News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[RamblinWreck]

I had a strange thought. When Walt Decided to build Disneyland everyone around him thought he was crazy and it would never work and would cost too much. Walt didn’t care what everyone thought or how much money it would cost. He had a vision.

Is history repeating itself? The modern Disney Company has a vision and as we see does not care how much it costs. TWDC is willing to lose hundreds of millions because they have a vision.

Is it so far fetched for the modern Disney company to do the impossible again and move Walt Disney World and change it’s name to Disney World?

It would be hard to fathom that the damage done to them in FL, regardless of how crazy the Governor and new board are, is so great as to make it even remotely worth considering something so extreme and so extremely expensive.

They’ve been building that place up for 50 years.

 

[drnilescrane]

Disney may be waiting for the outcome of the next Board meeting.

Nothing's going to happen at the May 1 meeting aside from some blowhard rhetoric.

As for the May 10 meeting, the CFTOD is engaging in the exact same type of PR/Messaging battle that Disney is. Their position is that Disney was operating outside the law, so they are passing essentially performative resolutions to that effect. They're going to have difficulty getting the RCID legacy staff to play ball with their game of using the bureaucracy as retaliation, at least until they get some more of their political appointees onboard.

 

[GoofGoof]

I had a strange thought. When Walt Decided to build Disneyland everyone around him thought he was crazy and it would never work and would cost too much. Walt didn’t care what everyone thought or how much money it would cost. He had a vision.

Is history repeating itself? The modern Disney Company has a vision and as we see does not care how much it costs. TWDC is willing to lose hundreds of millions because they have a vision.

Is it so far fetched for the modern Disney company to do the impossible again and move Walt Disney World and change it’s name to Disney World?

If they do this can they move IASW to EPCOT World Showcase where it belongs?

 

[Disone]

Disney’s lawsuit wording seems convoluted. “As punishment for ..free speech.” Just because one has right to free speech, doesn’t mean there isn’t consequences for free speech. One could put a sign in their yard saying something offensive, but that doesn’t protect him from the consequences of public opinion or fallout. If Disney is the only entity gifted the special privilege of self-government, how is taking away a privilege that no other entity has been granted a “punishment?” If the threat was taking away an amenity that all businesses and competitors were given, that might be deemed a punishment. But taking away a privilege is a reciprocal renegotiation of the relationship. It seems more like a case of ‘don’t look a gif horse in the mouth’?

My personal opinion at this point is that it’s silly retaliation, and a political stunt. Why not just sit down and work it out? I am generally anti-government and it looks like zealous over reach. However Disney’s “punishment” counter seems flimsy to me.

Once upon a time there was an inn keeper. The inn keeper has honorary guests, and he put cookies out on a silver platter for them every day. They were the only guests of the inn to get free VIP cookies. The guests would eat all the delicious cookies, however they felt morally compelled to spread word to the neighborhood that the inn was not sanitary. They guests even funded the local DeSanitary Club against unkept inns. So the inn keeper decided not to bake any more free cookies. The guests sued the inn keeper for retaliation for taking away their free cookies, and for punishing them for their First Amendment right to tell the public they have a dirty inn.

The End

You are not even paying attention are you?

 

[drnilescrane]

It would be hard to fathom that the damage done to them in FL, regardless of how crazy the Governor and new board are, is so great as to make it even remotely worth considering something so extreme and so extremely expensive.

They’ve been building that place up for 50 years.

It's a stupid cable news soundbite. No, Disney aren't going to move 50 years of infrastructure investment. They will however turn off the taps and wait it out - we've seen his this happen twice in Anaheim, and the city always comes around.

The PR play here is to make a big deal about how all the money they are spending on a new, improved DisneylandForward was money earmarked for WDW.

 

[LAKid53]

It would be hard to fathom that the damage done to them in FL, regardless of how crazy the Governor and new board are, is so great as to make it even remotely worth considering something so extreme and so extremely expensive.

They’ve been building that place up for 50 years.

Agree. Sports teams have threatened to pack up and move if the City doesn't fund a new stadium. The threat only works if the entity is capable of carrying it out without great financial cost.

 

[Lilofan]

I find the use of the word "magistrate" interesting. Magistrates are lay judges who can issues citations, hold hearings, determine fines, etc. In the UK.

In the US, magistrates are officers of the various courts who handle a variety of judicial proceedings, typically things like traffic court, etc. They are appointed by the court itself, i.e., judges.

There was a guy who I worked with from New England who spoke with a very thick NE accent. He told me he had legal troubles and had to go before the magistrate in MA . That's the first time I ever heard of the word.

 

[GoofGoof]

https://www.thestreet.com/travel/either-disney-wins-or-everyone-loses-in-battle-with-desantis?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO

Interesting take on the situation and something we have talked about some here. In summary the article concludes that either Disney wins or everyone loses.

So, DeSantis can accomplish a few things in his war with Disney.

• He could gain control over the former Reedy Creek District and make it harder for Disney to build things at Disney World. That doesn't seem like a win for the governor because nobody lives in the district aside from a handful of Disney executives. Making the Mouse House jump through hoops to get things done might be satisfying for DeSantis, but at best it's annoying for the company and at worst Disney decides to spend some of its budget at its other theme parks.
• DeSantis could harass Disney into spending less money in Florida and maybe could even talk some of his supporters nationwide out of visiting the park. Again, it's hard to see how DeSantis wins there because it's not as if those tourists will flock to other Florida locations.

It's hard to see what DeSantis gets out of his battle with Disney. If he wins, he hurts his state, maybe in a way meaningful enough that costs some of his supporters their jobs. If he loses, that's a political loss of face, which makes him look weak to his constituents, which in turn won't help his national political aspirations.

 

[flynnibus]

lilofan... king of ancedotia

 

[LittleBuford]

If they do this can they move IASW to EPCOT World Showcase where it belongs?

Several posters here think like you do, but I’ll never understand it. For me, it’s a small world is one of the foundational attractions of Fantasyland, and I would hate to see it relocated.

 

[Touchdown]

Ah yes The Dystopic Kingdom, where world peace is a fantasy and gas powered cars forever clogged in traffic is the world of tomorrow!

 

[Vacationeer]

It would be hard to fathom that the damage done to them in FL, regardless of how crazy the Governor and new board are, is so great as to make it even remotely worth considering something so extreme and so extremely expensive.

They’ve been building that place up for 50 years.

Yeah not sure it’s even possible to replicate, and I think 2 other reasons-

moving doesn’t protect from similar issues down the road

there is a synergy in Florida. Florida is attractive due to WDW, and WDW is attractive due to Florida. Personally we keep returning to FL 90% just for WDW, but I’m sure others like having so many great options to pair with WDW trips. Normally everyone wins and it’s likely the climate will settle back to that.

Disney celebrating 100 years. They’ve seen and weathered all sorts of things.

 

[DocAlan02]

I know this is essentially unrelated, but every time I see CFTOD, it somehow makes me think of CWOTD. If you are a Howard Stern fan, you might recognize that as the initials of Richard Christie's band, Charred Walls of the Damned.

Then again, maybe it's not so unrelated.

 

[Heath]

Consequences cannot and should not ever come from the government. Please read the first amendment

Correct, that’s not what I said, I’m aware of the first amendment. My comment was analyzing what is a consequence.

 

[Disstevefan1]

If they do this can they move IASW to EPCOT World Showcase where it belongs?

I like it. But why move it? Build another EPCOTy IASW attraction in EPCOT.

Why not? As we will have several Moana attractions in multiple parks.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Correct, that’s not what I said, I’m aware of the first amendment. My comment was analyzing what is a consequence.

It’s exactly what you said. You were talking about the legal complaint. That’s only about government imposed consequences that you tried to justify with the same tired “special privledges” exception you think should exist.

 

[Heath]

Then that’s not free speech.

Free speech is freedom of speech without government consequences.

You pulled one sentence out and didn’t apply it to the context of what I wrote. I know what the first amendment is. My point is free speech is complex. Obviously one can’t put a racist message on their garage door and not expect a consequence. There are consequences for all our actions. I specifically questioned whether the “consequences” of a privilege being changed versus a right taken away as being “punishment” in a legal argument.

 

[lazyboy97o]

You pulled one sentence out and didn’t apply it to the context of what I wrote. I know what the first amendment is. My point is free speech is complex. Obviously one can’t put a racist message on their garage door and not expect a consequence. There are consequences for all our actions. I specifically questioned whether the “consequences” of a privilege being changed versus a right taken away as being “punishment” in a legal argument.

Yes, someone shouldn’t expect government consequences for a racist message on their garage door.

If the intent is punishment, then something being a privilege doesn’t really matter. That you have to overstate the privilege is telling.

 

[Heath]

It’s exactly what you said. You were talking about the legal complaint. That’s only about government imposed consequences that you tried to justify with the same tired “special privledges” exception you think should exist.

No. I’m not trying to “justify” anything. I also didn’t state an opinion that I think something should or shouldn’t exist. I’m questioning how a court might view a unique privilege versus rights all businesses have. I stated my personal opinion that it seems like zealous over reach. I’m playing devils advocate and questioning the wording from a legal standpoint, which seems a little flimsy.

 

[Heath]

You are not even paying attention are you?

Don’t know what that means. Maybe not.