News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[el_super]

What if they ran a campaign in Florida to have Floridians reach out to their elected officials regarding the unfairness that is being foisted upon them by the governor and legislature?

I think it would play out to both sides as you would expect: pro-Disney side would love it and the anti-Disney side would see it as more meddling.

I had earlier said here, that I thought they could funnel more money into PACs to start influencing elections, but their hands may be more tied by the news coming out of Anaheim than I originally thought. They may seriously want to get out of politics as much as they can.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

They couldn't - and wouldn't - completely abandon FL ports, but if they could get an appealing deal at Port Charleston they could certainly start moving some of their older ships from FL to SC. They could also add more NYC to Canada sailings, have more Mexico sailings out of Texas, etc. Reducing does not mean eliminating.

Ok…

Realistically we’re spinning wheels here…

They would never pull the majority of DCL operations out of Florida…
And you can probably guess why?

Because it was designed to feed/Feed off of WDW.

That is less important that it was 20 years ago…but that doesn’t mean the synergy isn’t still in place.

 

[Disstevefan1]

If they lose the lawsuit the state will be attempting to damage their business any way they can.

Can we try not to blame an entire state for the actions of one person please.

Yes, it's one person's fault.

The buck stops at the leadership.

 

[Andrew C]

Yes, it's one person's fault.

Chapek?

 

[GoofGoof]

this is separate from the topic at hand...

Yes it mostly is and not sure what he could personally do at this point to help that situation, but I think the point is maybe he should focus on doing his actual job instead of winning at all costs. The result of his obsession with winning over the mouse is the very topic of this thread.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think it would play out to both sides as you would expect: pro-Disney side would love it and the anti-Disney side would see it as more meddling.

I had earlier said here, that I thought they could funnel more money into PACs to start influencing elections, but their hands may be more tied by the news coming out of Anaheim than I originally thought. They may seriously want to get out of politics as much as they can.

Disney being “in politics” has no bearing on the actions taken in Florida.

In the US companies are not only allowed to be in politics…they are encouraged.
And if they don’t…they are punished on Wall Street.

The Anaheim situation is a whole different set of issues. But it isn’t the “smoking gun” it’s gonna be spun as by anti Disney forces.

 

[Lilofan]

They should absolutely pay more. But the impact on the state's economy cannot be overstated.

I'd like to be paid more too. I'm not the only one but I'm positive with increased labor costs to the owners , the consumer will be paying more for it in the end.

 

[GoofGoof]

Can we try not to blame an entire state for the actions of one person please.

Yes, it's one person's fault.

The buck stops at the leadership.

When I say the state I mean the government not the people who live in the state individually. Until the legislature stands up and says no to DeSantis and his requests they are at fault too. The people of the state aren’t to blame.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Can we try not to blame an entire state for the actions of one person please.

Yes, it's one person's fault.

The buck stops at the leadership.

Disagree

I think it was the local/donor influence on the legislature that set this in motion…

And he made a disastrous political calculation that he could increase his stature and warchest by seizing on it…

All indications are the opposite happened.

But he doesn’t have the temperament to know to retreat. A hallmark of loser politicians.

 

[WDWHero]

Yes it mostly is and not sure what he could personally do at this point to help that situation, but I think the point is maybe he should focus on doing his actual job instead of winning at all costs. The result of his obsession with winning over the mouse is the very topic of this thread.

Yeah I edited my text to make it more relevant to this thread, because I do think its relevant to this whole fight and why everyone is so confused he's waging this war

 

[el_super]

The Anaheim situation is a whole different set of issues. But it isn’t the “smoking gun” it’s gonna be spun as by anti Disney forces.

Did Disney do anything illegal? Probably not. Did the people they interface with in Anaheim do anything illegal? Well they haven't been indicted yet.

But otherwise yeah, it's completely legal in this country for corporations to buy elections.

 

[peter11435]

this is separate from the topic at hand...

It’s the actual very real problem effecting Floridians that is largely being ignored by the governor and the legislature while they instead focus time and resources towards fighting a problem they created with Disney.

 

[mightynine]

But otherwise yeah, it's completely legal in this country for corporations to buy elections.

Funny, I've never gotten a check for my vote. Not even a lousy gift card! Do I need to update my address or something?

 

[lazyboy97o]

SB 1604 says it relates to development agreements in effect when it becomes law. But the District says it’s not in effect. It seems like the state is unwittingly setting a trap for the District. The District’s position is that the agreement is not in effect, so using the power conferred by this law would mean changing their position and saying it was in effect. Would they withdraw their complaint in victory unaware that they’ve added to Disney’s evidence in federal court?

And how dare the District file an 11th hour lawsuit while the state was considering legislation!!!

 

[JohnD]

SB 1604 says it relates to development agreements in effect when it becomes law. But the District says it’s not in effect. It seems like the state is unwittingly setting a trap for the District. The District’s position is that the agreement is not in effect, so using the power conferred by this law would mean changing their position and saying it was in effect. Would they withdraw their complaint in victory unaware that they’ve added to Disney’s evidence in federal court?

And how dare the District file an 11th hour lawsuit while the state was considering legislation!!!

SB 1604 passed the House 75 - 34. It goes back to the Senate for final passage.

 

[Andrew C]

It’s the actual very real problem effecting Floridians that is largely being ignored by the governor and the legislature while they instead focus time and resources towards fighting a problem they created with Disney.

I understand it is an issue...I also understand the desire to link every issue the state has back to this Disney topic with "well if he wasn't so busy doing so and so.." because it is fun to bash him at every opportunity.

 

[wdwmagic]

Anyone have any insight into how the district is actually operating day to day in the current climate? How are things like permits being handled and by who.

 

[mikejs78]

I guess in theory if someone made the right offer they could buy a parcel without any such agreements or restrictions. But I think that gets to the issue of standing, we’re talking about some future party who is impeded by the contract. Why does this limit the District and do so right now when there is no alternative comprehensive plan? I have a hard time not coming to the conclusion that the Board does have secret plans, that they thought they could take land and sell it off to other hotel developers. They’ve pretty much admitted as much with regards to affordable housing even though it is now allowed in most of the District.

I think lack of standing is a real issue for the board. I'm struggling to see what standing they even have to bring suit in regards to the development agreement.

 

[peter11435]

I understand it is an issue...I also understand the desire to link every issue the state has back to this Disney topic with "well if he wasn't so busy doing so and so.." because it is fun to bash him at every opportunity.

This is just one example. It’s a trend of ignoring real issues in favor of fighting and creating fake problems.

Also it has nothing to do with being too busy. If they wanted to they could absolutely fix this problem AND fight Disney. The truth is they don’t really care about fixing the real problems.

 

[Brian]

I understand it is an issue...I also understand the desire to link every issue the state has back to this topic with "well if he wasn't so busy doing so and so.." because it is fun to bash him at every opportunity.

I seem to recall quite a bit of bashing the governor recently, even calling him antisemitic, then, mere days later, he turns up in Israel to deliver an address to the Museum of Tolerance in Jerusalem, and met with the prime minister. While he was there, he signed a bill which makes it a felony for hate groups to harass people for their religion or ethnicity in Florida.