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[MrPromey]

But those who got off their behinds and voted did...and that is what counts. That is who you want to appeal to. The ones likely to vote...

Let me add in a disclaimer that this post doesn't endorse what he has done before someone has a meltdown.

You were saying appealing to >51% of your voters and in this case, nearly half of voters didn't actually vote.

Intentional or not, it supports the lie he likes to spout about the will of the people.

Not trying to call you out but this guy being popular in our state is a myth.

I don't think it's that unusual at state and federal level elections for things to play out similarly but when someone tries to sell it as a blank check to do whatever they want by saying it's what I and every other constituent wants, I feel compelled to call BS.

For what it's worth, I've seen major party leaders on both sides famously tote that or the "mandate" line multiple times over the last 15-20 years and it drives me crazy when any of them pull that.

It's a lie, plain and simple.

While to many in the public, that may seem like a simple error in judgement/words and calling it a lie may sound harsh, these guys follow the numbers enough to be critically aware of the truth.

It's no accident or misstatement - they know full well they're lying when the say it.

 

[mkt]

Succeeding in politics is about playing to the crowd, and appealing to >51% of your voters.

Fewer than 35% of the state's voters actually voted for him.

 

[mkt]

Not trying to call you out but this guy being popular in our state is a myth.

Wait... we live in the same state?!

(also, agree entirely)

 

[WDWHero]

This isn’t exactly new, but in light of Disney’s recently filed federal lawsuit and DeSantis now likely trying to separate the actions of the legislature from his own as a defense… this quote seems particularly problematic for him.

Blaise Ingoglia (Florida Senate) “I know this governor and I know this governor well. I have a couple words for Disney, you are not going to win this fight. This governor will.”

Not a good look.

Sounds like a cult

 

[GoofGoof]

Agreed. But some in this thread seem convinced it is a realistic possibility.

I haven’t seen a single post where anyone here said Disney only wants to invest in solidly blue states except yours.

 

[Andrew C]

You were saying appealing to >51% of your voters and in this case, most voters didn't actually vote.

Intentional or not, it supports the lie he likes to spout about the will of the people.

Not trying to call you out but this guy being popular in our state is a myth.

I don't think it's that unusual at state and federal level elections for things to play out similarly but when someone tries to sell it as a blank check to do whatever they want by saying it's what I and every other constituent wants I feel compelled to call BS.

For what it's worth, I've seen major party leaders tote that or the "mandate" line multiple times over the last 15-20 year and it drives me crazy when any of them try to pull that.

It's a lie, plain and simple.

I agree that the mandate line is overused by politicians...and is BS.

 

[MrPromey]

You're aware that isn't even the topic that the posts were about, right?

and I was about to ask if he was aware that 9 out of 10 dentists recommend Colgate.

He deleted before I could so I think he just got caught up in the moment.

I take that as a retraction and I can respect him for that while still having a little fun.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

You're aware that isn't even the topic that the posts were about, right?

It also avoids the fact that it was supported under the “protect the children” guise and the bigoted law has now expanded from K-12. Aside from other bigoted legislation being passed daily by this legislature

 

[mkt]

and I was about to ask if he was aware that 9 out of 10 dentists recommend Colgate.

Just like Viva Variety Brand Cigarettes are the only cigarette endorsed by the Heart and Lung Association of the Philippines.

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

Maintaining the status quo at WDW isn't neglect. They just wouldn't expand.

That's Disney's other potential power move: jobs.

DCL doesn't need Florida: it needs a port. I am beyond certain that there are plenty of cruise ports that could offer Disney a better deal than Florida's have.

And as far as the part you ignored, I can also imagine Disney allowing white collar professionals to go remote from anywhere they want.

You don't think DCL needs Florida? What major cruise line doesn't use Florida as its major east coast hub? Sure some cruises go out of Bayonne NJ, and some go out of Boston, but those are minor compared to the ports in Florida.

 

[mkt]

You don't think DCL needs Florida? What major cruise line doesn't use Florida as its major east coast hub? Sure some cruises go out of Bayonne NJ, and some go out of Boston, but those are minor compared to the ports in Florida.

Let me rephrase.

DCL doesn't need Florida as much as Florida needs Disney.

Also, I provided options in previous replies: remember, cruises aren't limited to one country.

 

[networkpro]

Because they don’t want them?

No Cruise Ships For Savannah

Savannah will have to investigate other ways of boosting tourism now that the city is abandoning its interest in cruise ships. City officials voted down another study into a cruise terminal after four years of work.

www.gpb.org

It's more like there isn't enough support from the state for it as the river already has a lot of traffic on it. The port of Savannah (run by a state entity, the Georgia Ports Authority) is currently the 2nd busiest on the East Coast. Given the issues with California and state internal combustion engine regulations, I can see more freight bypassing the West Coast and going through the expanded Panama Canal to East Coast ports very soon.

 

[Dranth]

It also avoids the fact that it was supported under the “protect the children” guise and the bigoted law has now expanded from K-12. Aside from other bigoted legislation being passed daily by this legislature

Everyone knows they need to be protected from discussing gender. Sure, some of those "children" can join the military, purchase a home, get married, vote, drive cars, etc., but at least they never had to hear anyone discuss a same sex couple in a controlled and safe environment.

 

[Fordlover]

You're aware that the overwhelming majority of voters in the state of Florida did not vote to keep him in office, right?

You may have a fundamental misunderstanding of how our elections work. Votes cast is what matters.

 

[afterabme]

Cruise wise, outside of Florida, there aren’t many ports that can the type of ships and as many ships as Florida’s can. Sure, you have the NY/NJ ports, but the seas are always rougher from there going south.

Add in distance to destination ports, with Florida the ships are pretty close to all parts of the Caribbean. From other ports it is a longer and more expensive transit to those places.

Other alternatives include NOLA and Houston, which Disney already sails out of, but are still far away.

Cruises are one area where Florida has a natural advantage from established ports, airports(its 10 minutes from FLL to Port Everglades) and infrastructure to geography.

 

[WDWHero]

You may have a fundamental misunderstanding of how our elections work. Votes cast is what matters.

I’d say apathy should count as some sort of reflection of the registered voting population as well. Which hardly turned out in 2022 because the choices sucked.

 

[Tha Realest]

Cruise wise, outside of Florida, there aren’t many ports that can the type of ships and as many ships as Florida’s can. Sure, you have the NY/NJ ports, but the seas are always rougher from there going south.

Add in distance to destination ports, with Florida the ships are pretty close to all parts of the Caribbean. From other ports it is a longer and more expensive transit to those places.

Other alternatives include NOLA and Houston, which Disney already sails out of, but are still far away.

Cruises are one area where Florida has a natural advantage from established ports, airports(its 10 minutes from FLL to Port Everglades) and infrastructure to geography.

Shhhh. The solution is simple. The Georgia government will build a deep water port in south Georgia, somehow, and in the meantime DCL will move all its cruises to Europe and Asia. Read the last few pages and those are the alternatives offered.

 

[LAKid53]

Yes, but they are also testing Australia this year and added capacity in Europe. Additionally their already announced plan to move into Asia.

1. Highly unlikely Australia will be year around.
2. Europe isn't year round cruising for DCL.
3. They will have a ship dedicated to Asia - the partially completed one that is now being turned into a Disney ship.

Currently the only port that does year round cruising is Port Canaveral. The Magic was used for the European cruises. The Dream will now go to Europe and the Magic will be sailing out of Miami once it is out of dry dock. The Wonder is used on the West Coast - California coastline, Alaska cruise season and a few Hawaiian cruises.

Once the terminal at Port Everglades is completed, the Magic will be moved up there. The Treasure may be stationed there. Or perhaps the Fantasy will be moved down to Port Everglades and two of the three Tritan class ships will sail out of Port Canaveral.

Those 3 night cruises are very popular. Moving their departure port to one outside Florida will both increase the cost of the Caribbean sailing and most likely see the end of the 3 nighters. The ships that sail in the Caribbean have to stop at Nassau - that's the agreement with the Bahamian government. Disney isn't going to negatively impact itineraries that include one of its most popular ports, if not THE most popular port - Castaway Cay.

 

[GoofGoof]

Cruise wise, outside of Florida, there aren’t many ports that can the type of ships and as many ships as Florida’s can. Sure, you have the NY/NJ ports, but the seas are always rougher from there going south.

Add in distance to destination ports, with Florida the ships are pretty close to all parts of the Caribbean. From other ports it is a longer and more expensive transit to those places.

Other alternatives include NOLA and Houston, which Disney already sails out of, but are still far away.

Cruises are one area where Florida has a natural advantage from established ports, airports(its 10 minutes from FLL to Port Everglades) and infrastructure to geography.

Exactly my point. It would not be ideal but it’s still possible. The fact that they already cruise out of other ports not in FL is proof that it’s possible. Nobody is saying they are preferable to FL or cheaper or better and nobody is saying that is happening just that if the state puts a gun to their head and makes it bad enough that they don’t want to do business there anymore that’s part of the business that could be moved. WDW is virtually impossible to move. You could move some rides and rebuild resorts somewhere else but it would be a near total loss and would cost more to move than just build new.

 

[Fordlover]

I haven’t seen a single post where anyone here said Disney only wants to invest in solidly blue states except yours.

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I said IF... "...If Disney only wants to invest in solidly Blue states, that will pose some challenges." I never said they did, just opined that if it became a desire, it would be difficult.