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[GrumpyFan]

I disagree on the first part.

Disney could easily move more sailings to Charleston or San Juan, both of which would likely welcome Disney with open arms. Hell, hypothetically, DCL from Savvanah feeding to/from Disney's Hilton Head resort could be an interesting tie up.

I don't know about "easily", but they probably could look at adding additional sailings outside of Florida ports.
Question is whether those moved sailings would generate the same profit. My gut says "no". I don't think those sell out as much as the ones in Florida, plus the cost of fuel to sail to their usual spots is going to be more expensive. Not sure it would be a win for them.

 

[mkt]

I don't know about "easily", but they probably could look at adding additional sailings outside of Florida.
Question is whether those moved sailings would generate the same profit. My gut says "no". I don't think those sell out as much as the ones in Florida, plus the cost of fuel to sail to their usual spots is going to be more expensive. Not sure it would be a win for them.

Pull it out of their GR/PR budgets to show actual damage being done to Florida's economy as a result of DeSantis's and the legislature's actions?

 

[Fordlover]

If the policy is to ignore the issues faced by your constituents in favor of playing political games then sure… that’s it.

Succeeding in politics is about playing to the crowd, and appealing to >51% of your voters.

 

[EeyoreFan#24]

I think Disney as a whole would lose more money with a move out of Port Canaveral than DCL would gain from moving to a “friendlier” port. I agree the sailings might still be full, but those wdw tie-ins arnt chump change for the company. At least from what I can tell.

 

[peter11435]

That's the dream.

It doesn’t have to be a dream…

 

[GrumpyFan]

 

[Tha Realest]

I think Disney as a whole would lose more money with a move out of Port Canaveral than DCL would gain from moving to a “friendlier” port. I agree the sailings might still be full, but those wdw tie-ins arnt chump change for the company. At least from what I can tell.

I’ve been looking at Charleston, Savannah, NC - I just don’t see how those ports (and the surrounding areas) have anywhere near the infrastructure (interstates, airports, et let alone space and routes) to meaningfully siphon off any substantial business from the central to south Florida cruise operations. It really feels as fantastical as the notion of packing up the entirety of WDW and moving it to NC.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Posters are talking about eminent domain and affordable housing.

How much of that is behind FW to DVC project. Harder and more expensive to acquire

I don’t think it’s a consideration. They’ve already been on the DVC conversion train for years.

 

[Surferboy567]

Source: Blog Mickey

Does this even matter? Since there are two lawsuits on this issue. What is the point here?

EDIT: Disney can also add this to their lawsuit.

 

[EeyoreFan#24]

We’re also assuming the ports want the business. For example there have been public studies and Savannah / Georgia Ports don’t want cruise ships. It’s one of the largest cargo ports in the US and only getting bigger. Cruise ships and their fees don’t do nearly as well.

 

[mkt]

I’ve been looking at Charleston, Savannah, NC - I just don’t see how those ports (and the surrounding areas) have anywhere near the infrastructure (interstates, airports, et let alone space and routes) to meaningfully siphon off any substantial business from the central to south Florida cruise operations. It really feels as fantastical as the notion of packing up the entirety of WDW and moving it to NC.

With cruises you have assets that you can literally move almost anywhere on the planet, not just the US.

So put one boat in the 6th busiest port on the planet, Shanghai, and tie it to Shanghai Disneyland.

Or the one 7th busiest, and do a deal with SNCF, and tie Port of Barcelona with DLRP.

The point is, that these are assets that can be moved with COMPARABLE ease to prove a point.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I’ve been looking at Charleston, Savannah, NC - I just don’t see how those ports (and the surrounding areas) have anywhere near the infrastructure (interstates, airports, et let alone space and routes) to meaningfully siphon off any substantial business from the central to south Florida cruise operations. It really feels as fantastical as the notion of packing up the entirety of WDW and moving it to NC.

I'm surprised Georgia didn't get in on the cruise line game. The southern shore of GA is just 30 minutes from Jacksonville Airport and 5 minutes from I95.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Disney has lost a grand total of $0 due to “ideological protests”

…now crappy product in recent years?

Do some intellectual interrogation there on cause-and-effect.

The basic argument is "Strange World failed because political people didn't want to watch a movie with diverse characters." That's a lame argument.

The better argument is "Strange World failed because Strange World sucked. Strange World sucked because it was made by political people rather than competent storytellers."

The ideological people aren't in the audience, they're in the writers' room and the casting office and director's chair.

 

[Fordlover]

I’ve been looking at Charleston, Savannah, NC - I just don’t see how those ports (and the surrounding areas) have anywhere near the infrastructure (interstates, airports, et let alone space and routes) to meaningfully siphon off any substantial business from the central to south Florida cruise operations. It really feels as fantastical as the notion of packing up the entirety of WDW and moving it to NC.

Sadly the practicality of these suggestions isn't a prerequisite to them being mentioned. Much like threats of a jail or toll roads on Disney property, it is all just hot air to try to hurt those standing on the other side of the fight. DCL didn't accidently establish cruise terminals in Florida, it was done after careful evaluation$.

It is also worth mentioning much of the South is (or at least was) politically similar to Florida. So if Disney only wants to invest in solidly Blue states, that will pose some challenges.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

So if Disney only wants to invest in solidly Blue states, that will pose some challenges.

They don't, so it's irrelevant.

 

[lewisc]

I don’t think it’s a consideration. They’ve already been on the DVC conversion train for years.

Timing? Will GF and Riviera sellout before POLY starts to sell?

 

[GoofGoof]

I for one will not blame an entire state when the leader of that state that went off the rails.

Its normal and unfortunately human to want to blame and or label groups of people for the actions of the one in charge.

I would love to see how many voters actually would have voted for this mess.

I agree with this and have said so numerous times. Just because someone voted for DeSantis doesn’t mean they support this action. Many of his voters don’t support it even if they for sone reason feel compelled to continue to defend or justify his action. Someone posted earlier it’s heart over head. They know it’s not right but it’s their guy and the libs are piling on him so they feel compelled to look for a way to defend or justify it.

I can’t speak for anyone else but when I am using the term “the state“ it refers to the government similar to a lawsuit where the state is on one side. It doesn’t mean literally anyone in the state.

 

[GoofGoof]

No they can't. They aren't going to do 3 and 4 night cruises to the Bahamas consistently out of Charleston. Although they do sail out of San Juan from time to time, it is going to cut off huge segments of their customer base to shift there completely. They need the 3/4 night cruises to the Bahamas and the 7 night eastern Caribbean cruises. Those don't work consistently without Florida. As I said previously, Florida is essential due to location/proximity, infrastructure, skilled workers, customer base, customer expectations...

… or they cruise directly from the Caribbean. If there are enough cruises they can probably partner with an airline to increase cheap flights. Remember nobody is saying they should do this Now or are going to have to do it ever. The DCL discussion came from someone stating that Disney cannot leave the state so they just have to take whatever the State decides to do to them and the state won’t lose tax dollars. If the situation became hostile enough it’s absolutely possible for the company to move cruises out of FL.

 

[RamblinWreck]

Source: Blog Mickey

Does this even matter? Since there are two lawsuits on this issue. What is the point here?

EDIT: Disney can also add this to their lawsuit.

Adding more targeted legislation definitely bolsters Disney’s claims in federal court.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Adding more targeted legislation definitely bolsters Disney’s claims in federal court.

Yep! There's literally only 1 situation where this bill applies at the moment and the bill was only written and introduced in response to the discovery of the agreements between Disney and RCID that were "conducted in the shadows" of public meetings in accordance with FL laws. It's an indefensible position for the State, but that doesn't mean they won't try.