (forget about arguing the legality of that, it’s a hypothetical) the WDW assets would be an almost total loss. It would cost more to move most of the stuff than just start over new somewhere else. The cruise business could be moved. They wouldn’t just abandon the ships and bankrupt the business line. Would it be easy? No. Would it be more profitable? No. But if they had to do it having the ships somewhere else and giving up the 3 night cruise is better than nothing.
Fordlover
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I'm sure you know this since you seem well versed on the cruising world, but the cruise terminal is technically in Galveston, not Houston. I've long since wished Disney would put a boat here, but clearly they know it makes more money elsewhere. For me it means I'll never take the family on a Disney cruise, because I have zero interest flying to/from a cruise ship, when we have decent alternatives a quick car ride away.
Goofy with a hand crank drill and an auger bit on the bottom deck of each ship. Perhaps Donald duck in a sailor outfit. Obviously.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
They already cruise from ports outside of FL. It’s not an idea. Nobody is suggesting they want to move the cruise business or will look to move. It was a very simple concept that if they had to they could move it. They cannot move WDW.
MrPromey
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i only discuss it because our Governor likes to publicly make statements about his actions being the will of the people of Florida and how Disney attempting to defend their own interests and rights is somehow putting their thumb in the eyes of the people of Florida.
I don’t think most of the people in this state are paying close enough attention to even understand what’s going on.
And plenty that do don’t agree with him on what he is doing here.
… Contrary to how certain people want to spin it.
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Some are different. Many fellow guests I met cruising on the Wonder flew in from many states into MCO a week, days or the night before boarding the ship in FL.
Every single thing he has stated about this has been a total lie, not just stretching the truth.