News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[Chi84]

For sure. I think we can all think up a lot of things they could do that would warrant an emergency injunction. It almost seems like the board isn’t even considering the situation. If I worked for the state and I was advising them I’d be telling them to lay low for now and don’t do anything that can be used against us in a court case…..instead they plow on with the same obvious and indefensible agenda while they need to go to court and attempt to portray that they have a legitimate purpose for doing this stuff. They either don’t care or they really are this dumb. Its a coin toss for me which one

Maybe someone can ask the half-a-lawyer at the next meeting.

 

[GoofGoof]

Some commentary on how long this could last:

DeSantis v. Disney: Who has the edge in a long, drawn-out fight?

In one corner, you have the third-largest state in America, with a gross domestic product of more than $1 trillion and a governor who likely has eyes on the White House. In the other, you have arguably the most powerful entertainment company of all time, a deep-pocketed entity whose economic...

www.yahoo.com

Stanton predicts a temporary stalemate while “it plays some tennis ball through the courts for the next year, year and a half.” Ultimately, the two sides are likely to settle. But if DeSantis runs for president, that may not happen for a while.

“If DeSantis wants this to exist until the primaries, he’s kind of in the driver’s seat on the state of Florida’s side on how long this goes,” Stanton said.

That said, in the long run, it’s hard to bet against Mickey.
“Disney has more to lose,” Stanton said, “than Florida has to gain.”

So this guy thinks DeSantis will try to play this out at least through the primaries since it’s the fight and not necessarily the outcome he wants and needs. I believe that is very possible. I also think the last line is 100% accurate.

 

[Lilofan]

I had a government class in 9th grade that was exclusively about civics. We covered it in American History 11th grade as well. Not to mention I’m an Eagle Scout and thus earned my Citizenship in the Nation Merit Badge. The lack of knowledge in this tread saddens me greatly.

I can barely remember what I did in my 20s and 30s much less what I actually studied what subjects in high school.

 

[lazyboy97o]

For sure. I think we can all think up a lot of things they could do that would warrant an emergency injunction. It almost seems like the board isn’t even considering the situation. If I worked for the state and I was advising them I’d be telling them to lay low for now and don’t do anything that can be used against us in a court case…..instead they plow on with the same obvious and indefensible agenda while they need to go to court and attempt to portray that they have a legitimate purpose for doing this stuff. They either don’t care or they really are this dumb. Its a coin toss for me which one

Enforcing the state’s fire and life safety codes is very defensible. That’s what makes it such a good vector for possible interference.

 

[Patcheslee]

our district doesn't use textbooks either. But the state standards of learning - what topics each grade level is expected to cover - is available on our state dept of education website. Your district may also have curriculum or pacing guides available on their website. (And if they don’t, you can FOIA them).

I'm aware, unfortunately Indiana isn't as straightforward with some of their standards when it comes to written standards vs layman terms at times.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Amendment filed today for SB1604 by someone in the Democratic partyView attachment 713473
Fixed the party

Lol, that’s funny. Never going to pass, but nonetheless hilarious.

 

[lazyboy97o]

The skyliner incident also proves the firefighters are willing to play dirty.

Could you elaborate? I don’t recall the incident to which you are referencing?

 

[Chi84]

Some commentary on how long this could last:

DeSantis v. Disney: Who has the edge in a long, drawn-out fight?

In one corner, you have the third-largest state in America, with a gross domestic product of more than $1 trillion and a governor who likely has eyes on the White House. In the other, you have arguably the most powerful entertainment company of all time, a deep-pocketed entity whose economic...

www.yahoo.com

Stanton predicts a temporary stalemate while “it plays some tennis ball through the courts for the next year, year and a half.” Ultimately, the two sides are likely to settle. But if DeSantis runs for president, that may not happen for a while.

“If DeSantis wants this to exist until the primaries, he’s kind of in the driver’s seat on the state of Florida’s side on how long this goes,” Stanton said.

That said, in the long run, it’s hard to bet against Mickey.
“Disney has more to lose,” Stanton said, “than Florida has to gain.”

So this guy thinks DeSantis will try to play this out at least through the primaries since it’s the fight and not necessarily the outcome he wants and needs. I believe that is very possible. I also think the last line is 100% accurate.

Either Disney Wins or Everyone Loses in Battle With DeSantis — TheStreet

The right-wing Florida Gov. has made Disney World's 'woke" policies a political talking point but a win over the Mouse House would be a major loss.

apple.news

 

[drnilescrane]

Could you elaborate? I don’t recall the incident to which you are referencing?

The month it opened, there was a vehicle collision in one of the stations. The Reedy Creek Fire Department insisted on doing a vehicular evacuation, which turned what should have been a 1 hour downtime at worst into a multi hour ordeal.

The skyliner has been a massive point of contention in the union negotiations, with the firefighters wanting extra manning and that additional boat to assist with evacs. They were proving a point that night.

 

[Touchdown]

I can barely remember what I did in my 20s and 30s much less what I actually studied what subjects in high school.

I particularly enjoyed the subject. I remember a lot more about those courses then others because they had debates.

 

[lazyboy97o]

The month it opened, there was a vehicle collision in one of the stations. The Reedy Creek Fire Department insisted on doing a vehicular evacuation, which turned what should have been a 1 hour downtime at worst into a multi hour ordeal.

The skyliner has been a massive point of contention in the union negotiations, with the firefighters wanting extra manning and that additional boat to assist with evacs. They were proving a point that night.

One has to wonder if the union regrets so quickly jumping in with the governor. The new board is obviously not in a hurry to give raises and buy equipment, choosing to use funds for other endeavors. Now there’s the prospect of injunctions and even Disney possibly prevailing.

 

[drnilescrane]

One has to wonder if the union regrets so quickly jumping in with the governor. The new board is obviously not in a hurry to give raises and buy equipment, choosing to use funds for other endeavors. Now there’s the prospect of injunctions and even Disney possibly prevailing.

Even if the board wanted to write a big generous check, the board ostensibly needs to run a balanced budget…. and is about to spend millions on crony lawyers. Oh well, that’s Disney’s fault - you’ll just have to suck it up RCFD.

 

[flynnibus]

The new board is obviously not in a hurry to give raises and buy equipment, choosing to use funds for other endeavors

One of the speakers at the last (?) meeting mentioned they basically have a new agreement being ratified by the members … so sounded eminent

 

[hopemax]

It can vary wildly by where you are in the country, although in general the content of textbooks nationwide is heavily influenced by the Texas Board of Education.

It can vary by school. DH grew up in a neighboring county and his history curriculum was way less complete than mine. This was 1989-1993, BTW. We had graduation requirements for WA history (freshman year), and Civics (senior year) and he had US history that went up to the sinking of the Lusitania. I had all of that, but our US history went up until current, thru Reagan. I also had Western Civilizations and Global History. Global History was things like the Troubles in the UK, Israel / Palestine, the Fall of the Iron Curtain and other things of that nature.

 

[mmascari]

The user has over 40 posts in this thread -nearly all on this very topic of consequence or not... at what point do we just acknowledge it's not an access to information issue?

We are 17,000+ posts in. There are several topics that are well settled. At this point, anyone using false talking points or misrepresenting how the District works isn’t a mistake or lack of knowledge. It’s purposeful justification to satisfy a point of view.

I’ve taken to just putting them all on ignore. I suspect it will make other threads better too. Opposing views are fine, debate is fine, disagreement is fine. That’s how we advance knowledge and experience. Someone blowing smoke with the same false statements from 1,000 posts ago is not serious and will not expand the conversation.

 

[Tha Realest]

The board members had to be landowners to serve. Each board member once selected by Disney was deeded a 5 acre plot of land in the district by a subsidiary of TWDC. That subsidiary had the option to buy the land back at any time. The landowners of the district would then vote to elect the board members but the vote was per acre owned not per person so Disney controlled the election of the board anyway. So there was no issue with unqualified board members.

I know it’s impossible to set aside all that’s happened the last few years, but this arrangement of deeding land to public officials who serve at the pleasure of their corporate master is troubling, and speaks to the problem many of us have as to this arrangement.

 

[mmascari]

but this arrangement of deeding land to public officials who serve at the pleasure of their corporate master is troubling, and speaks to the problem many of us have as to this arrangement.

Why?

Exactly which public are these officials governing that have no say?

“to public officials who serve at the pleasure of their constituents” would be just as accurate.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Why?

Exactly which public are these officials governing that have no say?

“to public officials who serve at the pleasure of their constituents” would be just as accurate.

It would be more worrisome in a situation where the corporation maintained control over a parcel of land that supported a robust population. Like if Disney had maintained a similar level of control over Celebration.

But that was never the case with Reedy Creek. It didn't allow Disney to act as feudal landlord over a large population of servile peasents, it simply allowed Disney to maintain municipal control over property with a negligible population that they own. Unless you think animatronics are real people...

 

[LAKid53]

I know it’s impossible to set aside all that’s happened the last few years, but this arrangement of deeding land to public officials who serve at the pleasure of their corporate master is troubling, and speaks to the problem many of us have as to this arrangement.

How many residents live within the District? 10, 15, 20?

Disney isn't the feudal master over a population of serfs numbering in the thousands.

 

[GoofGoof]

I know it’s impossible to set aside all that’s happened the last few years, but this arrangement of deeding land to public officials who serve at the pleasure of their corporate master is troubling, and speaks to the problem many of us have as to this arrangement.

It was designed that way from day 1. It was designed by the state to be that way intentionally. If you want to know why read the write-up in the below which has been posted here multiple times. Take the time to read if you are really interested. I suspect it is only troubling to you because people are telling you it’s troubling to justify their actions. If we are being honest it was not “troubling” to anyone until Disney spoke out against a bill. That’s what should be troubling to everyone.

https://ir.law.fsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1123&context=lr

Yeah but those boring things like taxes and property lines and statutes and stuff are probably more relevant than what you personally remember happening. This is the article. It’s informative and well-written.

https://ir.law.fsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1123&context=lr