News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[flynnibus]

lilofan... king of ancedotia

 

[LittleBuford]

If they do this can they move IASW to EPCOT World Showcase where it belongs?

Several posters here think like you do, but I’ll never understand it. For me, it’s a small world is one of the foundational attractions of Fantasyland, and I would hate to see it relocated.

 

[Touchdown]

Ah yes The Dystopic Kingdom, where world peace is a fantasy and gas powered cars forever clogged in traffic is the world of tomorrow!

 

[Vacationeer]

It would be hard to fathom that the damage done to them in FL, regardless of how crazy the Governor and new board are, is so great as to make it even remotely worth considering something so extreme and so extremely expensive.

They’ve been building that place up for 50 years.

Yeah not sure it’s even possible to replicate, and I think 2 other reasons-

moving doesn’t protect from similar issues down the road

there is a synergy in Florida. Florida is attractive due to WDW, and WDW is attractive due to Florida. Personally we keep returning to FL 90% just for WDW, but I’m sure others like having so many great options to pair with WDW trips. Normally everyone wins and it’s likely the climate will settle back to that.

Disney celebrating 100 years. They’ve seen and weathered all sorts of things.

 

[DocAlan02]

I know this is essentially unrelated, but every time I see CFTOD, it somehow makes me think of CWOTD. If you are a Howard Stern fan, you might recognize that as the initials of Richard Christie's band, Charred Walls of the Damned.

Then again, maybe it's not so unrelated.

 

[Heath]

Consequences cannot and should not ever come from the government. Please read the first amendment

Correct, that’s not what I said, I’m aware of the first amendment. My comment was analyzing what is a consequence.

 

[Disstevefan1]

If they do this can they move IASW to EPCOT World Showcase where it belongs?

I like it. But why move it? Build another EPCOTy IASW attraction in EPCOT.

Why not? As we will have several Moana attractions in multiple parks.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Correct, that’s not what I said, I’m aware of the first amendment. My comment was analyzing what is a consequence.

It’s exactly what you said. You were talking about the legal complaint. That’s only about government imposed consequences that you tried to justify with the same tired “special privledges” exception you think should exist.

 

[Heath]

Then that’s not free speech.

Free speech is freedom of speech without government consequences.

You pulled one sentence out and didn’t apply it to the context of what I wrote. I know what the first amendment is. My point is free speech is complex. Obviously one can’t put a racist message on their garage door and not expect a consequence. There are consequences for all our actions. I specifically questioned whether the “consequences” of a privilege being changed versus a right taken away as being “punishment” in a legal argument.

 

[lazyboy97o]

You pulled one sentence out and didn’t apply it to the context of what I wrote. I know what the first amendment is. My point is free speech is complex. Obviously one can’t put a racist message on their garage door and not expect a consequence. There are consequences for all our actions. I specifically questioned whether the “consequences” of a privilege being changed versus a right taken away as being “punishment” in a legal argument.

Yes, someone shouldn’t expect government consequences for a racist message on their garage door.

If the intent is punishment, then something being a privilege doesn’t really matter. That you have to overstate the privilege is telling.

 

[Heath]

It’s exactly what you said. You were talking about the legal complaint. That’s only about government imposed consequences that you tried to justify with the same tired “special privledges” exception you think should exist.

No. I’m not trying to “justify” anything. I also didn’t state an opinion that I think something should or shouldn’t exist. I’m questioning how a court might view a unique privilege versus rights all businesses have. I stated my personal opinion that it seems like zealous over reach. I’m playing devils advocate and questioning the wording from a legal standpoint, which seems a little flimsy.

 

[Heath]

You are not even paying attention are you?

Don’t know what that means. Maybe not.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Don’t know what that means. Maybe not.

All of your “questions” have been answered, many times.

 

[Heath]

Your whole argument is flawed and demonstrates a lack of knowledge what the First Amendment is. There is ABSOLUTELY no GOVERNMENT consequences for exercising protected speech. Courts have repeatedly confirmed this. Courts have also said what is NOT protected speech.

That’s not what I said. I was questioning what is a consequence versus a privilege nobody else has. I.e I’d one takes away a unique privilege, is that a consequence? I wasn’t claiming a position. I see over reach but playing devils advocate. My assumption is everyone knows and agrees what the first amendment says.

 

[Heath]

All of your “questions” have been answered, many times.

If they were answered there wouldn’t be a court case with smart legal minds on different sides of the debate. But if your point is you know all the answers, then good job.

 

[peter11435]

That’s not what I said. I was questioning what is a consequence versus a privilege nobody else has. I.e I’d one takes away a unique privilege, is that a consequence? I wasn’t claiming a position. I see over reach but playing devils advocate. My assumption is everyone knows and agrees what the first amendment says.

RCID isn’t exactly unique in Florida. And the issue isn’t just taking it away. They have went beyond just dissolving RCID but instead taking over RCID and using it and other arms of the state government as weapons against Disney.

 

[Chi84]

If they were answered there wouldn’t be a court case with smart legal minds on different sides of the debate. But if your point is you know all the answers, then good job.

I don’t think that’s his point at all. This is a lengthy thread with tons of information and links to sources about what RCID is, why it was created, etc.

If you come in now and ask questions that show little understanding of what was discussed and hashed out earlier in the thread, it leads to starting all over again in terms of providing that information and the discussion ends up going in circles.

There’s no barrier to joining a thread late without reading all the previous posts, but the consequence is that someone may tell you that you’re missing information or misunderstanding something that’s been clarified earlier.

 

[LAKid53]

That’s not what I said. I was questioning what is a consequence versus a privilege nobody else has. I.e I’d one takes away a unique privilege, is that a consequence? I wasn’t claiming a position. I see over reach but playing devils advocate. My assumption is everyone knows and agrees what the first amendment says.

Disney’s lawsuit wording seems convoluted. “As punishment for ..free speech.” Just because one has right to free speech, doesn’t mean there isn’t consequences for free speech

You said it

 

[lazyboy97o]

If they were answered there wouldn’t be a court case with smart legal minds on different sides of the debate. But if your point is you know all the answers, then good job.

You already tried to peddle this “just asking questions” nonsense. It was the same thing of you defending the state and then denying it.

 

[mikejs78]

a unique privilege

As I said before, the premise of your question is wrong because this isn't a particularly unique privilege, but is in fact common in the state.